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052D可能最终停留在21艘

Wanting a blue water bave and acquiring one are two different things. PN was seeking OHP from the US and didnt seem to have a backup plan. Just like PAF there are ways for PN to think out od the box beyond surface ships and subs that will give it breathing space and the ability to power project throughout its EEZ and into the Arabian Sea.

1. Get better air support through the acquisition of a more robust ASW air arm. PN has a 6 P-3C orions and 3 ATR-72-500s i dont think the atr have the ability to launch missiles, but the Orions has the ability to carry numerous harpoons (i habe seen 6 at one time but all 10 hardpoints are capable of equipping harpoon) under the wings in addition to torpedos in its bombbay. In that same vein the Y-8GX6 from China can carry porbably equivalent numbers of weapons . getting 6 of these and equipping with a "local version" or CM400-AKG which would likely have a range of around 400km would be a blockade buster for sure. And at 350-400km range away from the target, the aircraft would likely be safe from air defense weapons and fighters of any potential carrier group, while the huge MAD will enable hunting of enemy submarines effectively. The bolstering of the ASW fleet will enable them to take over primary anti sub and anti-ship operations freeing up navy assigned/supporting JF-17 to focus on escort duty of these aircraft and air defense of the coast.

In addition to this the sea kings PN operates can fire the exocets, which gives another budget asset for anti shipping. I would invest (if i were PN) in Z-8 for SAR and Anti-shipping or the Mi-17 (preferrable because Pak already operates them so it will he logistically easier). Iran has married Mi-17 with the ability to field 2 C-802s. PN already fields C-802AK, which has a range of 230-250km. It could integrate them onto Mi-17.

Between Sea Kings, P-3C, Y-8GX6, JF-17 and Mi-17 backed by coastal defense missiles, the ACTUAL fleet (surface ships and subs) will have all the long range anti ship support it needs, in overwhelming fashion. The ranges of these missiles (180km harpoon, 120km exocet, 250km C-802AK, and 280-400km CM400-AKG) backed by AWACs and fighters, should keep air defense missiles of IN at distance and jf-17 should be able to keep fighters occupied long enough for other assets to make a run to safer shores. It could be a devestating salvo against any potential invading fleet.

2. Unmanned assets including UUV and UAVs. HALE and MALE UAVs will enable the navy to maintain aerial surveillance of large swaths of the EEZ in real time and in some intances (policing and antipiracy) strike hostiles. Strategically placed UUV can monitor for subs and ships and be used in some cases (possibly explosive laden uuv) as a remotely triggered mine to guard the sea floor.

This is in addition to efforts to expand the fleet, including subs and surface combatants, but it will allow the navy to focus large surface ships more on air defense and less on antiship.
 
This might be off-topic and people might not agree but i would love to see these in PN

Mistral-class amphibious assault ship

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Or Chinese version Type 081

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Plus these helis to go with the above ships

Ka-52 Alligator Attack Helicopter

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P.S. This heli reminds of the TV show "AirWolf"
 
Without Helicopter manufacturing in Pakistan , this Collasal Ship will not be of great benefit
It would be defenceless in a battle scenario

Also there is no funding to support such an aquisition in near future
 
It can match up and down, China's offshore defense is basically 056, 056 is cheaper, and the maintenance is cheap.
 
This might be off-topic and people might not agree but i would love to see these in PN

Mistral-class amphibious assault ship

mistral_2.jpg
5a0d4dd901344369efe299a5bc47c2676ba49a56.jpg


Or Chinese version Type 081

helicopcarrieramphib.png


Plus these helis to go with the above ships

Ka-52 Alligator Attack Helicopter

1c8dd4d0b6d92d25a9e8e5f1cabff092.jpeg
ka-524.jpg
1618378a2b199e75daeba76335f2f27d.jpg



P.S. This heli reminds of the TV show "AirWolf"
And what purpose they will answer in Pak Navy?
 
This might be off-topic and people might not agree but i would love to see these in PN

Mistral-class amphibious assault ship

mistral_2.jpg
5a0d4dd901344369efe299a5bc47c2676ba49a56.jpg


Or Chinese version Type 081

helicopcarrieramphib.png


Plus these helis to go with the above ships

Ka-52 Alligator Attack Helicopter

1c8dd4d0b6d92d25a9e8e5f1cabff092.jpeg
ka-524.jpg
1618378a2b199e75daeba76335f2f27d.jpg



P.S. This heli reminds of the TV show "AirWolf"
K-50/52 may be but mistral class is useless for PN, and tell me sir what is the purpose of AC and its a burden for PN and it will easy target for enemy's anti ship missiles (SATURATION ATTACK):hitwall:
 
This might be off-topic and people might not agree but i would love to see these in PN

Mistral-class amphibious assault ship

mistral_2.jpg
5a0d4dd901344369efe299a5bc47c2676ba49a56.jpg


Or Chinese version Type 081

helicopcarrieramphib.png


Plus these helis to go with the above ships

Ka-52 Alligator Attack Helicopter

1c8dd4d0b6d92d25a9e8e5f1cabff092.jpeg
ka-524.jpg
1618378a2b199e75daeba76335f2f27d.jpg



P.S. This heli reminds of the TV show "AirWolf"

So we have to assess what the use of such a ship is in PN. LHD and assault ships are,for precisely that purpose...assault. That is to say theybare for the assiatance of an invasion of another country. They carry troops and various ways to deliver those troops to the shore and provide them support. They will for example carry hovercraft and landing barges and large transport helicopters like Super Frelon, Z-8 Sea Stallion, etc to shuttle troops and equipment to the shore. They may also carry attack helicopters or VTOL aircraft like Harrier or JSF in order to provide air support to those troops.

Pakistan has no ambitions to invade any other country. Their is litterally zero need for such a ship and instead it would serve as a giant target for IN.
 
Ka52 is one hell of an helicopter, I always liked it, there is no match to it's quality and impact. It will be very difficult for pakistan to get it due to political climate and Bharat angle
 
The last batch of 052D, probably 8. 055 the first batch is 8. The next 055 will be the main Chinese warship. Considering the relationship between China and Pakistan, we should consider offering a 052D to Pakistan at low prices. Aegis warships, will enhance Pakistan sea combat.
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To protect CPEC and stay not involved till things go very wrong, China have to beef up Pakistani air and naval capabilities to next level, a blue water capable Navy and supporting air force will be good for China.
 
China has / have a policy not to get engage in others war. So expect no help in case of war other than equipment and supplies.
we did help Vietnam in 1960s and North Korea in 1950s. Did provide large amount of weapons to Pakistan at 1960s and 1970s war with India.

It depend. I mean now Pakistan is nuclear capable, even India won't dare to push it too hard. Unless they willing to suffer mutual destruction.

To protect CPEC and stay not involved till things go very wrong, China have to beef up Pakistani air and naval capabilities to next level, a blue water capable Navy and supporting air force will be good for China.
054A is coming to PN. If your economy keeps improving, we can expect 052D in the future.
 
we did help Vietnam in 1960s and North Korea in 1950s. Did provide large amount of weapons to Pakistan at 1960s and 1970s war with India.

It depend. I mean now Pakistan is nuclear capable, even India won't dare to push it too hard. Unless they willing to suffer mutual destruction.
I was not talking about help regarding ammunition but military help for example China refuses to send ships in order to remover or prevent naval blockade.
 
I was not talking about help regarding ammunition but military help for example China refuses to send ships in order to remover or prevent naval blockade.
In 1950, in the war of the entire anti American aggression and aid Korea, the Chinese people's voluntary army lost more than 390000 people in the battle.

I was not talking about help regarding ammunition but military help for example China refuses to send ships in order to remover or prevent naval blockade.
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In fact, this is a young man in Pakistan.
Asked Chinese military personnel in the CCTV program, if Pakistan needs, Chinese the aircraft carrier docked at Gwadar Port?
The answer is affirmative!
 

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