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Cold start or cold feet?

I am always surprised the ease with which both Indians and pakistanis refer to Nuke annihilation, Do you guys have any families, loved ones, pets, homes, friends or is everything diposable. A stupid piece of land for lives for billions, what logic!
 
Retarded kid, thats the point "one aircraft"? LMAO! Wars don't happen this way..

Also, PAF was never challenged by IAF. IAF stayed on THEIR side while PAF stayed on their side. Few locks from BOTH sides on each other..nothing unusual.

We all know who "ducked" after mumbai attacks....while PAF was deployed in the forward strike locations, was doing CAP operations new indian border, and was ready to go...indian airforce on the other hand was just talking and talking while their nation was literally begging for surgical strikes. Some iaf planes came in to..they were locked on, and "escorted" back to border lmao!

Adress the issue Numb Nut - Learn to Hold your Point when you start a discussion.
Rather than uttering Rubbish.

Moderator - Hope you are Observing this Character.
 
I fail to understand the logic behind all these type of articles- do they want India to attack Pakistan and possibly trigger a nuclear war? On one hand you have the Pakistanis saying Indians are cowards for not attacking, on the next hand you have Pakistanis saying diplomacy is the only way forward, on the next hand you say that India entering even 1 KM into Pakistani territory will result in a nuclear response- how can you win? The fact is the CSD was never said to be an official policy merely an OPTION on the table if ever needed. It is rather stupid if Pakistan has based its entire military response policy to a single, non-confirmed, Indian military policy. My guess would be that India has dozens of different military policies on the table all uniquely suited for a different response and different method.



The entire CSD news has been complelty blown out of proportion!
 
Problem solved..... Pakistani Nasr Missile has single handed killed all Indian Offensive doctrine. Now Indian Air or ground power has no idea of how to conduct itself in case of hostilities. Bravo!

koi shak??
 
koi shak??

yes , you dont know the objective of Cold start , in-fact non of you.

Objective of Cold Start : A small closed combat unit reach inside the Enemy Territory capture land and hold till , real large big group reached from back.

Senario :

A) India closed combat Armoured Unit moved inside PAK in large number,
B) Pak fired NASAR , it got 30% of direct hit as those Unit are highly mobile and armed with all Air defence and small in number also. 70% survive.
C) Pak fired NASAR , created nuclear contaminated area inside PAK, (Indian mobile units are capable of fighting in NBC environment.)
D) India has two option (Use Nuclear or use Tactical weapon)

First Option: (tactical nuclear)
1) depending on response (India uses Smearch and Prahhar missile) to launch large number of tactical nuclear weapon on every Pakistan military installation, be it Airfield , PAK coming large deployment or missile site , making area contaminated and unworkable.

Since most of airfield of PAk become contaminated and cannot work , large pak formation got bombed and PAK soldiers killed in large no.


2) Second Option: ( nuclear)

India launched full nuclear assault on PAkistan, launching 30-40 nuclear missile on all missile sites , airforce field , navy bases, PAK army formations.

This will make 70% of PAK land contaminated

Pak Launched remaining 50 nuclear missiles, 20-25 get intercepted by S400 and 25 fall on indian cities, causing havoc,

India launched another set of Nuclear missiles 40 making wiping out entire Pak, making all Pakistan contaminated with nuclear radio fall....
 
A war with Pakistan is plain stupidity right now as it will unite Pakistani people. Just fuel the Shia-Sunni and Baloch problems.
 
Forget Cold Start, just light fire in this Cold, roast a chicken and watch Pakistan on self-destruct mode.

India should use its Economy and Soft power as a weapon. Nothing more than that. Keep Pakistan on toes at their eastern front and let the internal turmoil put backbone breaking strain on Pakistan's economy and institutions.

No need to fire a bullet. Just focus on economy and blocking trade deals with other nations and loan approvals from various organizations. Do International diplomacy to the best. Make their neighbors and allies, a very good allies of ours.

Use our media and reach in the world to create a favorable image regarding India vis a vis Pakistan. We have all the raw material, Mumbai attack, OBL presence in Pakistan and recent surge in terrorism in Pakistan. Just get world's people to pick India when they have choice to pick India or Pakistan.

This Cold Measures are way better than Cold Start and will push Pakistan to Cold state.
 
yes , you dont know the objective of Cold start , in-fact non of you.

Objective of Cold Start : A small closed combat unit reach inside the Enemy Territory capture land and hold till , real large big group reached from back.

Senario :

A) India closed combat Armoured Unit moved inside PAK in large number,
B) Pak fired NASAR , it got 30% of direct hit as those Unit are highly mobile and armed with all Air defence and small in number also. 70% survive.
C) Pak fired NASAR , created nuclear contaminated area inside PAK, (Indian mobile units are capable of fighting in NBC environment.)
D) India has two option (Use Nuclear or use Tactical weapon)

First Option: (tactical nuclear)
1) depending on response (India uses Smearch and Prahhar missile) to launch large number of tactical nuclear weapon on every Pakistan military installation, be it Airfield , PAK coming large deployment or missile site , making area contaminated and unworkable.

Since most of airfield of PAk become contaminated and cannot work , large pak formation got bombed and PAK soldiers killed in large no.


2) Second Option: ( nuclear)

India launched full nuclear assault on PAkistan, launching 30-40 nuclear missile on all missile sites , airforce field , navy bases, PAK army formations.

This will make 70% of PAK land contaminated

Pak Launched remaining 50 nuclear missiles, 20-25 get intercepted by S400 and 25 fall on indian cities, causing havoc,

India launched another set of Nuclear missiles 40 making wiping out entire Pak, making all Pakistan contaminated with nuclear radio fall....

Your first assumption, that Pakistan will use the Nuclear option adventurously and for cold start doctrine, is flawed. And so is your assumption that any Nuclear response from Pakistan would be anything but complete annihilation of India.

P.S. What S400 systems are operational in India???
 
You know the most funy thing about this discussion. As one pakistani member pointed out. The REAL LOSER will be India.

Pakistan may cease to exist but the real loser will be India. Even the most die hard lunatics will find this logic beyond them.. except some pakistanis. This false bravado and suicide mentality will only go so far in a real war.

As for Nasr, this is a game changer only if Indian military planners play ball. Because once a nuclear weapon has been fired, and authorization is given from here for an all out strike, as per our stated doctrine, you are toast. Simply because, even after you firing the first weapon, we will have the first strike opportunity for all practical purposes with our mainland secure. We will begin the rebuilding process soon after. You wont.
And the real loser is India. Nice.

Honestly, Nasr puts Pakistan more at risk than anything till now. If you gotta go nuclear. You go all the way. Its not a half hearted, half baked road to go on. Pakistan these days is nothing more than a boy preparing to wear a suicide vest. I hope there are atleast some people on your side with their heads at right places.

And frankly I am quite sure, some one from your side has taken this scenario into account. Its too obvious to be ignored.
 
Objective of Cold Start : A small closed combat unit reach inside the Enemy Territory capture land and hold till , real large big group reached from back.

fine objective but the problem is, india is incapable of moving larger units quick enough to relieve the small, behind enemy line, units, we have been shown several times how long it takes for India to fully mobilize and move to the front lines. by then those infiltrators would have been eliminated. and we'll be back to normal plans.

Senario :

A) India closed combat Armoured Unit moved inside PAK in large number,
B) Pak fired NASAR , it got 30% of direct hit as those Unit are highly mobile and armed with all Air defence and small in number also. 70% survive.
C) Pak fired NASAR , created nuclear contaminated area inside PAK, (Indian mobile units are capable of fighting in NBC environment.)
D) India has two option (Use Nuclear or use Tactical weapon)

First Option: (tactical nuclear)
1) depending on response (India uses Smearch and Prahhar missile) to launch large number of tactical nuclear weapon on every Pakistan military installation, be it Airfield , PAK coming large deployment or missile site , making area contaminated and unworkable.

Since most of airfield of PAk become contaminated and cannot work , large pak formation got bombed and PAK soldiers killed in large no.


2) Second Option: ( nuclear)

India launched full nuclear assault on PAkistan, launching 30-40 nuclear missile on all missile sites , airforce field , navy bases, PAK army formations.

This will make 70% of PAK land contaminated

Pak Launched remaining 50 nuclear missiles, 20-25 get intercepted by S400 and 25 fall on indian cities, causing havoc,

India launched another set of Nuclear missiles 40 making wiping out entire Pak, making all Pakistan contaminated with nuclear radio fall....

pakistan launches a nuke in their own territory and india is suppose to retaliate by nuking all of pakistan?? yea that's gonna go over real well with the rest of the world, even if the war was provoked by pakistan, any goodwill towards india will instantly evaporate the moment india decides to hit pakistan with nukes.. and your assuming that all of the indian nukes hits while India achieves a 50% intercept success rating. i have my doubts about that. even if true, 25 indian cities in flames will basically be the end of india as a power of any significance for the next several hundred years. and we've yet to go into what the outside powers might do,
 
fine objective but the problem is, india is incapable of moving larger units quick enough to relieve the small, behind enemy line, units, we have been shown several times how long it takes for India to fully mobilize and move to the front lines. by then those infiltrators would have been eliminated. and we'll be back to normal plans.



pakistan launches a nuke in their own territory and india is suppose to retaliate by nuking all of pakistan?? yea that's gonna go over real well with the rest of the world, even if the war was provoked by pakistan, any goodwill towards india will instantly evaporate the moment india decides to hit pakistan with nukes.. and your assuming that all of the indian nukes hits while India achieves a 50% intercept success rating. i have my doubts about that. even if true, 25 indian cities in flames will basically be the end of india as a power of any significance for the next several hundred years. and we've yet to go into what the outside powers might do,

On What Basis ??

IAF Strategic AIRLIFT capability - Largest in Asia (112 AN 32, 25 IL76, 60 Avros, 40+ Dorniers)
IL/An`s have been modified for Carpet Bombing that could include TNB

Dont quote 2002, since then whole Orbat has been revised.
Structures and Tpt corridors have been modified for Border AREAS to Pakistan.

Nukes - Hate taking on them, but if you insist.
IAF has Mirage/Jags in Strat Nuc-Delivery Role.
Navy has deployed Club in Nuke Role in Kilos

There is ample Material to Give Second STRIKE ONCE our Battle formats are hit to Give a Decision response. We are not weak, as we were in 62 when your nation fought with an Army of 1.2 Million against ours 80 Thousand

Please Please BE Sane!! Let some Sanity Prevail
 
yes , you dont know the objective of Cold start , in-fact non of you.

Objective of Cold Start : A small closed combat unit reach inside the Enemy Territory capture land and hold till , real large big group reached from back.

Senario :

A) India closed combat Armoured Unit moved inside PAK in large number,
B) Pak fired NASAR , it got 30% of direct hit as those Unit are highly mobile and armed with all Air defence and small in number also. 70% survive.
C) Pak fired NASAR , created nuclear contaminated area inside PAK, (Indian mobile units are capable of fighting in NBC environment.)
D) India has two option (Use Nuclear or use Tactical weapon)

First Option: (tactical nuclear)
1) depending on response (India uses Smearch and Prahhar missile) to launch large number of tactical nuclear weapon on every Pakistan military installation, be it Airfield , PAK coming large deployment or missile site , making area contaminated and unworkable.


Since most of airfield of PAk become contaminated and cannot work , large pak formation got bombed and PAK soldiers killed in large no.


2) Second Option: ( nuclear)

India launched full nuclear assault on PAkistan, launching 30-40 nuclear missile on all missile sites , airforce field , navy bases, PAK army formations.

This will make 70% of PAK land contaminated

Pak Launched remaining 50 nuclear missiles, 20-25 get intercepted by S400 and 25 fall on indian cities, causing havoc,

India launched another set of Nuclear missiles 40 making wiping out entire Pak, making all Pakistan contaminated with nuclear radio fall....

up till the bolded part i have just read yr analysis n can c u r using a ''wrong corner to build yr empire''

This cold start generally is for occupying Pakistan in small steps one at a time so that nuclear threshold should remain checked.The purpose of CSD is to pressurize us to accept yr say in the international forums and ''peace talks''.

what u r saying is telling me how u will do it by capturing n holding etc.

so Pak's making of tactical nuclear devices will help in stopping u invade our homeland.

How??

Well the mobilization of the armed forces will be key. As we all saw in the 2010 Azm e Nau how fast our armed forces can mobilize so yr border infiltration from a small force(if u can do give the high mobility of Pak Army) and the holding the posts until reinforcements arrive.

Now for that u will need to mobilize the large numbers of yr armed forces in a particular front in the border area and remember that the biggest thread of CSD is in the deserts of Sindh. not in punjab or Azad Kashmir.

Now when pak army will see u guys mobilizing in larger numbers in a specific front on borders then it will also mobilize in that front in the large numbers too. further more in azm e nau 2010 the pak army had shown the world that if can swiftly mobilize n can cover entire borders with India hours before the indian army arrives.

So this gives us a better chance to avoid the surprise element of CSD which is a key for the indian army here.
U can always do better when yr prepared for something n the history also shows that n it says that forces who r in the prepared form had a better chance to defend then whose who were caught in surprise(the very key purpose from indian attack's success in this CDS).

So Pak army will mobilize in borders in a hot environment much before the indian army.
And in a recent High Mark exercises where our AF also took part also showed what PAF will do in such scenario so dont count much on yr AF too.

Well there is a reason why yr armed forces couldnt attack us in 2008 n a wikileaks report showed that yr army wanted to attack but couldnt because of yr mammoth army's Susti:lol: against pak army.
and there is rumor about yr army also building a tactical missile which will have a 200kg(nasr has less then a kilo) warhead n 120km range (nasr has just 60km):rofl:

more over Pak will launch this missile if everything fails like mentioned above as a plan C or D.
thats because pak armed forces believe to be prepared for every possibility.Its not like we will welcome our guests will nuclear missile instead of bullets first.

Regarding NBC :lol: now a days every country's armed forces have gear n dont count too much on it as its only for show off it really cant completely save yr soldiers. Actually its a 70-90 chance of the armed forces to completely vanish in such NBC scenario even if the r wearing protective kit too.

The actual purpose of this missile is to half yr armed forces advance over pak to give our armed forces a better time to prepare or regather if yr armed forces succeeded in a surprise attack on Pak then we can use a missile from just 60km away with just a less then a kilo warhead to haul yr advance. And as it will be launched with in Pakistan on the enemy forces who will also be inside our country so yr saying of nuke retaliation doesnt contain any wait as all the countries have signed some pacts in international forum about how a war will be fought as it clearly doesnt cross the nuclear threshold.This maybe one of reasons why we c yr country so frustrated about Pakistan's first use nuke policy n this tactical nuke issue.

so when we say that yr CSD is failed so it means We have came up with better plans by analysis every possibility n having a subsequent counter tactics/strategy so that covers everything.And yr Armed forces know that very well too!!!!.

So yr dreams of a Akhand Bharat will always remain so n we Pakistanis will make shore that it remains so!!!!!

Now run away SHHHHHHHUSSHHHH!!!!!
 
Dont care if it is COLD START or HOT START or even just START by India. But when it does start, it will be us who is going to FINISH it.

P.S. Ofcourse, unless you guys use Sunny Deol, Ajay Devgan and Sanjay Dutt. Then the whole parameters will change. Pakistan does not have an answer to those dangerous weapons in India's arsenal. Pakistan will be in big trouble. OOPs! I should not have written this. It might give them an idea.
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Best strategy to blunt whatever Pak missiles is the Indian economy. More Pakistanis have been killed in Pakistan by terrorists than by Indian armed forces. Indian forces fight in a battlefield with the Pak forces. Militants have turned Pak in to a battlefield. Let Pakistan keep waving the 'Jihad' flag and the 'Kashmir' flag and 'Honour' flag and the whatever crap flag they want to fly. The only flag not flown is the development flag. What nobody realises is that Pak has already been nuked economically and socially unless you want to believe the resident PDF Pakistani super-economist RiazHaq.

RAW/Mossad/CIA is working together according to so many posters to de-stabilise Pakistan. Who cares anymore yaar. Why should we even think of going to war, when they are doing a great job of hara-kiri.

And yea, Indian media is already nuking with our 'socially corrupt' Indian soaps and news and Indian culture. Its like the frog in the water getting heated. You are waiting and preparing to be cut, while the water is going to kill you without realising it.
 
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