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Bayraktar TB2 Drones ‘Out Of Action’ From Ukraine War; Russia’s Air Defense Or Diplomacy Behind Their Disappearance?

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Turkish Bayraktar TB2 drones emerged as the ‘ideal weapon’ that could change the course of the war in Ukraine. However, the Turkish-origin UAVs have now largely vanished from the battlefield, raising doubts about their efficiency.

The Turkish drones’ success was extensively covered in the media in the initial stages of the war. The success of these drones was documented in countless videos heavily shared on social media, depicting Ukrainian drones decimating Russian advances.

However, the sudden disappearance of these drones from both the battlefield and from the media has baffled many analysts who are trying to figure out the rationale behind the action

Russian reports claim that since the start of the conflict, Russian military forces have knocked down at least 130 Ukrainian drones. However, the Russian figure differs dramatically from the number of drones sent by Turkey. Ukraine has received 50 drones, according to Turkey.

Russian media outlets have also highlighted the lack of latest information regarding Bayraktar TB2’s combat operations in Ukraine since mid-August. Turkish drones are not operating as effectively as they were in Libya, Syria, and particularly during the Nagorno-Karabakh war.

The strikes on Snake Island, which started in the first weeks of May and went on until the end of June, were one of the Turkish drones’ last notable confrontations. Numerous experts opined that Russia had taken note of its mistakes and boosted the efficiency of its layered air defense system.

Meanwhile, it has been reported that the US intends to sell Ukraine General Atomics MQ-1C Gray Eagle armed drones, which are more capable than TB2s

However, the US is equally concerned that Russia may be able to knock out Gray Eagle armed drones, which would result in the loss of cutting-edge US technology. The US also fears that the drones could end up in the hands of Russian military-tech experts.

Factors Behind The Absence Of Turkish Drones
The fact that Russia has strengthened its defense systems and is shooting down and jamming many of Ukraine’s drones is one of the reasons Turkish drones could be losing effectiveness.

Samuel Bendett, an analyst and expert in unmanned and robotic military systems, noted that Russian electronic warfare and air defenses have improved in coordination and deployment compared to the early stages of the conflict.

He added that Russian forces are using early warning radars to locate drones, and electronic warfare weapons are being used to jam and interfere with their transmission.

The Chief of the Air Staff (CAS) of the Indian Air Force (IAF) recently noted that “Inputs about the effectiveness of the Remotely Piloted Aircraft (RPAs) have been mixed. While initial reports were largely positive, as the major action shifted to the East, where a structured Russian AD system was available, most inputs indicate high vulnerability and limited impact.


“This highlighted the need for a multi-layered and ranged air defense system with both hard and soft kill options for dealing with RPAs. However, definitive conclusions can only be reached once the entire context and conditions become clear,” he added

Besides that, Moscow also employs a variety of weapons, including machine guns and air defense systems, like the Tor missile system, to shoot drones.

In this new chapter of the conflict, Ukraine’s drones are getting less effective, but Russia is efficiently using Iranian-made drones. Latest reports have also suggested that Russia has not used Iranian-origin drones for quite some time and could be running out of ‘cheap and chirring’ UAVs.

Russian media also speculated that the gas agreement between Russia and Turkey might be another factor in the less usage of Turkish drones in combat.

It was previously stated that Russian President Vladimir Putin had placed conditions on Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan to stop delivering Turkish drones to Ukraine to keep the gas deal alive. As a result, Turkey is reportedly not making any new TB2 drone deliveries to Ukraine

The EurAsian Times had also reported that Baykar backed out from establishing a drone factory in Ukraine in collaboration with a state-run defense company.

Russian media claim that political machinations between Russia and Turkey, rather than Russian air defense systems, are to blame for the absence of Turkish drones
 

TACTICAL DRONE: The Evolution of Bayraktar TB2​


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in 2020 ROTAX was unable to impede use of its dual-use engine,
Canada did impose an embargo on the WESCAM MX-15 Electro-Optical system,
and BAYKAR was able to replace the MX-15 with the indigenous Aselsan CATS system


Two eventful years passed. What is the state of the TB2 today? How did it continue to perform in Libya, and then in Azerbaijan and Ukraine?

TB2’s excellent performance in Libya and Azerbaijan remains uncontested. However, in Ukraine a dearth of visual evidence gave birth to false and contradicting claims. In this new article, our first priority is to set the record straight in Ukraine, examine the evolution of the TB2, recognize its runaway international export success, and finally try once more to predict what the future may hold for the now world-famous Tactical Drone !


LIBYA

In Libya, Haftar’s LNA comically claimed the destruction of more TB2s than Libya actually procured; we were able to confirm three lost airframes in our prior article (Tail Numbers T92, T94 and T95)

Last year, new information came to our attention. During the Libyan campaign, BAYKAR apparently upgraded the TB2 Line-of-Sight (LOS) communication link, expanding its range to 250 km from 150 km. In addition, BAYKAR constantly improved the autonomous flight software, to safely guide the aircraft in case of temporary loss of communications, until their reestablishment

After these upgrades TB2 losses in Libya apparently came to a halt.

The three downed airframes in Libya were largely intact, without penetrating fragment damage, implying their loss was probably caused by Electronic Interference or other communication link failure. Therefore, the strengthening of the commlink and associated software may largely explain how further losses were averted.

Further indirect confirmation from Ukraine: Ukrainian officers stated on the record, that the TB2 is the only UAV capable of flying under dense Russian Electronic Warfare (EW) measures.




AZERBAIJAN

Nagorno-Karabakh, the center of conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan, has been arguably the most successful operating theater for the Bayraktar TB2.

In the space of a few weeks, TB2s managed to destroy about 80 Tanks, more than 150 howitzers, artillery pieces and rocket launchers as well as a significant number of light vehicles, and personnel

TB2s became the nemesis of Anti-Aircraft (AA) systems with more than 20 confirmed kills.
The majority of destroyed systems were of the Strela and OSA types, but some modern high-end systems — including 1 TOR and 2 S-300’s — were destroyed as well


In conclusion, Bayraktar TB2 became a main contributor to the swift and decisive victory of Azerbaijan in the Nagorno-Karabakh war. Furthermore, this was achieved with the loss of just one airframe during the entire 6-week war.



UKRAINE

The TB2 contribution in the Ukrainian war remains controversial, primarily due to scant visual evidence. Ukraine suddenly stopped publishing videos of TB2 strikes after the first few days of the war.

The few videos published before the cutoff show widespread destruction of Russian supplies of ammunition and fuel in the Northern front, and the demise of some Anti-Aircraft (AA) systems. After a few days into the war, the flow of information completely ceased.

We believe the halt was imposed for reasons of operational security. We give no credence to rumors claiming the halt was mandated by the manufacturing company and/or country.

No more videos were published afterwards, with the exception of some rare videos released by the Ukrainian Navy.

The dearth of information gave birth to conflicting claims on the role of the Bayraktar TB2 in the Ukrainian war. The Russians claim, in Haftar infamy, to have destroyed more TB2s that Ukraine actually owns. The Ukrainians claim that the TB2 is one of their most effective weapons.

Where does the truth lie? To answer this question, we must first revisit the capabilities of the platform




TB2 MISSIONS AND CAPABILITIES

1) TB2 in Local Conflicts: An Exceptionally Versatile Platform


TB2 was originally designed for counter terrorism, as Türkiye needed a UAV platform to address illegal activities in its borders, including operations of the PKK terrorist group

This mission was a resounding success: soon after the TB2 was added to Turkish Armed Forces inventory, PKK largely lost the ability to conduct operations inside Türkiye and to infiltrate terrorists through the Iraq and Syrian borders.

In 2020 in a more conventional theater, in Syria’s Idlib province (operation Spring Shield), the Turkish general staff decided to use the TB2 in a deep-strike role. Fighter jet operations were not feasible as Russia used its S-400 systems to restrict North Syrian airspace.

The TB2 performed flawlessly in Syria, decimating Assad’s heavy assets and armor, as well as lighter vehicles and personnel. In an even more impressive feat, it managed to destroy several Pantsir AA systems, earning a reputation as an “AA-killer”

In our prior article we have already established the “limited furtivity” of the TB2. Capitalizing on its limited ability to evade detection, TB2s managed to destroy multiple Pantsir systems, taking advantage of the 8+ km maximum range of MAM-L munitions


This capability was further demonstrated in Libya were upwards of 20 Pantsir systems were destroyed. In Nagorno Karabakh and Ukraine, a limited number of more advanced Anti-Aircraft systems (TOR, BUK and S-300) were also destroyed


In conclusion TB2 proved to be an extremely versatile platform, suitable both for counter insurgency, as well as low and medium intensity conflicts. It ideally operates at a certain “stand-offish” distance from its targets but may also be able to penetrate behind front lines in a deep-strike role, depending on the capability of the adversary’s Air Defense



2) TB2 in Densely Protected Airspace

The conflict in Ukraine is the first full scale War in Europe since World War II. Its scale resembles an imagined Soviet Invasion of Western Europe, as envisaged by NATO

The A10 Warthog was designed specifically for this type of battlefield, with the mission to destroy massive scale Soviet armor and artillery. The Soviets riposted with their own specialized ground attack planes especially the Su-25.

A dense multi-layered Air Defense environment is exactly what Russia built over South and East Ukraine: it would thus be irrational to expect the TB2 to be able to casually penetrate it. We caution our readers, that “Limited” is the key word in our concept of “limited furtivity”: TB2 is not a stealth platform


TB2 critics unreasonably expect the small drone to be able to perform flawlessly in an environment where even an A-10 ground attack fighter would be challenged today. This is disingenuous at best, nonsensical at worst

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How Ukraine operated the TB2

During the first few weeks of the War, the Ukrainian Armed Forces operated the TB2 quite effectively.

They used BAYKAR’s Mobile Control Stations to disperse TB2s away from Airports, limiting potential losses on the ground from Russian Air Force attacks and Kalibre cruise missile strikes.


They also operated the TB2 in a clever strategic manner. Recognizing the hazardously built, incomplete Russian air defenses, and most importantly the fragility of Russian logistics throughout the North, they concentrated their strikes on challenged logistic lines.
Repeated TB2 strikes on railway and track convoys of ammunition and fuel further degraded Russian logistics in the North front


We can safely assume that a similar, more or less intense pace continued throughout the first month of operations. TB2s contributed to heavy Russian losses in both materiel and personnel in the North front, which inevitably led to their decision to withdraw.


Indeed, after approximately one month, the Russians retreated from the North and regrouped towards the South and East. This move signaled the start of the second phase of operations, and tilted the fortunes of war heavily towards Russia

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Ukraine after the start of Russian withdrawal from the North Front (marked in blue color) source: The Economist


In the South and East, the proximity of Crimea, the presence of battle-hardened local militias of Donbass and the apparent competence of local field command, resulted in significant early Russian advances towards Kherson and Melitopol. This facilitated their operations and gave them enough time to organize their formidable multi-layered Air Defense, vastly complicating TB2 operations in the second phase of the conflict.


Furthermore, Ukraine under duress made certain unwise tactical decisions regarding deployment and operation of the TB2. Ukrainian forces operated TB2s in several dangerous missions of no apparent tactical importance, presumably for theatrical and/or propaganda purposes.


TB2s were used for strikes deep inside Russia, mainly in Belgorod, where Ukraine should have anticipated minimal results. They should have also realized that TB2s would be challenged to get to their targets and even more challenged to come back. At least two TB2s were lost over Russian Federation territory as a result.


Other doubtful missions of no apparent tactical value were the obsessively repeated raids on Snake Island. At least one Ukrainian Navy TB2 was lost; it was later recovered by Russian forces in the waters around the island.



Objective Facts: TB2 Achievements in Ukraine

TB2 videos from the first few days of the war demonstrate a focus on Russian supply lines, with scores of direct hits on railway ammunition and fuel wagons, armored vehicles, and Air Defense systems. Although we have no videos afterwards, we believe these successful operations continued throughout the first month of the war until the Russians withdrew from the North.

What happened in the second phase, after the Russian withdrawal, is less clear. Nevertheless, we have several confirmed TB2 operations:

  • TB2s attacked and set on fire Russian fuel depots deep inside Russian Federation territory, in the city of Belgorod.
  • A TB2 tracked the cruiser Moskva, according to the ship’s crew. It apparently occupied the ship’s air defenses while Moskva was attacked and sunk by anti-ship missiles.
  • In Snake Island a TB2 destroyed a helicopter while Russia troops were disembarking.
  • TB2s destroyed several AA systems, including Pantsir and Strela, as well as two small patrol boats of the Raptor class around Snake Island.

  • A TB2 was probably involved in the attack against the large Alligator class landing ship Orsk while the ship was unloading materiel in the port of Berdyansk. The ensuing fire destroyed and sunk the ship, damaging two other landing ships docked nearby.
  • We know that a TB2 tracked the Russian tugboat Vasily Bekh, and we suspect it may have designated the target for a laser ordinance from another platform. Claims that the tugboat was hit by Harpoon missiles are unlikely.
The reason most of these strikes are on Naval targets is not a coincidence. The Black Sea is a far more permissive environment, with limited air-defense. It is therefore an ideal hunting ground for the TB2.

We can clearly see that although it became increasingly difficult for the TB2 to operate in the dense Air Defense environment of the South and East fronts, it remained a useful platform when operated wisely.



Objective Facts: TB2 Losses in Ukraine

Ukrainian forces operated the TB2 effectively during the first phase of the war. In the second phase, they seemed to take certain unwise decisions under considerable pressure.
They frequently operated the TB2 in dangerous missions of no tactical importance, contributing to increased losses.


 
Guess why the Indians are looking into this and why the IAF chief statement is included in the propaganda mouthpiece ?
Pakistan bought the TB2s and other drones so automatically the Indians have to go on a dissing parade
 
Guess why the Indians are looking into this and why the IAF chief statement is included in the propaganda mouthpiece ?
Pakistan bought the TB2s and other drones so automatically the Indians have to go on a dissing parade


If Indian Army enter Pakistan , TB-2 , AKINCI UCAVs easly can destroy Indian Army in Pakistani soil

and Pakistan has strong Air Force to protect TB-2 , AKINCI UCAVs , while Ukraine doesnt have Air Force



India doesnt have technology to match with Turkish UCAVs in Pakistani soil
Let India try to invade Pakistan with 1,000 Tanks .. All Tanks will be destroyed

Thanks to Turkish UCAV War concept to arm TB-2 and AKINCI UCAVs with superior fire power

-- 16 km UMTAS Anti-Tank Missile
-- 16 km MAM-L laser guided munition
-- 30 km MAM-T laser guided munition
-- 40 km KUZGUN-KY Missile with IIR seeker
-- 50 km TOLUN guided Bomb with IIR seeker
-- 180+ km KUZGUN-TJ Missile with IIR seeker

even TB-2 UCAV can keep laser designator on the target from 25-30 km away to hit the target by TRLG-230 laser guided MLRS from 70 km away ....... ( American HIMARS doesnt have this capability to hit moving targets )


also 60 km ALPAGUT kamikaze Drone ( 11kg warhead ) with TV + IIR seeker to hit even moving targets

Nowhere to hide , Nowhere to run

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Just b/c videos aren't coming out, doesn't mean they aren't being used. Ukraine hasn't really gone on an offensive recently, and tactics are being changed with a heavy use of rocket artillery like HIMARS, Ukraine recently bought some laser guided TRLG-230 which are guided by TB2s. There was also news of electronic warfare variants of the TB2 being employed. They are there, just being used differently, there isn't as much of a free for all b/c the russians have adapted and not taking the risks and bold action they were before in their offensive pushes, and they have shored up holes.
 
If Indian Army enter Pakistan , TB-2 , AKINCI UCAVs easly can destroy Indian Army in Pakistani soil

and Pakistan has strong Air Force to protect TB-2 , AKINCI UCAVs , while Ukraine doesnt have Air Force



India doesnt have technology to match with Turkish UCAVs in Pakistani soil
Let India try to invade Pakistan with 1,000 Tanks .. All Tanks will be destroyed

Thanks to Turkish UCAV War concept to arm TB-2 and AKINCI UCAVs with superior fire power

-- 16 km UMTAS Anti-Tank Missile
-- 16 km MAM-L laser guided munition
-- 30 km MAM-T laser guided munition
-- 40 km KUZGUN-KY Missile with IIR seeker
-- 50 km TOLUN guided Bomb with IIR seeker
-- 180+ km KUZGUN-TJ Missile with IIR seeker

even TB-2 UCAV can keep laser designator on the target from 25-30 km away to hit the target by TRLG-230 laser guided MLRS from 70 km away ....... ( American HIMARS doesnt have this capability to hit moving targets )


also 60 km ALPAGUT kamikaze Drone ( 11kg warhead ) with TV + IIR seeker to hit even moving targets

Nowhere to hide , Nowhere to run

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We will wait till you guys self implode 🫡
 
Guess why the Indians are looking into this and why the IAF chief statement is included in the propaganda mouthpiece ?
Pakistan bought the TB2s and other drones so automatically the Indians have to go on a dissing parade

Yup

That is the reason. Since Pakistan has it so it is cr@p and failure
 
Guess why the Indians are looking into this and why the IAF chief statement is included in the propaganda mouthpiece ?
Pakistan bought the TB2s and other drones so automatically the Indians have to go on a dissing parade

Our @beijingwalker is endorsing Eurasian Times these days. :lol:
 

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