China Pulls Ahead of U.S. in Latest TOP500 List

[j20blackdragon]

China Pulls Ahead of U.S. in Latest TOP500 List

TOP500 News Team | November 13, 2017

The fiftieth TOP500 list of the fastest supercomputers in the world has China overtaking the US in the total number of ranked systems by a margin of 202 to 143. It is the largest number of supercomputers China has ever claimed on the TOP500 ranking, with the US presence shrinking to its lowest level since the list’s inception 25 years ago.

Just six months ago, the US led with 169 systems, with China coming in at 160. Despite the reversal of fortunes, the 144 systems claimed by the US gives them a solid second place finish, with Japan in third place with 35, followed by Germany with 20, France with 18, and the UK with 15.

China has also overtaken the US in aggregate performance as well. The Asian superpower now claims 35.4 percent of the TOP500 flops, with the US in second place with 29.6 percent.

The top 10 systems remain largely unchanged since the June 2017 list, with a couple of notable exceptions.

Sunway TaihuLight, a system developed by China’s National Research Center of Parallel Computer Engineering & Technology (NRCPC), and installed at the National Supercomputing Center in Wuxi, maintains its number one ranking for the fourth time, with a High Performance Linpack (HPL) mark of 93.01 petaflops.

https://www.top500.org/news/china-pulls-ahead-of-us-in-latest-top500-list/

 

[F-22Raptor]

I want to thank China for having full confidence in American technology. 99% of China's supercomputer are running on Intel processors and/or Nvidia accelerators.

Also enjoy your time at the top while it lasts, as current predictions have the Summit and Sierra supercomputers taking the top 2 spots by next June. Both are under construction now.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Congratulations to China.

 

[F-22Raptor]

Based on these metrics, undoubtedly some publications will proclaim China’s supercomputing supremacy, but that would be premature. When China expanded its Top500 toehold by a factor of three at SC15, Intersect360 Research CEO Addison Snell remarked that it wasn’t so much that China discovered supercomputing as it discovered the Top500 list. This observation continues to hold water.

An examination of the new systems China is adding to the list indicates concerted efforts by Chinese vendors Inspur, Lenovo, Sugon and more recently Huawei to benchmark loosely coupled Web/cloud systems, which are not true HPC machines. To wit, 68 out of the 96 systems that China introduced onto the latest list utilize 10G networking and none are deployed at research sites. The benchmarking of Internet and telecom systems for Top500 glory is not new. You can see similar fingerprints on the list (current and historical) from HPE and IBM, but China has doubled down. For comparison’s sake, the US put 19 new systems on the list and eight of those rely on 10G networking.

Not only has the Linpacking of non-HPC systems inflated China’s list presence, it’s changed the networking demographics as the number of Ethernet-based machines climbs steadily. As the Top500 authors note, Gigabit Ethernet now connects 228 systems with 204 systems using 10G interfaces. InfiniBand technology is now found on 163 systems, down from 178 systems six months ago, and is the second most-used internal system interconnect technology.

Snell provided additional perspective: “What we’re seeing is a concerted effort to list systems in China, particularly from China-based system vendors. The submission rules allow for what is essentially benchmarking by proxy. If Linpack is run and verified on one system, the result can be assumed for other systems of the same (or greater) configuration, so it’s possible to put together concerted efforts to list more systems, whether out of a desire to show apparent market share, or simply for national pride.”

Discussions of list purity and benchmarking by proxy aside, the High Performance Linpack or any one-dimensional metric has limited usefulness across today’s broad mix of HPC applications. This truth, well understood in HPC circles, is not always appreciated outside the community or among government stakeholders who want “something to show” for public investment.

“Actual system effectiveness is getting more difficult to compare, as the industry swings back toward specialized hardware,” Snell commented. “Just because one architecture outperforms another on one benchmark doesn’t make it the best choice for all workloads. This is particularly challenging for mixed-workload research environments trying to serve multiple domains. 88 percent of all HPC users say they will need to support multiple architectures for the next few years, running applications on the most appropriate systems for their requirements.”

https://www.hpcwire.com/2017/11/13/flipping-flops-reading-top500-tea-leaves/

Further perspective:


In the November 2017 rankings, much will be made of China finally surpassing the United States as the dominant nation represented on the list. Inasmuch as this might spur a rapid response for investment in supercomputing in the United States, we suppose this is a good thing, but it is utterly ridiculous to suggest for even a nanosecond that the United States has less computing power than China. With millions of servers each, Google, Facebook, Microsoft, and Amazon could, if they felt like it, carve their entire server fleets up into 10,000-node instances and run Linpack on them and easily aggregate into them into something on the order of 2,500 exaflops to maybe 3,000 exaflops of double precision oomph. (We are not even counting the GPU that these companies have, which might be a few exaflops more.) We can carve the hyperscalers into machines that have 15,000 nodes each, and they will be rated at around 15 petaflops running Linpack. So anything that is not in the top six on the current November ranking would be slid off the list. And there would be another 532 machines in a row from Google, Amazon, Microsoft, and Facebook behind them, knocking every other machine off the current Top 500. And every week, collectively they can add one or two more of these clusters. Plunk. Plunk. Plunk. . . .

https://www.nextplatform.com/2017/1...kings-losing-accuracy-despite-high-precision/

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

Summit and Sierra

Aren't they supposed to be out like six months ago?? What seem to be causing the delay? @C130

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/nvid...wer-300-peta-flop-supercomputers-2017.406303/

 

[F-22Raptor]

Aren't they supposed to be out like six months ago?? What seem to be causing the delay? @C130

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/nvid...wer-300-peta-flop-supercomputers-2017.406303/

Both are under construction now, and are expected to reach the top 2 spots on next June's list unless another country comes out with a surprise supercomputer.

 

[GS Zhou]

China overtaking the US in the total number of ranked systems by a margin of 202 to 143.

the overtake of China is quite understandable. More than half of China's supercomputer are now employed by the Internet or Telecom service providers. China as world largest market of internet service/e-commerce/online payment, etc., we need to be well-equipped to guarantee the efficiency and security of the whole system.

 

[Menthol]

It's no wonder that China will dominate top 500, as China is emerging country, need a lot of supercomputer. And all of them are built using newest technology.

While USA all the need already being fulfilled, even old supercomputer is capable enough. There's no need for replacement.

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

China Pulls Ahead of U.S. in Latest TOP500 List

TOP500 News Team | November 13, 2017

The fiftieth TOP500 list of the fastest supercomputers in the world has China overtaking the US in the total number of ranked systems by a margin of 202 to 143. It is the largest number of supercomputers China has ever claimed on the TOP500 ranking, with the US presence shrinking to its lowest level since the list’s inception 25 years ago.

Just six months ago, the US led with 169 systems, with China coming in at 160. Despite the reversal of fortunes, the 144 systems claimed by the US gives them a solid second place finish, with Japan in third place with 35, followed by Germany with 20, France with 18, and the UK with 15.

China has also overtaken the US in aggregate performance as well. The Asian superpower now claims 35.4 percent of the TOP500 flops, with the US in second place with 29.6 percent.

The top 10 systems remain largely unchanged since the June 2017 list, with a couple of notable exceptions.

Sunway TaihuLight, a system developed by China’s National Research Center of Parallel Computer Engineering & Technology (NRCPC), and installed at the National Supercomputing Center in Wuxi, maintains its number one ranking for the fourth time, with a High Performance Linpack (HPL) mark of 93.01 petaflops.

https://www.top500.org/news/china-pulls-ahead-of-us-in-latest-top500-list/

Next thing yankes want to say is :
1) Speed does not matter,the most important is to achieve balance between speed and energy consumption..bla..bla...bla....
2)We USA will defeat China in a very near future with a totally innovative new one!!!

 

[oprih]

Amazing job by China!

 

[AViet]

Next thing yankes want to say is :
1) Speed does not matter,the most important is to achieve balance between speed and energy consumption..bla..bla...bla....
2)We USA will defeat China in a very near future with a totally innovative new one!!!

And finally, they will end up with chanting "Although China is far ahead in everything, but in the US we have democracy"

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

Obviously, for Americans and Indians, democracy is the answer to everything.

I want to thank China for having full confidence in American technology. 99% of China's supercomputer are running on Intel processors and/or Nvidia accelerators.

Also enjoy your time at the top while it lasts, as current predictions have the Summit and Sierra supercomputers taking the top 2 spots by next June. Both are under construction now.

Ban us please!!!Like ban us on nuclear weapons which only helped us to make our owns!!!

The Sunway TaihuLight (Chinese: 神威·太湖之光, Shénwēi·tàihú zhī guāng) is a Chinese supercomputer which, as of November 2016, is ranked number one in the TOP500 list as the fastest supercomputer in the world,with a LINPACK benchmark rating of 93 petaflops. This is nearly three times as fast as the previous holder of the record, theTianhe-2, which ran at 34 petaflops also made by China. As of June 2016, it is also ranked as the fourth most energy-efficient supercomputer in Green500, with an efficiency of 6,051.30 MFLOPS/W. It was designed by the China National Research Center of Parallel Computer Engineering & Technology (NRCPC) and is located at the National Supercomputing Center in Wuxi in the city of Wuxi, in Jiangsu province, China.

 

[AViet]

Obviously, for Americans and Indians, democracy is the answer to everything.


Ban us please!!!Like ban us on nuclear weapons which only helped us to make our owns!!!

Indeed. For them, democracy is the ultimatum. Even though their people live in filthy slums and in starvation, their corruption is rampant, their quality of education is at the world's bottom, they will keep chanting "but we have democracy".

 

[F-22Raptor]

You are definitely an Indian. The quality manifests itself the moment you talk on your own accord.

But, heck, you are right. The US must have some clandestine high tech stuff down in the Area 51, right?

Supercomputers with alien tech?

Why don't you simply pretend you are not a false-flagger and come back when your assumed country actually beats China in performance, efficiency, and 'total computing power'?

I stick to the facts, while you personally attack me. That's about par for the course for you and the Chinese PDF Brigade.

Information on the Sierra and Summit supercomputers are easily accessible, and both are expected to reach the top 2 spots next June under current projections. This is not "alien tech", just reality.

An once again, I want to thank China for utilizing American technology in your supercomputers. 99% of them are running on Intel processors and/or Nvidia accelerators.

You are definitely an Indian. The quality manifests itself the moment you talk on your own accord.

But, heck, you are right. The US must have some clandestine high tech stuff down in the Area 51, right?

Supercomputers with alien tech?

Why don't you simply pretend you are not a false-flagger and come back when your assumed country actually beats China in performance, efficiency, and 'total computing power'?

For several years now, a Chinese HPC organization has published the China TOP100 Supercomputers list. In the recent list published in October 2017, besides a few HPC top systems, the majority of the systems are related to Chinese hyperscale and cloud companies, making the list less relevant to the HPC market. As a result, the China TOP100 authors have announced that the list will not be carried forward and that the October 2017 release to be the last one.

It is probably common knowledge that if US hyperscale companies were to submit their systems to the TOP500 list, they could probably take over the entire list. This has not happened yet, but it clearly could. [Editor’s note: We did that math in own coverage of the TOP500 rankings here. And yes, collectively they could so this with their approximate 8 million server nodes.]

https://www.nextplatform.com/2017/11/13/top500-dead-long-live-top500/

An here's a response to your "total computing power" nonsense.

 

[TaiShang]

Spotlight: China dominates list of world's top supercomputers again

(Xinhua) 07:28, November 14, 2017

WASHINGTON, Nov. 13 (Xinhua) -- Once again, China dominated a new list of the world's fastest supercomputers, not only taking the top two seats, but also pulling ahead of the United States in the sheer number of systems being used.

CHINA'S DOMINANCE

According to a biannual ranking of the world's 500 fastest supercomputers, called the Top500 published Monday, China's Sunway TaihuLight maintains the lead as the No. 1 system for the fourth time, with a performance of 93.01 petaflops.

China's Tianhe-2, or Milky Way-2, is still the No. 2 system at 33.86 petaflops. Intel chip-based Tianhe-2 had topped the list for three years until it was displaced in November 2015 by TaihuLight, which was built by entirely using processors designed and made in China.

The No. 3 is Switzerland's Piz Daint, which is also the most powerful supercomputer in Europe. A new system in Japan, called Gyoukou, is the No. 4, pushing Titan, the top U.S system, to the No. 5.

"For the second time in a row there is no system from the U.S. under the TOP3," Top500 said in a statement.

And that's not all. The 50th edition of Top500 ranking also shows that China has overtaken the United States in the total number of ranked systems by a margin of 202 to 144. Just six months ago, the United States. led with 169 systems, and China with 159.

"It is the largest number of supercomputers China has ever claimed on the TOP500 ranking, with the U.S. presence shrinking to its lowest level since the list's inception 25 years ago," Top500 said.

"China now clearly shows a substantially larger number of installations than the United States."

China has also overtaken the United States in aggregate performance as well. The Asian country now claims 35.3 percent of the TOP500 flops, with the United States at second place with 29.8 percent.

AMERICAN STRENGTH

When it comes to companies making these systems, the U.S.-based Hewlett-Packard Enterprise has the lead in the number of installed supercomputers at 123, which represents nearly a quarter of all TOP500 systems.

China's Lenovo followed HPE with 81 systems, down from 88 systems on the June list, and another Chinese company called Inspur jumped to the third position with 56 systems, up from the sixth place and 20 systems only six month ago.

Liu Jun, Inspur's high performance computing (HPC) general manager, told Xinhua said China and its research institutes and companies have invested a lot in supporting HPC research, development and innovation.

"So China has improved greatly in its HPC competitiveness and performance," he said. "In addition, the United States and Europe may have a more prolonged update cycle for their supercomputers."

Liu cautioned that China's overtaking of the United States in the total number of ranked systems didn't make too much sense.

"We should be soberly aware that core technologies of the mainstream products on the HPC market, such as CPU and GPU, are now still being dominated and controlled by U.S. companies," Liu said.

"China still lags far behind when compared with the U.S. and Europe and requires continuous efforts for further development," Liu said.

Experts also predicted that Summit, a system currently being developed by the U.S. Department of Energy, could dethrone China's TaihuLight next year, when it comes to run with an expected performance of 200 petaflops.

OTHER HIGHLIGHTS

Other systems in the top 10 included Sequoia, Trinity and Cori of the United States, as well as Oakforest-PACS and K computer of Japan.

Top500 said this is the first time that each of the top 10 supercomputers delivered more than 10 petaflops.

There are also 181 systems with performance higher than a petaflop -- up from 138 six months ago, according to the list.

Taking a broader look, the combined performance of all 500 systems has grown to 845 petaflops, compared to 749 petaflops on the June list and 672 petaflops one year ago.

"Even though aggregate performance grew by nearly 100 petaflops, the relative increase is well below the list's long-term historical trend," the list said.

And the entry point in the latest rankings moved up to 548 teraflops, compared to 432 teraflops in June.

"The 548-teraflop system was in position 370 in the previous TOP500 list," it said. "The turnover is in line with what has been observed over the last four years, but is much lower than previous levels."

The Top500 list is considered one of the most authoritative rankings of the world's supercomputers. It is compiled on the basis of the machines' performance on the Linpack benchmark by experts from the United States and Germany.

http://en.people.cn/n3/2017/1114/c90000-9292150.html