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Better to have good numbers of Multi mission 1000 tons FAC and 3000 tons class Frigate like F-22P.
OH, I donnu, I kind of like corvettes e.g. Italian Minerva and Folgosi classes, German Braunschweig class, Argentinian Meko 160. They offer numbers and flexibility in larger navies, whilst a good core platform in smaller navies.
 
OH, I donnu, I kind of like corvettes e.g. Italian Minerva and Folgosi classes, German Braunschweig class, Argentinian Meko 160. They offer numbers and flexibility in larger navies, whilst a good core platform in smaller navies.
those are all good ships...... but, I'm not sure whether there's a common solution to all navy's problems.... while multirole ships are more popular because of their ability to incorporate a lotta things without being a specialist, its still the specific role of the ship within a specific navy and a specific threat environ that determines what should be picked up by a specific fleet....

in BN's case, all things get stuck at the budget front.... thats one of the prime reasons our navy's ships are 28 years old on an average.... we're still at the force building stage..... there would be a time when we can start modernizing the fleet.... lets at first take the force level to a place where we can start to feel more confident about fulfilling the primary roles..... by that time, our economy will pump in enough to enable us to replace the older ships..... right now, our asset is our professional navy..... its much more difficult to create a professional force than acquiring newer, more capable ships.....
 
just a few day ago we were discussing whether FL-3000N missile units are going to be installed on Type 056 corvettes BN is getting from China.... I overlooked this news item published on 23 February 2014, which gave absolute proof of the SAM's existence on board the ships....

"Dhaka has finalised a deal with Beijing to purchase military hardware worth Tk 93 crore for two new generation guided-missile corvettes for the Bangladesh Navy, officials said.
Officials said the ships have been under construction by China Shipbuilding and Offshore International Company since January 2013 as part of the BN’s move to strengthen its age-old fleet.
The fund will be needed to add FL-3000 Sam Sticks air defence system that can launch missiles at intervals of three seconds, base facilities and target drone and firing test facility to the corvettes.
CPMIEC, a Chinese company, will supply the materials for the warships which are smaller than a frigate.
The navy is scheduled to clear the payment in two phases – the first instalment of Tk 73 crore in next fiscal year and the rest in 20015-16, said a defence ministry official.
The ships are expected to arrive in the country next year."
Tk 93cr Chinese corvettes deal finalised
 
just a few day ago we were discussing whether FL-3000N missile units are going to be installed on Type 056 corvettes BN is getting from China.... I overlooked this news item published on 23 February 2014, which gave absolute proof of the SAM's existence on board the ships....

"Dhaka has finalised a deal with Beijing to purchase military hardware worth Tk 93 crore for two new generation guided-missile corvettes for the Bangladesh Navy, officials said.
Officials said the ships have been under construction by China Shipbuilding and Offshore International Company since January 2013 as part of the BN’s move to strengthen its age-old fleet.
The fund will be needed to add FL-3000 Sam Sticks air defence system that can launch missiles at intervals of three seconds, base facilities and target drone and firing test facility to the corvettes.
CPMIEC, a Chinese company, will supply the materials for the warships which are smaller than a frigate.
The navy is scheduled to clear the payment in two phases – the first instalment of Tk 73 crore in next fiscal year and the rest in 20015-16, said a defence ministry official.
The ships are expected to arrive in the country next year."
Tk 93cr Chinese corvettes deal finalised
it means about $6million cost for the SAM for each corvette, good. What about total cost ?
 
it means about $6million cost for the SAM for each corvette, good. What about total cost ?
well, not sure this is the total cost.... because it supposedly includes other items as well....

oh, on another note, Khulna Shipyard called for tender for design of two LPCs for BN..... the tender is probably going to end March 2014.... so, its a possibility that Bangladesh may start building two more of the Durjoy-class LPCs by the end of this year.... lets see....
 
well, not sure this is the total cost.... because it supposedly includes other items as well....

oh, on another note, Khulna Shipyard called for tender for design of two LPCs for BN..... the tender is probably going to end March 2014.... so, its a possibility that Bangladesh may start building two more of the Durjoy-class LPCs by the end of this year.... lets see....
Somthing looks strange to me. Is FL3000N included in the ship-building funds? Why need extra money to buy it?
 
Somthing looks strange to me. Is FL3000N included in the ship-building funds? Why need extra money to buy it?
I have seen the same thing for BNS Bangabandhu, the modified-Ulsan-class frigate we got from ROK..... there too, we had to separately give fund for every single weapon and electronics outfit.... SIPRI reported those purchases separately..... may be thats because of the customized requirements.... the original ship design didn't have those....

these are the separate purchase reports for the fittings on BNS Bangabandhu:
Germany:
1 ASO-90 ASW sonar (1998) 2001 1 For 1 DW-2000H Type (Bangabandhu Class) frigate from South Korea
Italy:
10 Otomat-2 Anti-ship missile (1998) 2002 (10) For DW-2000H (Bangabandhu) frigate
1 Super Rapid 76mm Naval gun (1998) 2001 1 For 1 DW-2000H (Bangabandhu) frigate from South Korea
2 Compact 40L70 Naval gun (1998) 2001 2 For 1 DW-2000H (Bangabandhu) frigate from South Korea
Netherlands:
1 DA-08 Air search radar (1998) 2001 1 For 1 DW-2000H (Bangabandhu) frigate from South Korea
1 MIRADOR EO search/fire control (1998) 2001 1 For 1 DW-2000H Type (Bangabandhu Class) frigate from South Korea
1 Variant Air/sea search radar (1998) 2001 1 For 1 DW-2000H Type (Bangabandhu Class) frigate from South Korea
1 LIROD Fire control radar (1999) 2001 1 For 1 DW-2000H (Bangabandhu) frigate from South Korea; LIROD-2 version
South Korea:
1 DW-2000H Frigate1998 2001 1 $100 m deal; Bangladeshi designation Bangabandhu
China:
20 R-440 Crotale SAM (2005) 2007 (20) FM-90 version; for DW-2000 (Bangabandhu) frigate
France:
4 PA6 Diesel engine (1998) 2001 4 For 1 DW-200H (Bangabandhu) frigate from South Korea
 
Trade Registers are written outputs that contain information on deals between specific arms suppliers and recipients over a specific time period that are included in the SIPRI Arms Transfers Database. A deal is only included in a Trade Register if reliable information has been verified that an order has been placed or deliveries have begun.

You can also choose whether to include all deals or only those involving certain types of weapon system, and whether the Trade Register is laid out according to supplier(s) or recipient(s).

In a Trade Register, deals are divided between, on the one hand, those that involve the physical transfer of military equipment and, on the other, those that involve the transfer of technology or provision of a licence, allowing the goods to be produced or assembled by the recipient.
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SIPRI statistical data on arms transfers relates to actual deliveries of major conventional weapons. To permit comparison between the data on such deliveries of different weapons and to identify general trends, SIPRI has developed a unique system to measure the volume of international transfers of major conventional weapons using a common unit, the trend-indicator value (TIV).
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SIPRI TIV figures do not represent sales prices for arms transfers.

Examples of SIPRI TIV

To better illustrate how the SIPRI TIV is constructed/calculated, four types of transfer are outlined below using actual SIPRI TIV: transfer of a newly produced complete weapons system; a transfer of surplus weapons; a transfer of significant components for a major conventional weapons system; and a licensed production arrangement. All of the examples given are for items delivered or ordered from Germany in 2009.

  • The transfer of newly produced complete weapons systems: In 2009, Germany delivered 6 Eurofighter combat aircraft to Austria. One Eurofighter is valued at 55 million SIPRI TIV. Therefore the delivery is valued at 330 million SIPRI TIV.
  • Transfer of surplus weapons: In 2009, Germany delivered 43 surplus Leopard-2A4 tanks to Chile. One Leopard-2A4 tank is valued at 4 million SIPRI TIV and a used version is valued at 1.6 million SIPRI TIV (40 per cent of the value of a new version). Therefore, the delivery is valued at 68.8 million SIPRI TIV.
  • Transfer of significant components for major conventional weapons systems: In 2009, Germany delivered 8 MTU-8000 diesel engines for frigates to Singapore. One MTU-8000 diesel engine is valued at 4 million SIPRI TIV. Therefore the delivery is valued at 32 million SIPRI TIV.
  • Licensed production arrangement: In 2009 the Republic of Korea was granted a license to produce one Type-209PN submarine. One Type-209PN submarine is valued at 275 million SIPRI TIV. Therefore the delivery is valued at 275 million SIPRI TIV.
SIPRI Arms Transfers Database - Sources and methods — www.sipri.org

Warships are delivered and costed as are the major systems on them, but that is how SIPRI counts, not how the deal is put together or actually priced.

Example
Pakistan China (6) AS-565SA Panther ASW helicopter 2005 2009 - 2010 (6) Z-9EC version
Pakistan China (70) C-802/CSS-N-8 Anti-ship missile 2005 2009 - 2011 (50) For Jiangwei (F-22P) frigates
Pakistan China (100) R-440 Crotale SAM 2005 2009 - 2012 (80) For Jiangwei (F-22P) frigates; HQ-7 (FM-80) version
Pakistan China 4 F-22 Frigate 2005 2009 - 2010 3 Yes $500-750 m deal; F-22P version; incl 1 produced in Pakistan; Pakistani designation Zulfiquar, delivery 2009-2013

All these together make the 750 million dollar deal Pakistan made with China for frigates. THe heli's, AShM and FM80 were neither ordered nor paid seperately. Its a whole ship deal, including weapon systems, ordnance, technology transfer, etc.
 
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SIPRI Arms Transfers Database - Sources and methods — www.sipri.org

Warships are delivered and costed as are the major systems on them, but that is how SIPRI counts, not how the deal is put together or actually priced.

Example
Pakistan China (6) AS-565SA Panther ASW helicopter 2005 2009 - 2010 (6) Z-9EC version
Pakistan China (70) C-802/CSS-N-8 Anti-ship missile 2005 2009 - 2011 (50) For Jiangwei (F-22P) frigates
Pakistan China (100) R-440 Crotale SAM 2005 2009 - 2012 (80) For Jiangwei (F-22P) frigates; HQ-7 (FM-80) version
Pakistan China 4 F-22 Frigate 2005 2009 - 2010 3 Yes $500-750 m deal; F-22P version; incl 1 produced in Pakistan; Pakistani designation Zulfiquar, delivery 2009-2013

All these together make the 750 million dollar deal Pakistan made with China for frigates. THe heli's, AShM and FM80 were neither ordered nor paid seperately. Its a whole ship deal, including weapon systems, ordnance, technology transfer, etc.

even if you are right about SIPRI, the news that we discussed above was quoted by Bangladesh Navy officials.....

"The fund will be needed to add FL-3000 Sam Sticks air defence system that can launch missiles at intervals of three seconds, base facilities and target drone and firing test facility to the corvettes."

oh, and Bangladesh separately ordered Agusta A109 helicopters for the BNS Bangabandhu in February 2010 and it was delivered in June 2011..... take a look at the dates for the ship and its equipment..... the original deal didn't have the helos.....
 
even if you are right about SIPRI, the news that we discussed above was quoted by Bangladesh Navy officials.....

"The fund will be needed to add FL-3000 Sam Sticks air defence system that can launch missiles at intervals of three seconds, base facilities and target drone and firing test facility to the corvettes."

oh, and Bangladesh separately ordered Agusta A109 helicopters for the BNS Bangabandhu in February 2010 and it was delivered in June 2011..... take a look at the dates for the ship and its equipment..... the original deal didn't have the helos.....
I AM right about SIPRI. PN was just an example. I expect you to be smart enough to apply that example to BN. But if you choose not to believe me, have it your way, that's all right with me.
 
BD army officers living a classy life in their DOHS areas.

these days they are more of govt employers rather than actual warriors

having too much faith in this army is not a good idea
 

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