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Rohingya's are not indigenous to Rakhine/Arakan. They came from Bangladesh. Stop spreading lies.

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However, they deserve Burmese citizenship as they have lived in Burma for decades now. But if they still dream of seperate Muslim Caliphate or whatever, well then thats just plain stupid.

Stop your Islamophobic bs hate propaganda about caliphate and don't talk about which you know nothing about, read the following:

Aye Chan's Selective Amnesia

Aye Chan's Selective Amnesia

Thursday, 15 September 2011 11:09
by Dr. Habib Siddiqui

Aye Chan is a Rakhine racist and bigot who has made a profession out of distorting history of Muslims of Arakan. His latest article "Burma’s Western Border as Reported by the Diplomatic Correspondence (1947 – 1975)" is another such evil attempt to justify aggression and oppression against the Rohingya Muslims of Arakan (and Burma). In his twisted logic he shows his selective amnesia about the crimes of his own racist group while being all agog about the so-called secession movement of the Rohingyas in the dying days of the British rule in South Asia.

Aye Chan's latest disingenuous attempt to revise history should not surprise anyone that is well acquainted with the history of partition of British India and emergence of Burma as a free nation. During that period, many activists of the freedom movement felt that it was not what they had bargained for with the leaders of the dying British Colonial administration. Even the Arakanese people wanted a state of their own away from the control of the Burmans. Muslims of Kashmir wanted to be part of Pakistan, a matter that was left unresolved because while the territory had some 80-90% Muslims, its ruler was a Hindu. So was the case with princely state of Hyderabad, ruled by Muslim nobility over Hindu majority.

In the then East Pakistan, no one knew for a short period after 14-15 August 1947, whether Sylhet and Karimganj, two places with huge Muslim population would become part of Pakistan or became part of India. The same goes for other territories all along the boundaries that we see today. Boundary demarcation was not clear. Some border towns had one day the Indian flag raised, only to be replaced by the Pakistani flag next day, or week, and vice versa. So, if the Rohingya Muslim people of Northern Arakan, where it is overwhelmingly Muslim, had desired during the independence of Pakistan and Burma to be connected with fellow Muslims in East Pakistan, because of their cultural ties, was it totally out of line? I doubt that.

Even the Rakhines did not want to be part of Burma. There were insurgencies, communist and nationalist alike, raging everywhere inside Burma. From the 1950s, there was a growing movement for secession and restoration of independence of Arakan. In part to appease this sentiment, in 1974, the socialist government under General Ne Win constituted Rakhine State from Arakan Division giving at least nominal acknowledgment of the regional majority of the Rakhine people. This was an unfortunate and ill-conceived decision, planting the seeds of racism in a divided country along ethnic lines that would complicate the relationship between the two major ethnic groups, Rakhines and Rohingyas. Islamic separatists calling themselves the Mujahid also carried out a rebellion to create an Islamic state in the regions bordering Chittagong/Cox's Bazar (of the then East Pakistan). Now to blame the Rohingyas for their piece of struggle, while hiding crimes of the Rakhine insurgency, is insincere and racist to the core. It is not analysis but paralysis of independent and unbiased thinking! As the dust settled, which by the way did take some years with all those killings of founding leaders of Burma, the disparate people of Burma have learned to live with the new reality. But Burma still remains a fractured country of nations where racism runs deep and wisdom a rarity, even amongst its intellectuals.

Today's Rohingya people have no desire for a separate homeland of their own, if their basic human rights can be protected. But if they continue to be treated as outsiders, infiltrators, and all the false xenophobic, or rather racist, epithets thrown at them by their hateful accusers, then it is high time for the conscience minded people of our planet to demand a change with such an attitude that forces these indigenous people of Arakan to live a life of statelessness inside Burma, or of unwanted refugees outside.

Historically, the people of Arakan and Chittagong were the same people living along the coastal shorelines of the Bay of Bengal. The River Naaf which now separates Burma from Bangladesh was not a physical barrier to these indigenous people. People of this joint landmass lived for centuries together before they became part of either the Muslim Sultanate or Buddhist Rule.

The indigenous people, the true Bhumiputras (adibashis), were these brown-colored (Indian featured) people whose descendants now live in northern Arakan (whom we know as the Rohingyas) and Chittagong/Cox's Bazar districts of today's Bangladesh (known as the Chittagonians). Their racial similarity was mostly because of that connected shoreline, away from the Arakan Yoma mountain range that had separated this crescent on the Bay of Bengal from the thrust of savages coming from the north and the east. Their dialect was also same (originating from Sanskrit, which later evolved into Bangla) until much later in history, when the Muslim ruled Chittagong absorbed lots of Farsi and Arabic terms in their vocabulary, as a result of Sultanate and Mughal rule of Bengal.

It took the late 10th century for this landmass of Arakan, then ruled by Hindu kings, to come under the possession of the Tibeto-Burman Buddhist invaders from the north. While the northern territories of Chittagong survived from the takeover, it took a few centuries, until the Mrauk-U dynasty to cement this relationship between the two sides of the Naaf River. Nurtured by the new rulers who were indebted to the Bengal Sultan who had restored Narameikhla back to power in 1430, Mrohaung (sounding Rohang or Roshang - in Bengali) became the literary center of Bengali literature. From then on, the cultural link between the two sides was only punctuated during the Burman invasion of Arakan in 1784, when tens of thousands of Rohingya Muslims and Hindus, and Rakhine Buddhists were killed and enslaved. Many fled to Chittagong and settled there. During the British occupation, dating back to 1824, some of the children and grandchildren of these exiles returned to cultivate the land that had become desolate. Many however, chose to remain in Chittagong, as is well recorded and documented to this date.

The obnoxious claim that the Rohingyas are a product of British occupation period, or of even later time, or geopolitics of the region, is absolutely false. It is ludicrous and aimed at denying basic rights of citizenship to these people. Not only is this 1982 Citizenship Law in Burma (interestingly written by Rakhine racists like Aye Kyaw, himself a naturalized American, living in NY city) at variance with all laws of our civilized world, it is downright criminal, and must be altered, thus allowing restoring rights of this unfortunate people, and many other races and ethnicities (including the Karen).

Even on another level, when we consider that it took less than a decade for many of these Rakhine exiles, now comfortably living as naturalized citizens in their adopted countries - USA, Germany, Canada, Japan and other parts of Europe, it is really bizarre to see them advocating for denial of citizenship rights to the Rohingya people. How long should they wait? Even if one were to accept the Rakhine version of false propaganda that the Rohingyas had infiltrated the territory in the mid-19th century, is not these 100 plus years sufficient?

Funny that these hostile racists and bigots of the Rakhine community claim that they are democratic minded and would love to see a federal state where democracy runs supreme! Their provocative statements, and the lies that they propagate, and the hatred that they spew, inciting violence against minority, only go on to show that they are fascists, and nothing else.
 
Can any Bangladeshi tells us when and how 20000 Muslims were killed in Burma?
 
Yes, Bangladesh has taken a strong stand of pushing the people coming to seek refuge to deep seas or back to where they came from and now crying for every one else.. Height of Hypocrisy!!

These Indian Hindu's now control Bangladesh using their agent Hasina, leading Awami League political party that was created by India in 1950's to break Pakistan, using Mujib, Hasina's father.

We Bangladeshi's cry, because our country has been hijacked by Hindu Indians using their agent and doing all kinds of anti-national and anti-muslim act like this one, which is opposed by majority public opinion. And then these Indians come here to tell us that it is our fault, yes Bangladesh is too stupid and poor to see through sneaky Indians, but slowly the public is waking up.

Hopefully in Dec. 2013 election, we will be able to send these Indian agents back to India, otherwise there will be civil war in Bangladesh, if the Indian agents try to steal the election with India's help again.

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hehe.. Kallu miah is crying in every thread same rant again n again.. :rofl:

These Indian Hindu's now control Bangladesh using their agent Hasina, leading Awami League political party that was created by India in 1950's to break Pakistan, using Mujib, Hasina's father.

We Bangladeshi's cry, because our country has been hijacked by Hindu Indians using their agent and doing all kinds of anti-national and anti-muslim act like this one, which is opposed by majority public opinion. And then these Indians come here to tell us that it is our fault, yes Bangladesh is too stupid and poor to see through sneaky Indians, but slowly the public is waking up.

Hopefully in Dec. 2013 election, we will be able to send these Indian agents back to India, otherwise there will be civil war in Bangladesh, if the Indian agents try to steal the election with India's help again.

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Stop your Islamophobic bs hate propaganda about caliphate and don't talk about which you know nothing about, read the following:

Aye Chan's Selective Amnesia

Aye Chan's Selective Amnesia

Thursday, 15 September 2011 11:09
by Dr. Habib Siddiqui

Umm I think I would rather believe the British Census figures from 1881, than some article written by Bangladeshi jamati.:lol:

Clearly shows that around 15% of the people in Arakan in 1881 were born in Bengal(Bangladesh). If you look at the birth rate of Bangladesh, that 70,000 Bangladeshis in 1881 are today 1.5 Million Ronhingyas. Makes sense.
 
Umm I think I would rather believe the British Census figures from 1881, than some article written by Bangladeshi jamati.:lol:

Clearly shows that around 15% of the people in Arakan in 1881 were born in Bengal(Bangladesh). If you look at the birth rate of Bangladesh, that 70,000 Bangladeshis in 1881 are today 1.5 Million Ronhingyas. Makes sense.

Does this justify the killings.
 
Your acting like every Rohingya only prays for a seperate country.

They don't but you can get a idea why the Burmese people don't like them. Its like imagine if Afghan refugees in Pakistan start demanding their own separate country carved out of Pakistan.
 
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缅甸若开邦骚乱死亡人数升至62人

http://www.syd.com.cn  2012-06-22 09:25:32 来源: 新华网


新华网仰光6月21日电 (记者 张云飞)缅甸若开邦地方官员21日会见当地媒体时表示,过去两周多若开邦共有62人在骚乱中死亡。

若开邦政府安全部长兼边境事务部长盛林上校在电话中对新华社记者说,官方本月16日曾发布消息介绍局势,公布截至14日的死亡人数为50人。其后,个别地方又发生零星骚乱,在拉德堂镇区的骚乱中有12人死亡。

地方官员强调说,若开邦骚乱总体上得到了控制,局势相对平静,难民救助工作正加紧展开,正常的生产生活秩序正在恢复之中。

5月28日,来自若开邦兰里镇区的27岁若开族妇女玛迪达兑遭强奸、抢劫并被杀害。事发后,警方拘留了3名穆斯林嫌疑人。6月3日,10名穆斯林在乘车旅行途中被达洞勾地区的一些人打死。其后,骚乱蔓延到若开邦多个地区。

当局6月8日在孟都地区和布帝洞地区实施宵禁,10日又增加了实兑、丹兑、皎漂、兰里等4个宵禁地区。鉴于骚乱事态有进一步扩大的危险,缅甸总统吴登盛10日签署法令,宣布在若开邦实施紧急状态。

本月16日,当地法院判处杀害玛迪达兑的凶手死刑。中央政府成立的事件调查委员会正全面深入调查骚乱事件。

GOOGLE TRANS(trans may be wrong in some degree depend on google trans):
Rakhine State in Myanmar unrest death toll rose to 62

Xinhua Yangon, June 21 (Reporter Zhang Yunfei) Myanmar's Rakhine State, local officials met with local media at 21st Jun that in the past two weeks Rakhine State, 62 people died in the riot.

Rakhine state government Security Minister and Minister of Border Affairs, Colonel Sheng Lin told Xinhua by telephone, said the official news release on the 16th of this month introduced the situation, announced that as of 14-day death toll to 50. Subsequently, the individual local sporadic riots, 12 people were killed in riots in the town of Ladd Hall.

Local officials stressed that the Rakhine State riots in general has been controlled, the situation is relatively calm, refugee relief efforts are stepping up to start normal production and life order is being restored.

May 28, the 27-year-old from open Banglan township, Rakhine women Ma Dida against being rape, robbery and killed. After the incident, the police detained three Muslim suspects. June 3, 10 Muslims were killed in the car while traveling by local people of the hole hook region. Subsequently, the disturbances spread to many parts of Rakhine State.

Authorities June 8th imposed a curfew in the the Mengdu and cloth Timor-dong area on the 10th, Sittwe, 4 Dan against Kyaukpyu Langley curfew area. In view of the unrest situation the risk of further expanding the president of Myanmar Wu Dengsheng on the 10th signed a decree declaring a state of emergency in the Rakhine State.

On the 16th of this month, the local court sentenced to death on the murderer to kill Ma Dida against. Commission of Inquiry set up by the central government is conducting a comprehensive in-depth investigation of riots.
 
Umm I think I would rather believe the British Census figures from 1881, than some article written by Bangladeshi jamati.:lol:

Clearly shows that around 15% of the people in Arakan in 1881 were born in Bengal(Bangladesh). If you look at the birth rate of Bangladesh, that 70,000 Bangladeshis in 1881 are today 1.5 Million Ronhingyas. Makes sense.

Where is the source? Even if it says that, what is the guarantee that British census was correct?

Like it says in the article:

- Bamar king invaded Arakan a Buddhist kingdom with Muslim+Buddhist+Hindu population in 1784, many were killed and enslaved and many escaped to neighboring Chittagong
- in 1823 when Arakan was "liberated" by the British, many Arakanese went back during British rule to their former land and these are probably the people British census counted as born in Bengal
- these people are the oldest indigenous people this side of Arakan Yoma mountain speaking prakrit derived Chittagonian a very distinct dialect of Bengali, living in this area from prehistory
- Rakhine Buddhists are migrants just like Bamar's from the north near Yunan, China, that moved to this region 1200-1500 years back

I personally lived in Chittagong for a few years. For Bengali's from other parts it is hard to even understand this dialect, unless one becomes familiar over the years. This dialect is shared by both Chittagong and Arakan which was a single kingdom in history, going back to Hindu kingdoms. So Chittagonian and Arakanese Rohingya are essentially the same people, same ethnicity and same language. This is because Chittagong and Buddhist Arakan's history was always closely intertwined, both sides of the river Naaf. It got separated only for 40 years between Bamar rule 1784-1823 and 1937-present.

Never said it does. But these people should give up their hope for a separate muslim country.

They are not demanding that, stop the bs machine.

i heard these muslims are illegal migrants from very poor country called bangladesh ... and Myanmar is a autocratic nation,,, they dont take *s*h*i*t such as illegal migrants specially from a very poor muslim country called bangadesh ...
i hope India stop taking *s*h*i*t this and act like our great friend Mynmar... thr are around 50 million illegal bangladeshis in india..

They are local in Arakan, way before Rakhine buddhists moved there from Yunan, China. Educate yourself, before you open your mouth. And there are 30 million Bengali Muslims in all of West Bengal and other neighbor states, you are adding another 20 million and calling all of them illegal? I think India wants to take away their citizenship and then start ethnic cleansing, there can be no other explanation for this constant propaganda. There are no illegal migrants from Bangladesh, they your Bengali Muslims, deal with them and don't whine about them, if you don't like Muslims, because you are an Islamophobe and running your constant Hindutva (Hindu Nationalist) propaganda to dehumanize Muslims in India.

They don't but you can get a idea why the Burmese people don't like them. Its like imagine if Afghan refugees in Pakistan start demanding their own separate country carved out of Pakistan.

Yes it would be like Afghans wanting Khyber Pakhtun Khwa, because both places are indigenous homeland of these people.
 
A court has criticized the government for indulging in "petty votebank politics" and preventing action against three crore Bangladeshi nationals, who are illegally staying in the country and enjoying the benefits meant for the citizens of this land.

"It is unfortunate that while genuine citizens of this country continue to suffer in abject poverty, it is petty votebank politics which prevents a firm, resolute and intense government action against the three crore Bangladeshi nationals staying illegally in our country, enjoying the benefits which otherwise are the entitlements of citizens, thereby compelling the courts to step in," additional sessions judge Kamini Lau said.

Court: Bangla immigrant votes hamper eviction - Times Of India

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/bangla...l-bangladeshis-india-court.html#ixzz1yUGXeXMQ
 
Where is the source? Even if it says that, what is the guarantee that British census was correct?

And why wouldn't it be correct? Cause it doesn't align with your story? Census results are fairly accurate and the British didn't have any motive to falsely record 70,000 people in Arakan as Bangladeshis.

The source is right under that table, go dig it out.

Like it says in the article:

- Bamar king invaded Arakan a Buddhist kingdom with Muslim+Buddhist+Hindu population in 1784, many were killed and enslaved and many escaped to neighboring Chittagong
- in 1823 when Arakan was "liberated" by the British, many Arakanese went back during British rule to their former land and these are probably the people British census counted as born in Bengal
- these people are the oldest indigenous people this side of Arakan Yoma mountain speaking prakrit derived Chittagonian a very distinct dialect of Bengali, living in this area from prehistory
- Rakhine Buddhists are migrants just like Bamar's from the north near Yunan, China, that moved to this region 1200-1500 years back

Any source for this cool story? Am not going to believe Dr Habib Siddiquis story without a source.

I personally lived in Chittagong for a few years. For Bengali's from other parts it is hard to even understand this dialect, unless one becomes familiar over the years. This dialect is shared by both Chittagong and Arakan which was a single kingdom in history, going back to Hindu kingdoms. So Chittagonian and Arakanese Rohingya are essentially the same people, same ethnicity and same language. This is because Chittagong and Buddhist Arakan's history was always closely intertwined, both sides of the river Naaf. It got separated only for 40 years between Bamar rule 1784-1823 and 1937-present.

Which makes more sense, Rohingyas went to Arakan from the CHT region, which is why they share the dialect.


Yes it would be like Afghans wanting Khyber Pakhtun Khwa, because both places are indigenous homeland of these people.

No it would be like Tamil Indians demanding their own country in Malaysia, or Fijian Indians demanding their own country in Fiji or South Asians demanding their own country in UAE. See how stupid this sounds?
 
Yes it would be like Afghans wanting Khyber Pakhtun Khwa, because both places are indigenous homeland of these people.

There are more Pushtuns in Pakistan than in the world combined.

No it would be like Tamil Indians demanding their own country in Malaysia, or Fijian Indians demanding their own country in Fiji or South Asians demanding their own country in UAE. See how stupid this sounds?

It would be like Sikhs claiming Pakistani Punjab. They have historical ties with it.
 

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