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10 captives, Over 20 soldiers, including Commanding Officer killed at Galwan border clash with China

Conclusion:
  • Indian Army has not been able to reach the site of incident again to carryout BDA
  • Indian Army has no control over the situation at hand nor the situation on ground, territory is with PLA, hence no confirmed Casaulty figure

This does confirm the fact that the Indians were trying to do a surgical strike on chinese positions to improve the tactical situation for negiotiations.. and they failed !!!!
 
Ya. The fact most weapon send there are second rated. Not even a single J-20 is deployed. The elite unit is still at north east area of China facing Japan and Taiwan.
You know why we don't send the J-20 there? Because they will claim they shot down one by their mig21, by displaying a plastic PL-15 model:omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:
 
Ya. The fact most weapon send there are second rated. Not even a single J-20 is deployed. The elite unit is still at north east area of China facing Japan and Taiwan.

China can use DF-17 and Xian-H6K (with MOAB) to destroy Indian bunkers and roads if the war begins.
 
I'm sure Pakistam Army has shared notes with PLAAF on how to exploit the weakness of indian army as well as indian nationalism backbhome in india - that's why no statements on fron the likes of Modi from india.

Pakistan uploads pictures of LOC martyres on Twitter, they are gone from the world cant be brought back but their valiant pictures and their burials on youtube help appease the fascinations of blood thirsty saffrons back home in india. Even if equal number of hindu soldiers die in LOC, india never uploads their info or pics or last rites.

This is an age of information warfare too, and China is doing well on that front. india does not have an international sympathizer.

Sheltring & hosting/hiring a dissident from rival country is too fornulaic in indian strategy. They do it with Pakistan too but haven't extracted any practical results from this. They'll fail with Dalai Lama too. Have desperately failed in fact. Dalai Lama couldnt give india anything in his lifetime.

Your pilots are some of the best. We have a lot of experience to learn and training with PAF helps but still not as good experience. We may have good training but I think our pilots like some soldiers require hard war to improve our entire command and way of war down to small details of individual.
 
Lel, Indians, the people who deleted tiktok to promote their made in India delusion, and downloaded a Pakistani app, then realised their stupidity, are going to become a supa powa? Can't even run your own country, who tf wants make it the hub of the world?
There is a Pakistani app?
 
I think that we went over a tipping point yesterday. The situation is now quite unpredictable. While I still hold to my evaluation of earlier, the following things have changed - for the worse.
  1. There has been major violence.
  2. This cannot have been unplanned; these are not one or two accidental deaths.
  3. Either Beijing intended this to happen right through, OR
  4. Local commanders took matters into their own hands.
  5. The Indian political leadership has washed its hands of the situation and left it to the military leadership to sort out the problems that they created in the first place.
Now I don't want to predict anything; things have taken an ugly turn.

I don't know how the IA will react.

All's not quiet on the northern front, right?

Good thay you reneged from your earlier claims on the situation.

I know how the situation will go from here, many know that. But you often bring age/experience to checkmate the arguments from discussion participants, so I'll leave you with your age & experience to tell you whay lay ahead for india.

Allah-u-Akbar.
 
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OK...gonna call it a day.
Source?
 
Regarding China's casualties, personally I highly doubt China suffered any major casualties.

hypothetically let's assume the information that we got from the Indian side is true, why did the GT editor declare that the Chinese will not reveal their casualties? Indians claim the Chinese are not declaring the casualties to save face so that Xi is not embarrassed in front of his people, that is false, if the Chinese would want to save face then what they should do is "lie" (again I'm assuming the Indian sources are true) and say "we have 4 dead & 17 injured", instead of saying "we have casualties but we won't declare them" which is what the GT said.

But any way, that is just my opinion, could be right & could be wrong, I would rather just wait for more news, hopefully the Chinese side will change their mind on not disclosing any numbers & decide to give us some numbers.
 
Shit source. No where it says American Intelligence. Besides , it is probably quoting an indian source.

Also , real quality American intelligence go after washington post and likes of nytimes...not the source you have mentioned but judging by your post history.. Keep lying to yourself.
Read again
American intelligence: 35 Chinese troops killed in Ladakh
India, China Face Off in First Deadly Clash in Decades

Tensions between the two Asian powers are poised to escalate at a time of shifting influence in the region.
By Paul D. Shinkman, Senior Writer, National Security June 16, 2020



The Times of India reported hat 20 Indian army personnel had died in the fighting.

American intelligence believes 35 Chinese troops died, including one senior officer, a source familiar with that assessment tells U.S. News. The incident took place during a meeting in the mountainous region between the two sides – both of which had agreed to disarm – to determine how the two militaries would safely withdraw their presences from the region.

The meeting grew tense and resulted in a physical confrontation between the troops. According to the assessment, all of the casualties were from the use of batons and knives and from falls from the steep topography, the source says.

According to the U.S. assessment, the Chinese government considers the casualties among their troops as a humiliation for its armed forces and has not confirmed the numbers for fear of emboldening other adversaries, the source says.

The sources who spoke with the Times said 43 Chinese troops died in the fighting.

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Tensions have mounted in recent weeks around the area spanning in the northern India region of Ladakh and the southwestern Chinese region of Aksai Chin.

The border dispute comes at a time of shifting influence in the region. Beijing has become increasingly bold in its territorial ambitions in recent months, including in the East and South China seas, with U.S. officials saying it has successfully exploited global unrest from the ongoing coronavirus pandemic. At the same time India has enjoyed new and outsized support from the U.S. under the Trump administration, which sees India as a principal battleground for its own economic rivalry with China.

In an editorial in the semi-official Global Times, China said the tensions were caused by "arrogance and recklessness of the Indian side" and that officials there believed "their country's military is more powerful than China's." However the main focus of Beijing's ire was clear.

"The U.S. has wooed India with its Indo-Pacific Strategy, which adds to the abovementioned misjudgment of some Indian elite," according to the outlet, which is not a direct mouthpiece of the Chinese Communist Party but is considered aligned with its views. "New Delhi must be clear that the resources that the U.S. would invest in China-India relations are limited. What the U.S. would do is just extend a lever to India, which Washington can exploit to worsen India's ties with China, and make India dedicate itself to serving Washington's interests."

The Times of India documented harsh conditions at the site of the fighting in the mountainous region, including sub-freezing temperatures and high altitudes. The government there has claimed the face-off "was the result of an attempt by the Chinese side to unilaterally change the status quo of the region," the Times reported. It also cited a statement from a Chinese military spokesperson who reportedly said, "China always owns sovereignty over the Galwan Valley region."

Troops from the two countries last clashed in 1975, when four Indian soldiers died during an ambush in the Arunachal Pradesh region of northeast India.

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The U.S. government had not publicly commented on the skirmish as of Tuesday afternoon.

Trump visited India in February, further strengthening already close ties with Prime Minister Narendra Modi. The Trump administration has dramatically ramped up relations with New Delhi, including growing its trade relations and shifting its military policy. The U.S. in 2018 renamed its combatant command for the area "Indo-Pacific Command" – considered a break from prior administrations attempts to balance relations with India with its regional rivals, including Pakistan.


Paul D. Shinkman, Senior Writer, National Security

Paul Shinkman is a national security correspondent. He joined U.S. News & World Report in 2012 ...


https://www.usnews.com/news/world-r...ina-face-off-in-first-deadly-clash-in-decades
 
As usual its "sources" quoted by "experts". Its always "sources". Not a single reputed international source backs their claims. They just had to make it double of 20.
sikhs killed so called 10k Paktoons in peshawer
Chola incident numbers were magically risen to 400
1971 numbers were risen from 20k to 90k to 93k now
Last year they claim they shot down 2 f-16 and killed 350 people
and now this

Sorry bro but this is a mistake made by beijing. We have been dealing with this pest of a neighbor for a while.
The best way to beat them is to humiliate them to tears. Not releasing these numbers will give them a false perception of winning.
 

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