Ashkenazi Jews descend from 350 people, scientists say

A1Kaid said:

You could argue there could have been a few individual families, but like I said Palestine was virtually all Muslim for the past centuries. Certainly no Jewish population there existed that was substantial enough to give offspring to Ashkenazi Jews or had contact with many Ashkenazi Jews.

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Certainly there were more than 350 Jews in Palestine.

Khazar isn't even a theory

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Its a theory and very silly one. Anyhow

1) You posted this research in order to prove a silly Khazar theory.
2) However research disproves the silly Khazar theory.

Next time try to read what u are posting.

Jews of today (Ashkenazi) are not of Palestinian lineage they are of mostly eastern Euro-mix lineage hence many have Caucasian features, you think ancient Jews look anything like Ashkenazi Jews of today?

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This is ancient Israeli according to Egyptian painting:


These are Ashkenazi Jews:

ozzy22 said:

Do you ever feel shame when posting patronizing/hateful articles about Muslims?

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Glad you asked. I don't feel shame because I have nothing to be ashamed of - I'm not posting lies and slander here - but I do get uncomfortable.

If some Pakistanis hadn't asked Zionists like myself to help them fight the atmosphere of blind hatred Pakistanis have been inculcated with since birth I probably wouldn't spend so much time here. But I think I've learned it's not just religion but overweening pride - hubris - that drives Pakistani hatred of Israel.

Pakistanis have been educated since birth not only to despise non-Muslims but to be proud of being Pakistani, despite the fact that in many ways Pakistanis often have little to be proud of, and by comparison with Israelis and Americans haven't accomplished much at all. This can be infuriating.

Pakistani leaders like Z.A. Bhutto (who knew better) rose to the top by betraying their superiors, supporters and obligations and feel utterly offended by Israel and Israeli leaders which they saw succeeding by adhering to ways superior in morality and legality to their own. They have had a lot to hide and know they need to divert the masses from realizing they're being hoodwinked. Jews are the scapegoat that doesn't butt back so no lie or calumny is too great if it serves their purpose.

The two hates - leaders and masses - have become mutually self-reinforcing. However the value tree they need to maintain to support Jew-hatred also destroys Pakistani polity by subordinating truth, justice, and individual civil and property rights below the quest for power. Hence the violence that has plagued Pakistan before its birth (Israel-hatred preceeded Hindu-hatred and Khalifat movement by about ten years, I think) and my conviction that the solution to many of Pakistan's ills can be found by embracing the Jewish State rather than rejecting it.

Solomon2 said:

Zionists like myself

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Glad you clearly stated so...Many of the Jews I know...They dont call themselves Zionists....

Solomon2 said:

Pakistanis have been educated since birth not only to despise non-Muslims but to be proud of being Pakistani, despite the fact that in many ways Pakistanis often have little to be proud of, and by comparison with Israelis and Americans haven't accomplished much at all. This can be infuriating.

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You actually think Pakistanis have been educated from birth to hate people? That’s like me saying that all Jews have been raised to hate non Jews, and to think that they are all inferior (Which I don’t believe). I don’t hate Jews or Israelis, I’m just against their government policies that they have for the Palestinians and I would have had that same opinion irrespective of what religious belief I had.

Solomon2 said:

Pakistani leaders like Z.A. Bhutto (who knew better) rose to the top by betraying their superiors, supporters and obligations and feel utterly offended by Israel and Israeli leaders which they saw succeeding by adhering to ways superior in morality and legality to their own. They have had a lot to hide and know they need to divert the masses from realizing they're being hoodwinked. Jews are the scapegoat that doesn't butt back so no lie or calumny is too great if it serves their purpose.

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I have not heard the Pakistani government try to divert attention from itself by using Israel or Jews.

Solomon2 said:

The two hates - leaders and masses - have become mutually self-reinforcing. However the value tree they need to maintain to support Jew-hatred also destroys Pakistani polity by subordinating truth, justice, and individual civil and property rights below the quest for power. Hence the violence that has plagued Pakistan before its birth (Israel-hatred preceeded Hindu-hatred and Khalifat movement by about ten years, I think) and my conviction that the solution to many of Pakistan's ills can be found by embracing the Jewish State rather than rejecting it.

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I have no problems embracing the Jewish state when the Israelis sincerely embrace a Palestinian state.

@Solomon2


You are the last person who should be talking about shame and slander. You have made an Internet career out of shame and slander with countless threads stereotyping and bashing Muslims and Islam. Now learn to accept the truth that most Ashkenazi Jews don't have Palestinian lineage.

Ashkenazis/Khazar jews are the absolute majority of jew and not semites not even in the slightest.
You recognize semites by their brown skin like all arabs from that region which are Semites which counts even Saudis partially semites. So this bullshit talk of Anti-semitism is just a normal thing jews do which are the biggest anti-semites that have existed through entire history.

I think among the Abrahamic religions, it is a well established belief that all humans are descendants of Adam and Eve. In the light of this belief, is there any need to research on races and lineages? Why Jews (or other morons for that matter) do this? Because from the very beginning, they are suffering with a complex that Jews are the chosen people of God, and that they are somehow superior beings. Obviously that is not correct. Moreover, a majority of Jews, especially those from Europe are illegitimate offspring of Romans who had taken Jewish women as slaves. I don't really see any reason to be proud of this kind of history where the entire lineage is illegitimate to begin with.

Solomon2 said:

How do you figure that?

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Look at the news.

Achkenazi Jews came from 350 people who lived in Europe. Hence European Jews are Europeans and not indigenous to Palestine.

In order to prove that European jews are indeed from Palestine, you'd have to show us any historical record of mass migration of Jews from Palestine to Europe after Arab conquests.

Please, show us any proof.

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ozzy22 said:

You actually think Pakistanis have been educated from birth to hate people?

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When you hear a fellow Pakistan condemn Israel or India or Christians etc. on the basis of a lie do you stay silent or correct him? If you don't correct him and oppose him publicly, you're condoning baseless hatred regardless of your personal feelings.

I have not heard the Pakistani government try to divert attention from itself by using Israel or Jews.

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Simply by not recognizing facts about Israel and Jews as truth and endorsing falsehoods instead Pakistanis elevate bigotry over human rights, corruption over honest and good government. I maintain that for Pakistan to change for the better Pakistan - it's government and its people - have to "switch teams" and support Israel over the Israel-destroyers.

I have no problems embracing the Jewish state when the Israelis sincerely embrace a Palestinian state.

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Israelis endorsed a two-state solution decades ago and Pakistan did nothing then. It's clear that there is no lie told about Israel by Arabs, no crime committed against Israelis by Arabs, that the Muslims of Pakistan will ever contradict or claim is criminal - or I would have seen it here. The message of the past twenty years is that there's always going to be some excuse seized upon or lie invented to legitimize killing Jews and Israelis.

A1Kaid said:

@Solomon2
You are the last person who should be talking about shame and slander. You have made an Internet career out of shame and slander with countless threads stereotyping and bashing Muslims and Islam.

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It's not slander when it's the truth, is it? Have you ever been able to point to a lie I've made? Do I not apologize and thank people who correct my factual errors?

Now learn to accept the truth that most Ashkenazi Jews don't have Palestinian lineage.

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500 and I already pointed out that you misrepresented - that is, you lied - about the report. That you don't feel shame about this - and that your Muslim fellows here don't call you to account about it - says more bad things about Islam and Muslims than anything I write, yes?[/quote]

The Sultan Erdogan said:

Achkenazi Jews came from 350 people who lived in Europe. Hence European Jews are Europeans -

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From 350 Jews LIVING in Europe WITH genetic middle east ancestry. You are using a word trick - two different meanings of the word "European" - to distort the truth.

SRBM2 said:

Ashkenazis/Khazar jews are the absolute majority of jew and not semites not even in the slightest.

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This report says otherwise. And it still needs to be confirmed.

You recognize semites by their brown skin like all arabs from that region which are Semites which counts even Saudis partially semites. So this bullshit talk of Anti-semitism is just a normal thing jews do which are the biggest anti-semites that have existed through entire history.

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Jews didn't invent the term anti-semitism. It was invented by Europeans in the nineteenth century when demeaning others on the basis of their religion wasn't socially acceptable but demeaning them on the basis of race was. It was only meant to and has only been applied to Jews and never was or is employed to refer to other Semites. Changing the meaning of the word now is the equivalent of changing the past to suit your pleasure.

Solomon2 said:

From 350 Jews LIVING in Europe WITH genetic middle east ancestry. You are using a word trick - two different meanings of the word "European" - to distort the truth.

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Stop being an idiot.

We ALL share some genetic information with Middle-East/Africa etc...because early human migration routes were these areas...

But it doesn't mean that we can go and take over African lands by saying "Hey, we have a genetic connection to this land. We came from here thousands of years ago"

If 350 Turks go to india and get mixed with local indians...and then after centuries and centuries...these 350 peoples become 8 million peoples who were born in india..raised in india...lived in india..and had indian culture for nearly 1000 years!...then do you think that they have any claim to Turkey (Anatolia)? Can they take over anatolian land and say "Hey, we have some connection to this land. **** off the natives living in anatolia..this is our land now!"

Absolutely not! At that point, those "turks" won't be turks but indians. Similarly, Jews of Europe were Europeans with nothing to do with indigenous Palestinians living in Palestine.