Chinese Foreign Affairs News & Discussions

[paritosh]

Democracy is a perfect system in theory. I don't deny it
But if put into practise,
we must consider a lots of factors.
such as population quantity and quality, educational level,
economic level and culture etc.

Chinese goverment in very cautious ,
because we have mad lots mistakes in history

and i feel that...somewhere down the line...the chinese would embrace democracy....when they'd have a good sustainable growth rate...
the biggest achievement of the chinese system imo hasnt been the growth rate or the economy but the clipping down of the population growth rate..which we through our democratic means haven't been able to do...

 

[jetLi]

and i feel that...somewhere down the line...the chinese would embrace democracy....when they'd have a good sustainable growth rate...
the biggest achievement of the chinese system imo hasnt been the growth rate or the economy but the clipping down of the population growth rate..which we through our democratic means haven't been able to do...

since we learn Marxism and Leninism , We have mad lots of Dogmatism mistakes. So before We learn any thing, we must thing that whether it is
true for us. so do democracy.

In my oppinion, freedom and human rights is not boundless, it must make sure
that anyone can't damage the collective interest

 

[Proud2Indian]

i never said that we dont have our privileges...tell me how many times have you cursed the system when the likes of raj thackeray or modi or sri ram sene...or vhp or simi are allowed to spread hate...?
whether you like it or not...india is still a nation of village dwellers and they can be moved easily...to form the righteous opinion you have to be educated...and democracy works on the opinion of the largest homogeneous group...so that way..we all would be burning hay in the middle of the chowk to rid the area of mosquitos...or something like that.
dude...democracy is obviously the best and most modern system...but nothing works the way it is intended to...to comfort you...i agree with your observations...but i have a point.

No sire...I never hated system...atleast not for the reason mentioned by you....Biggest culprit in ur list is Modi and he is still batelling in Courts(And even he has done wonders in gujrat this system will not allow him to come to centre)....and this system make sure that even BJP came to power ...they were not able to implement their "Hindu agenda".....

For villagers...theygave power to BJP for 6 yrs and then they gave it back to Congress....no sir .... I Have heard this argument before that educated socitey is required for democracy to work...no democracy required active society to work.....in our cities where literacy rate is high Manmohan sir lost his election (From south Delhi)....This sytem has given us tool like RTI which help us in improving the system....but if you check this is used more by the people living in the villages than literated city dwellers....

tx

 

[Super Falcon]

i dont see relations will change between india and chine i think attitude of india and attitude of indian poltics in internationally have to be change than some how relations can be improved between the two huge horse powers of millitary in the world

 

[ever4244]

Well any sort of restriction on free thinking is a hinderence to the longterm survivial of a country. As i have mentioned in some other posts. I heard a documentry of a hongkong media mogul who once said that,what china lacks is a strong moral ground, their entire life is build and revolves around economy and if that fails.. they dont have nothing to go back too..!!!! It think i mentioned it in this thread itself..!!! Could any of my chinese friends give their opinion on the above statement..!!!!

If you have ever read the european history about the religious reform```````````

Sometimes it is better to burn a few 'infidel' on the stakes than have the whole nation fight a bloody religious civil war. Even your british queen was not entirely merciful on this matter.

The free thinking in academic area is good, but the free advocating in public is not always tolerable. Free advocating may tear many hundreds society apart and trigger many thousands of war, history proved this time and time again

There is taboos in any kind kind of society, whether democratic or authoritarian. -- If you don t believe, please try crying loudly on the street of Berlin: 'Hail, Nazi'. The difference is the later use gun to defend the taboo while the former use $ in massmedia to brainwash public away from it. Thus, the word 'socialism' in US became a curse, while the word democracy in china became paradoxical in its meaning.

 

[ever4244]

Well any sort of restriction on free thinking is a hinderence to the longterm survivial of a country. As i have mentioned in some other posts. I heard a documentry of a hongkong media mogul who once said that,what china lacks is a strong moral ground, their entire life is build and revolves around economy and if that fails.. they dont have nothing to go back too..!!!! It think i mentioned it in this thread itself..!!! Could any of my chinese friends give their opinion on the above statement..!!!!

For one thing: have you ever thought about a question?

why all the early civilization is in a miserable state (China and india may recollect themselves a bit, but are still far from reclaiming their former glory)

why the new-rich like US , those Gothic barbarians(germany), those Vingin pirates(Northern europeans) live such a civilized and wealthy lives?

Every civilization has its peak and valley so does every culture and moral.

You indias are extremely love to braging about 'rich history', 'colourful culture'

but you never realize that it is you 'rich history and colourful culture' prevent you from advancing further. As an old trunk, your culure has already rotten in the core and do not fit in the industrializtion era, let along information age.

You talk about chinese lose value and moral.

Yes, we lose it because we choose it, we systematic destory our old culture and value and we have also succesfully root it out from the rural area.

we destory it because it hinder our development, restrict our freedom, undermine our equality. Old culture was like an organ with cancer, you cant just cut the cancer out without harming the healthy tissue. So the great politician, scientist,artistest, social activist in china conduct this huge social operation from Qing to ROK to PRC and finally make china a uniformed, secular, modern national state with enlightened idea and material mindset.

And we choose to restore chinese culture and value now , but only to the best part, moded to fit today's world.

Some hunter say: when traped , the king of wolfs is the one who bites his own leg off to get free.

You indian are too soft-hearted to yourself and your culture, so your can never become the wolf king.

 

[indiatech]

For one thing: have you ever thought about a question?

why all the early civilization is in a miserable state (China and india may recollect themselves a bit, but are still far from reclaiming their former glory)

why the new-rich like US , those Gothic barbarians(germany), those Vingin pirates(Northern europeans) live such a civilized and wealthy lives?

Every civilization has its peak and valley so does every culture and moral.

You indias are extremely love to braging about 'rich history', 'colourful culture'

but you never realize that it is you 'rich history and colourful culture' prevent you from advancing further. As an old trunk, your culure has already rotten in the core and do not fit in the industrializtion era, let along information age.

You talk about chinese lose value and moral.

Yes, we lose it because we choose it, we systematic destory our old culture and value and we have also succesfully root it out from the rural area.

we destory it because it hinder our development, restrict our freedom, undermine our equality. Old culture was like an organ with cancer, you cant just cut the cancer out without harming the healthy tissue. So the great politician, scientist,artistest, social activist in china conduct this huge social operation from Qing to ROK to PRC and finally make china a uniformed, secular, modern national state with enlightened idea and material mindset.

And we choose to restore chinese culture and value now , but only to the best part, moded to fit today's world.

Some hunter say: when traped , the king of wolfs is the one who bites his own leg off to get free.

You indian are too soft-hearted to yourself and your culture, so your can never become the wolf king.

to say that indian culture is rotten and all these bullshit shows how narrow ur thinking is. Our religions and culture are very deep rooted and colourful to deep inside the souls. You may not understand or appreciate it if you never tried . At least don't say bad.

We don't want to be the wolf king. but let me remind you most chinese seems to now have the feeling of "we are the world".

In india we have a saying, whatever goes up also comes down. May be the force of gravity or something else.

 

[DeathInvader]

yes ,you are right, your greedy for other countries' land will lead you pitty end

???????.............i don't really understand........it was china who invaded India for Tibet which was a part of India.......it is Pakistan who has eyed Kashmir since 1947.........and tried to capture it 3 times since then ........and u r telling greed for other countries land will lead us to pity end.......ridiculous............

for your kind information India has never Invaded any country in 10000 yrs because we believe in freedom and we never threaten others freedom.......

in 1971 war...Indian army captured a huge part of Pakistan but returned it as a gesture of goodwill..........!

has china or Pakistan ever done it.........


Moreover U still eye on Arunachal Pradesh and claim it ur territory..........inspite Arunachal Pradesh recognized as a constitutional state in India.............


I still think China as full moon and India as crescent moon........... but in the end
A full moon always becomes a crescent one and vice-versa........

coming back to the topic .......India and china are reported to ave a annual trade of $100 billion.....i don't think going on a war will benefit both of them....

 

[jetLi]

it was china who invaded India for Tibet which was a part of India.

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ridiculus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

British invade in Tibet in the end of 19 century. China had never admit it.

so the south tibet belong to china is undebutable!!!

You Indian Brain are joking

 

[taiji]

Lots of flames here. Back to topic, China and India don't have to become enemies. Border issue is not unsolvable, since when PRC founded in 1949, China had land border disputes with almost every neighbour, now only China-India border issue remains unsolved. I believe with growing business and more openess to each other, the two nation can learn to respect and appreciate to each other.

 

[Gabbar]

This thread has been derailed and there is lot of off topic bs going on here.
Guys/Gals please stick to the topic. If want to discuss something else, please open new thread.

 

[Gabbar]

If you take 1962 out of the equation and I dont think there is much left other then border issue between India and China. I see these two asian giants making lots of progress in future and there is nothing wrong with being prepared for the worst.

 

[DarkStar]

Any more off topic will not be tolerated. Lets not make this a slanging match.

Discuss issues with civility, and knowledge. Otherwise, desist.

 

[UTONY]

To my Chinese friends on this forum, please dont fall in the trap of Indian members. They will try to get you angry so they can get you banned..its their plan they have done it with other members and moderators of this forum say they are nationality blind.

 

[Aeneas]

How will you differentiate between Hidding truth and telling lies...
Also democracy allows us to listen who ever we like to hear and make judgement our self...You are not allowed even to hear the counter view and thats the real difference...


tx

yes,but people always trend to focus on sensational news,even it is not true.that is the bad part of humanity.