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Pakistanis would never go to India for health services.

Only fools would go.

India is a third world country. India's services are nothing compared to the health services in the west or in the Gulf countries such as Saudi Arabia, the Emirates, Oman, and Qatar.


Medical tourism: In Indian hospitals, life-saving treatments for Pakistani patients

By Ferya Ilyas
Published: September 19, 2016
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For 11 years, Abdul Basit’s survival depended on how much time he spent under the phototherapy unit, bearing intense light and heat every day. As a newborn, Basit developed severe jaundice and was diagnosed to have Crigler–Najjar syndrome – a very rare inherited disorder in which bilirubin (a substance made by the liver) cannot be broken down and can cause brain damage and hearing loss.

For the first two months of his life, Basit underwent continuous phototherapy at a hospital to eliminate bilirubin from his blood and then continued it at home. But as he grew older and his skin thickened, the light penetration decreased making the process less effective. This meant missing school and other activities to spend more and more time under the bright blue lights.

Since liver transplant was the only permanent solution, Basit’s family started looking for possible options and learnt that the success rate for liver transplants done in Pakistan was very low. After thorough research and several recommendations, Basit’s family travelled to India in late 2015 for the life saving surgery.

‘Hospital equipped to deal with Congo virus’

Today, Basit lives a full life and is no more called ‘the golden boy’ or ‘little sunflower’. He is one of the many Pakistanis who travel to India each year for various medical services because they are either not available in Pakistan or are not of a good quality. A hub of medical tourism, India attracts hundreds of patients every year from not just Pakistan but all over the world. According to the 2015 Grant Thornton report, the medical tourism industry in India is worth $3 billion and with 20% increase expected in the number of medical tourists coming to the country, the industry is predicted to touch the $8 billion mark by 2020.

India, the neighbourhood doctor

Dr Anupam Sibal from Apollo Hospitals, where Basit was treated, says medical tourists visit India because several of its hospitals have built a reputation for high quality and cost effectiveness. “We at Apollo are driven by twin motives. First is to ensure the highest quality and outcomes comparable with the best institutions in the world. Second is to ensure that these world class services are available to the largest section of population possible at an affordable cost. Costs of high-end procedures are one-tenth of that in the West with outcomes and success rates remaining comparable to the best centres the world over,” he says.

In agreement, secretary general of Pakistan Medical Association (PMA) Dr Mirza Ali Azhar says there is no doubt or denial that healthcare services and medical education in India are far more superior to Pakistan’s. “There’s no difference of opinion on that. We accept our shortcomings and limitations. We wish if we cannot be as good as the UK or USA, we should at least try to be as good as India,” he stresses.

Reiterating Sibal’s point, the PMA official says quality and cost are the two reasons why patients choose India over Pakistan for certain treatments. “Take liver transplant. We don’t have many centres in Pakistan and the one I know about flies surgeons in to perform the transplant. You can imagine how costly the procedure would be,” he says.

In reference to patients travelling from Pakistan, Sibal says linkages between doctors from the two countries have traditionally been strong which helps in patients being managed more comprehensively before, during and after their treatment at Indian hospitals. “Telemedicine and regular interactions with clinicians in Pakistan also help in building trust and a connection between doctors and patients of the two countries,” he explains.

Of cultural similarities, Sibal says a shared history, common language, customs and cuisines have all meant that people from Pakistan prefer to choose Indian hospitals for their tertiary healthcare needs.

Overseas operations

Despite the ever-lasting tensions between India and Pakistan, patients continue to trickle through the border in search of better services at a lower cost. According to 2013 estimates, 15% to 20% of all foreign tourists coming to India annually are Pakistanis.

At Pims hospital, no Eid for burn victims

Every year, Sibal says hundreds of Pakistani patients use Apollo’s facilities, most particularly in New Delhi. “We witness a large number of cases of solid organ transplants, liver and combined liver-kidney transplants, at our hospitals. Patients for cancer care, neurosciences, gastroenterology and paediatrics and orthopaedics also use our facilities,” he states. Sibal says while some of these services are available in Pakistan, many advanced stage cases requiring access to technology like robotics and cyberknife are referred to them.

PMA’s Azhar adds patients from Pakistan, especially children, also travel to India for treatment of congenital heart defects. “The Indian city of Bangalore has a big centre for treatment of children with heart defects and it attracts young patients from around the region,” he states.

With India emerging as a surrogacy hub, Azhar says foreigners also fly to the country to rent a womb. “It is fairly common in India and we cannot have this facility in Pakistan because of the many religious and social issues it will give birth to. We are not aware if Pakistanis have gone to India for this option, but even if someone has it will be a highly hushed up matter given our opinion on surrogacy,” he states. A recently proposed bill in India calls for ban on commercial surrogacy and foreigners seeking surrogate mothers.

Healthcare professional Sumit Wadhwa, who runs a company named MediGuardians in India to facilitate foreign medical travellers, says most patients from Pakistan come to Delhi because of its close proximity to Lahore. “In that sense, the whole northern part of India becomes a viable option for Pakistani patients. Patients from Karachi prefer to go to Mumbai as it is easier to travel that route. Chennai is another favourite location,” he shares.

In the short span of four months, Wadhwa’s health-tech start-up has served seven Pakistani patients. The MediGuardians co-founder shares patients can connect to a doctor sitting in an Indian city for $15-20, start consultation and share their medical history from the comfort of their homes. “Doing this all on your own takes plenty of time and involves several middlemen; our website cuts short this chain of people and turnaround time,” he says.

Explaining the process, Wadhwa says once the patient decides to have a surgery in India, they are informed about the available choices. “The patients go through counselling and are told about the success rate, rules and regulations and other details. The patient then has to provide all the required documents before an invitation letter can be issued by the hospital where they will be treated,” he states.

From his experience, Wadhwa says he has realised that the number of Pakistanis will most likely increase if there is more awareness about the medical visa issued to those wanting to travel to India for healthcare services. “If all the rules are followed and there’s proper documentation, the medical visa is issued in three to four days as compared to 40 days for a tourist visa,” he says.

Lessons for Pakistan

Having been to Pakistan twice, MediGuardians’ Wadhwa says he can vouch for high quality of healthcare services in at least few of the fields. “Healthcare facilities for cardiology and electrophysiology in Pakistan are at par with developed countries; the hospitals have the latest technology and doctors are trained and have practiced abroad,” he says.

Apollo’s Sibal also agrees there are many good centres providing excellent healthcare in Pakistan. However, Wadhwa says certain segments are still not well developed such as cancer surgeries and liver transplants. “Pakistan will eventually excel in these fields as well but till then India becomes an obvious choice for those looking for a solution,” he explains.

Promotion case: Contempt notices issued against hospital officials

PMA’s Azhar says it is important to have life-saving treatments in the country so that patients don’t have to travel to another country. However, he laments Pakistan’s lack of focus on prevention. “We as a country work for cure which is expensive whereas prevention can be more useful. There’s vaccine for hepatitis and if we immunise the entire population we won’t have to worry about the disease,” he says.

Regretting Pakistan’s inability to prevent diseases and conditions such as polio, diarrhoea and dysentery, Azhar says just making sure each and every person has taken the basic vaccinations will have a big impact on the overall public health. But unfortunately, Azhar adds there is no trend for research in the healthcare industry. “The most we have is data from one centre in one city of our country. There’s no data on the national situation and no one’s interested in gathering it,” he laments. The PMA official says mass-scale campaigning via media is needed to raise awareness among the public.

Medical packages

Liver transplant costs around INR2,000,000, kidney transplant costs INR1,000,000 and cancer surgeries cost between INR500,000 to INR600,000. These packages include everything except for flights to and from home country and accommodation for pre and post surgery stages.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/118427...ls-life-saving-treatments-pakistani-patients/

This is Pakistani Link. So you cant say it is Indian Media distorting facts
 

Medical tourism: In Indian hospitals, life-saving treatments for Pakistani patients

By Ferya Ilyas
Published: September 19, 2016
2SHARES
SHARE TWEET EMAIL
1184276-medicaltourism-1474278519-190-640x480.jpg

DESIGN: NABEEL AHMED

For 11 years, Abdul Basit’s survival depended on how much time he spent under the phototherapy unit, bearing intense light and heat every day. As a newborn, Basit developed severe jaundice and was diagnosed to have Crigler–Najjar syndrome – a very rare inherited disorder in which bilirubin (a substance made by the liver) cannot be broken down and can cause brain damage and hearing loss.

For the first two months of his life, Basit underwent continuous phototherapy at a hospital to eliminate bilirubin from his blood and then continued it at home. But as he grew older and his skin thickened, the light penetration decreased making the process less effective. This meant missing school and other activities to spend more and more time under the bright blue lights.

Since liver transplant was the only permanent solution, Basit’s family started looking for possible options and learnt that the success rate for liver transplants done in Pakistan was very low. After thorough research and several recommendations, Basit’s family travelled to India in late 2015 for the life saving surgery.

‘Hospital equipped to deal with Congo virus’

Today, Basit lives a full life and is no more called ‘the golden boy’ or ‘little sunflower’. He is one of the many Pakistanis who travel to India each year for various medical services because they are either not available in Pakistan or are not of a good quality. A hub of medical tourism, India attracts hundreds of patients every year from not just Pakistan but all over the world. According to the 2015 Grant Thornton report, the medical tourism industry in India is worth $3 billion and with 20% increase expected in the number of medical tourists coming to the country, the industry is predicted to touch the $8 billion mark by 2020.

India, the neighbourhood doctor

Dr Anupam Sibal from Apollo Hospitals, where Basit was treated, says medical tourists visit India because several of its hospitals have built a reputation for high quality and cost effectiveness. “We at Apollo are driven by twin motives. First is to ensure the highest quality and outcomes comparable with the best institutions in the world. Second is to ensure that these world class services are available to the largest section of population possible at an affordable cost. Costs of high-end procedures are one-tenth of that in the West with outcomes and success rates remaining comparable to the best centres the world over,” he says.

In agreement, secretary general of Pakistan Medical Association (PMA) Dr Mirza Ali Azhar says there is no doubt or denial that healthcare services and medical education in India are far more superior to Pakistan’s. “There’s no difference of opinion on that. We accept our shortcomings and limitations. We wish if we cannot be as good as the UK or USA, we should at least try to be as good as India,” he stresses.

Reiterating Sibal’s point, the PMA official says quality and cost are the two reasons why patients choose India over Pakistan for certain treatments. “Take liver transplant. We don’t have many centres in Pakistan and the one I know about flies surgeons in to perform the transplant. You can imagine how costly the procedure would be,” he says.

In reference to patients travelling from Pakistan, Sibal says linkages between doctors from the two countries have traditionally been strong which helps in patients being managed more comprehensively before, during and after their treatment at Indian hospitals. “Telemedicine and regular interactions with clinicians in Pakistan also help in building trust and a connection between doctors and patients of the two countries,” he explains.

Of cultural similarities, Sibal says a shared history, common language, customs and cuisines have all meant that people from Pakistan prefer to choose Indian hospitals for their tertiary healthcare needs.

Overseas operations

Despite the ever-lasting tensions between India and Pakistan, patients continue to trickle through the border in search of better services at a lower cost. According to 2013 estimates, 15% to 20% of all foreign tourists coming to India annually are Pakistanis.

At Pims hospital, no Eid for burn victims

Every year, Sibal says hundreds of Pakistani patients use Apollo’s facilities, most particularly in New Delhi. “We witness a large number of cases of solid organ transplants, liver and combined liver-kidney transplants, at our hospitals. Patients for cancer care, neurosciences, gastroenterology and paediatrics and orthopaedics also use our facilities,” he states. Sibal says while some of these services are available in Pakistan, many advanced stage cases requiring access to technology like robotics and cyberknife are referred to them.

PMA’s Azhar adds patients from Pakistan, especially children, also travel to India for treatment of congenital heart defects. “The Indian city of Bangalore has a big centre for treatment of children with heart defects and it attracts young patients from around the region,” he states.

With India emerging as a surrogacy hub, Azhar says foreigners also fly to the country to rent a womb. “It is fairly common in India and we cannot have this facility in Pakistan because of the many religious and social issues it will give birth to. We are not aware if Pakistanis have gone to India for this option, but even if someone has it will be a highly hushed up matter given our opinion on surrogacy,” he states. A recently proposed bill in India calls for ban on commercial surrogacy and foreigners seeking surrogate mothers.

Healthcare professional Sumit Wadhwa, who runs a company named MediGuardians in India to facilitate foreign medical travellers, says most patients from Pakistan come to Delhi because of its close proximity to Lahore. “In that sense, the whole northern part of India becomes a viable option for Pakistani patients. Patients from Karachi prefer to go to Mumbai as it is easier to travel that route. Chennai is another favourite location,” he shares.

In the short span of four months, Wadhwa’s health-tech start-up has served seven Pakistani patients. The MediGuardians co-founder shares patients can connect to a doctor sitting in an Indian city for $15-20, start consultation and share their medical history from the comfort of their homes. “Doing this all on your own takes plenty of time and involves several middlemen; our website cuts short this chain of people and turnaround time,” he says.

Explaining the process, Wadhwa says once the patient decides to have a surgery in India, they are informed about the available choices. “The patients go through counselling and are told about the success rate, rules and regulations and other details. The patient then has to provide all the required documents before an invitation letter can be issued by the hospital where they will be treated,” he states.

From his experience, Wadhwa says he has realised that the number of Pakistanis will most likely increase if there is more awareness about the medical visa issued to those wanting to travel to India for healthcare services. “If all the rules are followed and there’s proper documentation, the medical visa is issued in three to four days as compared to 40 days for a tourist visa,” he says.

Lessons for Pakistan

Having been to Pakistan twice, MediGuardians’ Wadhwa says he can vouch for high quality of healthcare services in at least few of the fields. “Healthcare facilities for cardiology and electrophysiology in Pakistan are at par with developed countries; the hospitals have the latest technology and doctors are trained and have practiced abroad,” he says.

Apollo’s Sibal also agrees there are many good centres providing excellent healthcare in Pakistan. However, Wadhwa says certain segments are still not well developed such as cancer surgeries and liver transplants. “Pakistan will eventually excel in these fields as well but till then India becomes an obvious choice for those looking for a solution,” he explains.

Promotion case: Contempt notices issued against hospital officials

PMA’s Azhar says it is important to have life-saving treatments in the country so that patients don’t have to travel to another country. However, he laments Pakistan’s lack of focus on prevention. “We as a country work for cure which is expensive whereas prevention can be more useful. There’s vaccine for hepatitis and if we immunise the entire population we won’t have to worry about the disease,” he says.

Regretting Pakistan’s inability to prevent diseases and conditions such as polio, diarrhoea and dysentery, Azhar says just making sure each and every person has taken the basic vaccinations will have a big impact on the overall public health. But unfortunately, Azhar adds there is no trend for research in the healthcare industry. “The most we have is data from one centre in one city of our country. There’s no data on the national situation and no one’s interested in gathering it,” he laments. The PMA official says mass-scale campaigning via media is needed to raise awareness among the public.

Medical packages

Liver transplant costs around INR2,000,000, kidney transplant costs INR1,000,000 and cancer surgeries cost between INR500,000 to INR600,000. These packages include everything except for flights to and from home country and accommodation for pre and post surgery stages.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/118427...ls-life-saving-treatments-pakistani-patients/

This is Pakistani Link. So you cant say it is Indian Media distorting facts
The article is garbage.

I would never go to India for medical treatment.

Only the dirt-poor Pakistanis or those who are desperate for a treatment would go to India for treatment.

There are alternative choices like the gulf countries, China, Europe, Australia, and North America.
 
The article is garbage.

I would never go to India for medical treatment.

Only the dirt-poor Pakistanis or those who are desperate for a treatment would go to India for treatment.

There are alternative choices like the gulf countries, China, Europe, Australia, and North America.
Just saying that you personally will not go to India for treatment does not mean 1000's of Paksitanis are not coming

And @Taimoor Khan statement "Pakistanis come to India just to get organs donated for money by poor Indians" is height of ignorance and trolling.

Any patient who needs to come to India needs a Medical Visa. The situation between India and Pakistan is such that it requires thorough background checks. You need doctors certificates, donor details, hospital details, financial details etc.

You will not be able to just go to a seedy clinic in the bye lanes of Delhi. A proper hospital will have full donor details. Since donating organs for money is illegal in India you wont be able to just "Pay a poor Indian for his Kidney" No hospital will do an illegal organ transplant in a hospital just for a few lakh rupees

Incidently both of you are Pakistanis settled abroad so you may not come but for an average Pakistani living in Pakistan India is a great place for quality medical treatment at low cost
 
Just saying that you personally will not go to India for treatment does not mean 1000's of Paksitanis are not coming

And @Taimoor Khan statement "Pakistanis come to India just to get organs donated for money by poor Indians" is height of ignorance and trolling.

Any patient who needs to come to India needs a Medical Visa. The situation between India and Pakistan is such that it requires thorough background checks. You need doctors certificates, donor details, hospital details, financial details etc.

You will not be able to just go to a seedy clinic in the bye lanes of Delhi. A proper hospital will have full donor details. Since donating organs for money is illegal in India you wont be able to just "Pay a poor Indian for his Kidney" No hospital will do an illegal organ transplant in a hospital just for a few lakh rupees

Incidently both of you are Pakistanis settled abroad so you may not come but for an average Pakistani living in Pakistan India is a great place for quality medical treatment at low cost
Maybe those who are poor might go to India for medical treatment.

But those who are well educated, aristocratic, elites, bureaucrats, and middle class would never go to India for medical treatment.
 
Pakistanis would never go to India for health services.

Only fools would go.

It seems many wish to do so, and are denied by your government.

India is a third world country. India's services are nothing compared to the health services in the west or in the Gulf countries such as Saudi Arabia, the Emirates, Oman, and Qatar

While the health services are definitely not the best in the world, having lived in 4 countries I can tell you that nowhere else can you get such a level of services at this price.

Most procedures cost around 1/10 - 1/5 of what they would in an advanced country and many of the hospitals are world class.

But of course, as I said, since you are undoubtedly much richer than me it doesn't apply to you. Feel free to fly to Abu Dhabi to get your pace-maker installed. After all, what is better than to pay 10 times more for something just to make a point against your neighbor?

and middle class

How much does Pakistani middle class earn? As I told you, I earn more than the "middle class" in your country, and yet how come I can't afford these facilities you talk of?

If someone earning more than the top 0.1% of Pakistanis cannot afford something, how does the median earner afford it? Or is it that you really don't get it?
 
all i know is the middle class wont go to india for health services.
 
Maybe those who are poor might go to India for medical treatment.

But those who are well educated, aristocratic, elites, bureaucrats, and middle class would never go to India for medical treatment.

Then the rich and aristocratic can sponsor those poor people to get their treatment in ME. Why are they coming to India ?
 
lol middle class of Pakistanis wont go to India for health services.
 
Go through my posts and educate yourself. dont want to repeat myself over and over again to the hordes you Indians on this forum.

I really
Pakistanis would never go to India for health services.

Only fools would go.

India is a third world country. India's services are nothing compared to the health services in the west or in the Gulf countries such as Saudi Arabia, the Emirates, Oman, and Qatar.


Usually in the gulf countries the doctors are locals or western doctors from Europe, Australia and North America.

Also a majority from India and pakistan too, though they get paid a bit less if they don't have an mrcp or an ab certification
 
Then the rich and aristocratic can sponsor those poor people to get their treatment in ME. Why are they coming to India ?
There are many who are helping poor people like EDHI foundation.

you still dont get it, middle class of Pakistanis wont go to India for health services.

simple as that
 
Pakistanis would never go to India for health services.

Only fools would go.

India is a third world country. India's services are nothing compared to the health services in the west or in the Gulf countries such as Saudi Arabia, the Emirates, Oman, and Qatar.

Well Pakistani's are flying in flocks to India for treatment. LOL :p:

Hatred aside, you should seriously do some research about how many Pakistani's visit India YOY for health services alone before typing more nonsense. :-)

https://www.geo.tv/latest/140750-India-refuses-medical-visas-to-Pakistani-patients

An Excerpt from the above link;

Many Pakistani patients with liver, kidney and heart diseases travel to India every year for treatment. However, reports have emerged that these patients have continually being denied visas since last two months.

Now regarding the standards of Indian hospitals, our tier 1 hospitals are at par with not middle east but European and U.S standards. The reason why medical tourism is increasing rapidly every year.

http://www.business-standard.com/ar...t-arrivals-in-india-up-25-117041900577_1.html

But yes our most of our government hospitals lack a lot especially in rural areas, but still they are also getting better over the period. :)

Usually in the gulf countries the doctors are locals or western doctors from Europe, Australia and North America.

But still few of the top facilities are owned and Operated by Indian doctors. For Example;

Aster DM Healthcare

NMC Health

Zulekha Hospitals

Kims Dubai Medical Center

:)


 
Well Pakistani's are flying in flocks to India for treatment. LOL :p:

Hatred aside, you should seriously do some research about how many Pakistani's visit India YOY for health services alone before typing more nonsense. :-)

https://www.geo.tv/latest/140750-India-refuses-medical-visas-to-Pakistani-patients

An Excerpt from the above link;

Many Pakistani patients with liver, kidney and heart diseases travel to India every year for treatment. However, reports have emerged that these patients have continually being denied visas since last two months.

Now regarding the standards of Indian hospitals, our tier 1 hospitals are at par with not middle east but European and U.S standards. The reason why medical tourism is increasing rapidly every year.

http://www.business-standard.com/ar...t-arrivals-in-india-up-25-117041900577_1.html

But yes our most of our government hospitals lack a lot especially in rural areas, but still they are also getting better over the period. :)



But still few of the top facilities are owned and Operated by Indian doctors. For Example;

Aster DM Healthcare

NMC Health

Zulekha Hospitals

Kims Dubai Medical Center

:)

Middle class Pakistanis dont go to india for medical treatment
 
Middle class Pakistanis dont go to india for medical treatment
Your needle is stuck on a record. You have any proof that middle class Pakistanis dont come to India? We have shown proof of thousands of Pakistanis coming to India.

Even if these medical procedures are cheap in India they still cost 3-4 lakh rupees. Add to that travel and stay cost in foreign country. Can a poor Pakistani afford these costs? Sure some of them would be funded by NGOs but not all of the thousands that come.

The poor who come will be funded by NGOs.
The majority will be middle class
The rich and elite will go to europe or US
 
Your needle is stuck on a record. You have any proof that middle class Pakistanis dont come to India? We have shown proof of thousands of Pakistanis coming to India.

Even if these medical procedures are cheap in India they still cost 3-4 lakh rupees. Add to that travel and stay cost in foreign country. Can a poor Pakistani afford these costs? Sure some of them would be funded by NGOs but not all of the thousands that come.

The poor who come will be funded by NGOs.
The majority will be middle class
The rich and elite will go to europe or US
LOL dont make me laugh.

Nobody goes to India for medical treatment except for some who are poor.

Middle class do not go to India medical treatment. They go to gulf countries, North America, and Europe.
 
LOL dont make me laugh.

Nobody goes to India for medical treatment except for some who are poor.

Middle class do not go to India medical treatment. They go to gulf countries, North America, and Europe.

I know truth hurts bad sometimes , so much that you have concoct delusions to stay sane ....so stay sane , little brother :-)
 

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