Done! Vietnam completes TPP bilateral negotiations with US, Japan; finishes talks with all parties

Kyle Sun · Aug 4, 2015

biendong said:
Chinese guys dream to much.

That Viets can finish all the bilateral negotiations in such a short time really shocks me.

The speed is never heard before. It costed china more than ten years to finish such eco negotiation.

Actually it does need that long time to bargain with western countries in order to protect our industries or interest .

biendong · Aug 4, 2015

Kyle Sun said:
That Viets can finish all the bilateral negotiations in such a short time really shocks me.

The speed is never heard before. It costed china more than ten years to finish such eco negotiation.

Actually it does need that long time to bargain with western countries in order to protect our industries or interest .

Problem is that US has quickly accepted our proposals. our delegate is totally surprised. :enjoy:

21stCentury · Aug 4, 2015

biendong said:
Problem is that US has quickly accepted our proposals. our delegate is totally surprised.

What was Vietnam's proposals for the TPP?

biendong · Aug 4, 2015

21stCentury said:
What was Vietnam's proposals for the TPP?

Ambassador of US to Vietnam said to media in Vietnam that Vietnam is the country get a most advantage when its joined in to TPP.

ĐÀM PHÁN TPP KẾT THÚC hôm 31/7 tại HAWAII | Chính trị | laodong.com.vn

FairAndUnbiased · Aug 4, 2015

biendong said:
Ambassador of US to Vietnam said to media in Vietnam that Vietnam is the country get a most advantage when its joined in to TPP.

ĐÀM PHÁN TPP KẾT THÚC hôm 31/7 tại HAWAII | Chính trị | laodong.com.vn

While I worked retail I was also sure to tell the customer they were getting a great deal with low prices, high quality and were very fashionable, young, beautiful, etc.

Kyle Sun · Aug 4, 2015

biendong said:
Problem is that US has quickly accepted our proposals. our delegate is totally surprised.

I do not know the detail clauses of your proposals.

But USA will not sacrifice their own interest . Even Japan is still fighting with Uncle Sam for the rice and beef issue .

Viet can not be the exception .

TaiShang · Aug 4, 2015

Viet said:
you can ask yourself why Vietnam and many others in the region are forced to seek security with the US?

And, in return, you can ask yourself why Vietnam and many others in the region (except Japan) are forced to seek security with China?

Viva_Viet · Aug 4, 2015

Nice, hope to see JP shifting its auto factories from none TPP nation Thailand to VN soon....VN will get rich and have lots of money to buy more warship, fighter to protect our East VN sea (SCS)

Huan · Aug 4, 2015

biendong said:
Problem is that US has quickly accepted our proposals. our delegate is totally surprised.

What are your proposals in that trade deal?

kankan326 · Aug 4, 2015

There is a Chinese idiom. “饮鸩止渴”. Drink poison water to quench thirst. Or in another explanation: Good for short term. Bad for long term. Very bad.

William Hung · Aug 4, 2015

seven7seven said:
Quite sad these Asian countries are so happy to lick white men's boots but don't want to co-operate more with neighbour, China, to drive them out of Asia. Well I guess they have been licking their boots for so long now, they have acquired the taste for it.

Thank you for being honest here. We Vietnamese already knew all along why you PDF Chinese commenters are so upset about things like TPP and always comment on US-Asian relations that has nothing to do with China (why would you care about VN-US TPP negotiation?). Its not because you cared about Viet Nam or the global trade dynamics, etc. It doesn’t matter for you guys if TPP is good or bad for Viet Nam.

So why do Chinese PDF members keep commenting? the answer is simply in the red part of your quote, you guys are hateful and can’t accept the fact that many of your neighbouring Asian countries choose to cooperate and have better opinion of the US and other countries than they do with China. And you are hateful and can not accept this reality because you have a misconception that China should be the center of Asia, or even the world, and to see your neighbouring countries cooperate with someone else and have better opinions of someone else is embarrasing and frustrates you. Reality does not align with our dream.

Hence, you guys resort to insults and personal attacks against countries that do decide to cooperate with the US or other countries. Whenever there are threads about US-VN relationship, US-Japan relationship or US-other Asian countries, you guys are always there ready to attack and insult. We can clearly see it is derived from your jealousy and frustration.

It is for the same reason when some members post an achievement of their country or something positive about their country, chinese members will always be quick to jump in the thread and downplay it and talk how China can do better. These behaviour comes from jealousy and a sense that China should be the center of attention here, not Japan, Vietnam, Indonesia, etc. It is understandable here on PDF as Pakistan is your friend and you want praise and attention from your friend, this is why I never post anything positive about Vietnam, for the sake of your sensitivity.

I understand your frustration. I will say this, China can one day in the future be the center of attention just like what you are dreaming of. First you just need to change your behaviour. Not a difficult task to do. You don’t need to think hard about your geo-strategic plan, economic plan to achieve this dream. You just need to change change your behaviour and mentality and things will become easier, it is actually quite simple.

@Nihonjin1051 , as a psychologist, what do you think of my opinion on this? or am I off?

TaiShang said:
And, in return, you can ask yourself why Vietnam and many others in the region (except Japan) are forced to seek security with China?

Vietnam seek security with China? you do know that Viet Nam is arming up herself against China right? It is also asking the US to remove the arms embargo for the same reason.

Not sure if you have mistyped or just being really delusional.

Viva_Viet · Aug 4, 2015

kankan326 said:
There is a Chinese idiom. “饮鸩止渴”. Drink poison water to quench thirst. Or in another explanation: Good for short term. Bad for long term. Very bad.

Are you mentioning to what Mr.Deng did in 1979 when surrenderred TW to US, Senkaku to Japan in order to get their investments ??

ComradeNam · Aug 4, 2015

frequency said:
You know why America is the land of free and China is not? Because they gave up control and went to seek freedom! That is why there is America today.

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Did you know Vietnam also has liberty statue same as American? Yeh too bad, the revolution of farmers took it down and melt it for scrap metal.

Hypersonicmissiles · Aug 4, 2015

Speeder 2 said:
you really think this a proud achievement?

The essense of TPP is an official contract for the economically weaker countries to sell themelves as serfs for life, because its domestic industries of all kinds will have no chance of being independent ever again under this contract. It is another form of colonialism in fact. On the contrary it is the most advantagous thing an economically poweful country could do. That's a major reason USA is so eager to push it.

TPP is designed to ensure US multinationals dominate their industry by increasing barriers to entry for domestic companies from other countries. This is why it's done in secret because there will be massive opposition to it from local people.

You have to agree to American dominated rules in order to get increased access to US market. It's basically giving up long term sovereignty for short term gain.

IP protection will ensure these smaller countries will never have their own brands as US multinationals will sue them including their government for not protecting the IP of American MNC.

China will never join the TPP. Otherwise China will never catch up technologically because Chinese companies will have enormous barriers to entry imposed on them.

In the long term, this is great news for China because Chinese companies will face less competition.

Developing countries that follow strict Western IP rules will never get their own companies. It's very difficult to skip the reverse engineering process to get the knowledge base and go straight to innovation without having that technological base.

China knows what the TPP is all about.
China doesn't want restrictions imposed on its companies from developing and eventually challenging US corporations.

Viva_Viet · Aug 4, 2015

In the long term, this is great news for China because Chinese companies will face less competition.

But
China must try to survive in the short term fist, cHINA WILL FACE WITH SUPER HIGH UNEMPLOYMENT RATE, export will tumple even worse, stock market scrash, housing bubble bursted etc....and if China still survive, US will make more harder rules for you guys ....so, enjoy !

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