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How Does The British Military Split With An Independent Scotland?

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With a little more than a week to go before the referendum on Scottish separation from the United Kingdom, a "yes" vote by the Scottish people would see major institutional and political changes to the United Kingdom, not least of which would be sweeping changes to the country’s military, one of the world's biggest and one of only eight officially known to be armed with nuclear weapons. If Scotland votes for “yes,” it wants, according to the Scottish National Party, which has led the Yes campaign, 8 percent of the U.K.’s military assets, primarily naval ones, a share based on population.

Crucially, however, Scotland no longer wants to host Britain’s fleet of nuclear submarines and weapons, a long-term SNP policy goal. The British government has already called the split of U.K. military assets laughable.

“An independent Scotland’s claim on the Royal Navy would greatly weaken the carefully evolved whole, as bases, infrastructure, procurement, spares, personnel and training face a carve-up,” First Sea Lord, Adm. Sir George Zambellas, told the Daily Telegraph earlier this year. Independence would “damage the very heart of the capabilities that made up the Royal Navy and the Royal Marines,” the British navy's top officer said.

The most recent polls have shown a surge in support for the “yes” campaign, with one poll putting the nationalists ahead 51 percent to 49 percent last week, compared to a 22-point lead for the "no" just a month ago.

While Scotland wants to have its own military, operating on a budget of about $4.1 billion and with a strength of about 15,000 people plus 5,000 reservists, the U.K. government said that kind of spending would not be enough to establish and maintain a military of that size. By current U.K. Treasury statistics, Scotland contributes around $4 billion in defense spending per year, but only $3 billion is spent in Scotland, the independence camp says.

The SNP wants to take two frigates, a command platform, four mine-countermeasure vessels, two offshore patrol vessels, and six smaller patrol vessels and auxiliary support ships. It also wants as many as 12 Typhoon fighter jets and six Hercules C-130Js, and the creation of an Army brigade made up of British inventory. The independence camp's defense plan would also see the British submarine base at Faslane become joint headquarters for the newly formed Scottish armed forces.

Scottish personnel serving in the U.K.’s armed forces may be given a choice tomove across to the Scottish force. However, that option does not appear to be popular in Westminster.

“There would be a consequent loss of capability, particularly in the short term,” a report from the U.K. parliamentary Defense committee said. “The rUK [rest of United Kingdom] government would face a difficult decision about how to manage this shortfall when the financial resources available to do so would be reduced to a similar degree. This raises the very real prospect that the rUK would face the same level of threats to its defense and security as the U.K. faces today, but with armed forces which were less capable and resilient.”

But more importantly for the U.K., having to move its four Vanguard nuclear submarines based at Faslane and the nuclear weapons based in Culport would represent a logistics nightmare and jeopardize Britain's standing within NATO. As things stand, the U.K. wants to base its entire submarine fleet in Faslane, including the new Astute class subs, but should Scotland vote for independence, the submarines would stay in Plymouth and Portsmouth, England. The U.K.’s nuclear ballistic missile-carrying subs would be homeless because the facilities to host them do not exist in the rest of the U.K.

In a recent letter to British papers, Gen. Sir Richard Shirreff, who has recently stepped down as NATO’s deputy supreme allied commander for Europe, said Scotland's proposal to eject the submarines and weapons from the country would be “amateurish, unrealistic and lacking any clear strategic purpose,” as well as “dangerous." It would, Shirreff said, "leave Scotland, the U.K. and NATO weakened and less capable of dealing with the threats of today and tomorrow,” he said.

How Does The British Military Split With An Independent Scotland?
 
Ofcourse seperation would not happen- or else after scotland Ireland is waiting to happen-

Btw British submarine looks like a floating euro fighter typhoon- lol
 
Ofcourse seperation would not happen- or else after scotland Ireland is waiting to happen-

Btw British submarine looks like a floating euro fighter typhoon- lol
I am 100% sure that Scotland would be separated from UK and later on within this year or next we will see Ireland and Whales moving out. I think Pakistan has many men in Army-AirForce-Navy along with Paramilitary; surely we can provide them with men.
 
Once proponent of divide and rule is getting taste of its medicine.... Wow:rolleyes:
 
As per opinion polls ad surveys, there is a little gap between Yes and No votes. So we have to wait and see
 
We wish scotland freedom that it seeked for many years

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Its enough that Alex Furgeson ruled over england for decades
 
If Scotland becomes independent then the assets of the UK military are split according to population. The Scots have paid for these bases and equipment by their taxes so it is only fair that they get their fair share if they leave the union.

What the SNP have asked for looks very reasonable. Then they will obtain most of the capital equipment and bases needed and will need some extra money to set up their own command structure. There are plenty of Scots who can be drafted from the British military to man the new Scottish defence forces.

If the rest of UK does not give Scotland its fair share of all assets, then Scotland has no obligation to take it's fair share of UK debts.
 
inshallah there will be a free scottland…. may god help the scotts get independence… f the uk
Ameen. Scottish people are really awesome. Also I wish to see Ireland and Wales to get independent as soon as possible.

Also let us know more areas which Uk has in its ownership.
 
No partition is going to happen, but even if it does here is how they will share the military

Tank : Chassis - Scotland, Gun - Britain
Missiles : Rocket - Britain, Warhead - Scotland,
Submarine : Hull - Britain, Torpedoes - Scotland.,
Planes : Planes - Britain, Bombs and missiles - Scotland
Every Hand held gun : Barrel - Scotland, Butt - Britain

Like wise all the equipments...About manpower somebody suggest.....:D
 
I am 100% sure that Scotland would be separated from UK and later on within this year or next we will see Ireland and Whales moving out. I think Pakistan has many men in Army-AirForce-Navy along with Paramilitary; surely we can provide them with men.

Hahaha jokes on you.

I am so glad that the scots voted no. This is Great Britain. And it will remain great. You can say I have a soft spot for Brits, many good friends can be had over a pint eh?

All these Muslims jumping up and down at Scotland indepedance to weaken the UK further proves that Muslims given power would be far far worse to the world than westerners will ever be. So I guess it is good for the world that the west is dominating, lest the world remained in an archaic dark age forever.
 
All these Muslims jumping up and down at Scotland indepedance to weaken the UK further proves that Muslims given power would be far far worse to the world than westerners will ever be. So I guess it is good for the world that the west is dominating, lest the world remained in an archaic dark age forever.
Who said it was just Muslims jumping up and down for an Independant Scotland to weaken the UK. Sad it didn't turn out a yes vote, but it is only a matter of time there were a lot who wanted Independence.
 

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