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Pakistan, India Engaged in Race to Field Fifth Generation Stealth Fighters

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Pakistan is showing a more than casual interest in acquiring China's Chengdu J-20 fifth generation "stealth" multirole fighter even as India commits to developing its own indigenous stealth fighter modeled after Russia's Sukhoi PAK FA.

Sources in the Indian Armed Forces were quoted by Indian media as saying the J-20's appearance at the Zhuhai Air Show on Nov. 1, although lasting less than a minute, was enough to impress senior officers of the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) that were at China's largest military arms exhibit.

At the air show, two J-20s flown by the Bayi Aerobatic Team were put through very safe maneuvers that consisted of a very loud low level pass and a series of gentle turns. The unpainted J-20s then zoomed away.

The People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) said the J-20's disappointing "show" was necessary to prevent western spies from learning more about the jet.

"J-20 contains many of China's top technologies in stealth aircraft plus other military secrets that include the J-20's body shape, the proportion of its wing and body and other secrets as aircraft experts can easily calculate its stealth parameters from its exterior," said a PLAAF spokesman.

Nothing revealed by the J-20s at Zhuhai, however, dispelled the notion this jet isn't quite the equal of the F-35 as the Chinese claim it to be.

Despite the jet's less than sterling reviews, PAF is talking about buying the export variant of the J-20. This interest in a stealth jet now in low rate initial production might be due to India's renewed interest in producing its own stealth jet derived from the Sukhoi PAK FA, Russia's troubled, too expensive and underfunded stealth jet.

Last February, India and Russia revived talks to develop India's indigenous fifth generation stealth jet after Defense Minister Manohar Parrikar approved the project.

Indian Air Force sources said India's stealth jet will have capabilities equal to PAK FA T-50 aircraft (the designation for the prototype jet) a fifth-generation fighter. Russia has produced only six T-50 prototypes because of unexpectedly high cost escalation.

These same sources said India's stealth jet will be designed over the next few years, and will be more advanced than the T-50 in some aspects. India will contribute $3.7 billion to produce three flyable prototypes of its stealth fighter.

"The agreement has been completed on our end; we are ready to sign it. It is now down to the Indian side. There are some formalities to figure out, but I think it will be signed by the end of this year," said Sergei Chemezov, CEO of Russian weapons maker Rostech Corporation.

Chemzov noted the project "will produce a state of the art fighter jet, and it will be the result of the work on Russia's most modern technology done by both Russian and Indian engineers. As fifth generation, it means fifth generation speed, ballistics and military equipment, avionics and stealth capabilities among other qualities."

http://en.yibada.com/articles/17390...e-field-fifth-generation-stealth-fighters.htm
 
Pakistan has now joined the TFX project, so i'm not sure why this article is mentioning the J-20.

Pakistan didnt join any stealth project for very obvious financial reasons. We will be buying stealth fighters off the shelf and anything more is wishfull thinking. Turkish fighter hasnt even passed design phase. I dont know where you are getting your info but its wrong.
 
I think the J-31 is the quickest and the best option available for Pakistan at the moment.
 
Pakistan has now joined the TFX project, so i'm not sure why this article is mentioning the J-20.

Since the project started in 2015, inshaAllah the 1st prototype will fly by 2023, the 100th anniversary of the Republic. The Turkish folks need to work with Ashk-i Ibadet to finish it in the right time based on the experience from F-16 and F-35. No wonder they want to rope in the Pak folks for they know what to do (JF-17), and what not to do (Tejas)...



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Wait.So that FGFA thing agreement havent even signed yet?
"We are ready to sign"

So all that chest thumping by indians right from half decade ago that we are "Acquiring" .

Man!! These indians.

Kitna rola daaltey hain yaar.MMRCA pe bhi dimaagh pakaya hua tha barken maar maar ke. And now Even PAKFA agreement is yet to see day light and they blabber like Pakfa squadrons are ready to be deployed against Pakistan :D
 
What race ???

India is involved in co development of FGFA T50, sharing program cost.

Pakistan will acquire left overs from China, after they fulfil their requirement. Event if they decide to co develop some thing it will be a decade behind FGFA.

FGFA is reality and JFXX is only in thoughts for PDFians. Nothing committed from China, no designs, no infra setup for RnD and prototyping
 
Pakistan has now joined the TFX project, so i'm not sure why this article is mentioning the J-20.
There is literally no evidence that PAF has joined the TFX project, it has only expressed an interest at Turkey's offer of a joint venture; PAF has also expressed interest in the Chinese FC-31 project, NOT the J-20, since there is no export version of the J-20 on offer.

There is zero chance that there will be an export version of the J-20 for at least another decade, while the FC-31 is being made specifically for export purposes.
 
I am pretty sure Pakistan would not be only working on TFX. I think J 31 will also come

J31 too will take time. Only 2 prototypes builds so far. It will take some for the Chineese to absorb 5th gen technology. Realistically J31 will be inducted almost parallel to the timeline of Pakfa & J20.
 
What race ???

India is involved in co development of FGFA T50, sharing program cost.

Pakistan will acquire left overs from China, after they fulfil their requirement. Event if they decide to co develop some thing it will be a decade behind FGFA.

FGFA is reality and JFXX is only in thoughts for PDFians. Nothing committed from China, no designs, no infra setup for RnD and prototyping
The article is wrong on multiple facts. PAF has only expressed interest in the FC-31, due to the fact that an export version of the J-20 doesn't even exist, nor is it even on China's current agenda. It is possible that China may make a PAF specific version of the J-20 fighter (if PAF does express interest, and China gives in to Pakistani requests), as it has done in the past with previous fighters, but it is unlikely.

Also, your claim that the FGFA will be a decade ahead of any Chinese design, that's a bold claim to make. China already has two fighters on par with the PAK-FA, in development, one for domestic needs, and the other for export purposes. Both of the Chinese fighters seem to be developing fairly well. Right now, we only have capabilities of all these fighters on paper (both Russian and Chinese), the only way to get a proper gauge is if they were to fight (not necessarily against each other) in a real combat situation, but let's hope that never happens.

India is not in a race with anyone for fielding any aircraft.
Neither is Pakistan, all it wants to do is maintain a minimum deterrence. The article is click bait, and purely sensationalist.
 

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