IS PAKISTAN INTERESTED IN THE TURKISH TFX

[Path-Finder]

Too much khayali pulao...
Pakistan has not officially shown any interest in Turkish fighter project, and even if they did, they don't have many to invest in it. There 1st priorty is to replace aging F7 and older mirage. 150 of the older planes will have to be replaced by 2020.
Most of the budgey money will be spend in building JF-17 block 2 and R&D on block 3/4.
Some money will be used to acquire older F-16s and MLU, other will be spent to acquire small number of (18 to 36) true 4.5 generation fighter, possibly SU-35 with French tech.

Thinking ahead F16 will need to be put to scrap as well! That is why TFX for is being put into motion and the biggest problem with F16 has been the menstrual cycle of the americans who embargoed them. We need a reliable source and China(JF17) & Turkey are a reliable source. TFX may or may not fit as F16 replacement for Pak only time will tell.

 

[BetterPakistan]

Why not Sukhoi PAK FA? Turkish TFX is quite expensive compare to Sukhoi PAK FA and won't be better than Sukhoi PAK FA?

 

[war&peace]

Why not Sukhoi PAK FA? Turkish TFX is quite expensive compare to Sukhoi PAK FA and won't be better than Sukhoi PAK FA?

Why won't it be better than Pak-FA (I'm not objecting but I want to know your motivation / logic)

 

[BetterPakistan]

Why won't it be better than Pak-FA

TFX won't be more than some sort of US jets. Sukhoi PAK FA would be something new.
F-16 a quite old program and is not better than Sukhoi Su-35 which is cheaper than F-16 latest blocks.

 

[war&peace]

TFX won't be more than some sort of US jets. Sukhoi PAK FA would be something new.
F-16 a quite old program and is not better than Sukhoi Su-35 which is cheaper than F-16 latest blocks.

As if US jets are something inferior....USA still leads the Aerospace industry in the world. PAK-FA is still a technology demonstrator while USA has F-22, F-35 two 5th gen operational aircrafts while F-15 silent eagle is 4.5 gen and F-18 SH is 4+ gen heavy fighter and F-16 block 60 are 4 gen medium fighters with an excellent record.
You got it all wrong if you believe Su-35 is cheaper than F-16...what is your source of info?
Su-35 has a lot of technology but still not battle proven as Russia opted Su-34 long range bombers instead of Su-35 in Syria.

 

[cabatli_53]

Why not Sukhoi PAK FA? Turkish TFX is quite expensive compare to Sukhoi PAK FA and won't be better than Sukhoi PAK FA?

TFX is expensive compared to PAK-FA ? TF-X is not even exist. Where do you reach such information to compare with PAK-FA ? What about performance ? How do you know Turkish/British subsystem, sensor capabilities compared to Russians ?

 

[BetterPakistan]

TFX is expensive compared to PAK-FA ? TF-X is not even exist. Where do you reach such information to compare with PAK-FA ? What about performance ? How do you know Turkish/British subsystem, sensor capabilities compared to Russians ?

Sukhoi PAK-FA doesn't exist too.

Sukhoi PAK-FA will be equal to F-35 or better than that at half price.

 

[cabatli_53]

Sukhoi PAK-FA doesn't exist too.

Sukhoi PAK-FA will be equal to F-35 or better than that at half price.

Talking about your TF-X dreams must be your general habit but It doesn't make any sense to me !

 

[BetterPakistan]

Talking about your TF-X dreams must be your general habit but It doesn't make any sense to me !

just have a look at previous russian fighter jets and your ones (f-16s) and 15s and you will see the difference.

 

[cabatli_53]

just have a look at previous russian fighter jets and your ones (f-16s) and 15s and you will see the difference.

I don't have capability of realizing the difference between a Russian fighter prototype and non-existent fighter called TFX that is in its detail design phase.

 

[BetterPakistan]

I don't have capability of realizing the difference between a Russian fighter prototype and non-existent fighter called TFX that is in its detail design phase.

History pretty much tells us about Russian fighter jets and f-16-15s which your country uses.

 

[Paksanity]

Sukhoi PAK-FA doesn't exist too.

Sukhoi PAK-FA will be equal to F-35 or better than that at half price.

Sir please take a serious unbiased look when comparing Russian and US defence industry. US is far far ahead. There is no way PAKFA can even come close to F-35. Russian program is in serious trouble and might not even satisfy all requirements to be called a 5th gen fighter. Chinese are in better position to field their aircraft earlier than Russians. They too, however have serious shortcomings especially on the fields of engine, metallurgy and avionics. US leads by a great margin when it comes to stealth technologies. Let's accept the facts here. There must be strong reasons why US air supermacy remains unchallenged around the globe.

 

[BetterPakistan]

Sir please take a serious unbiased look when comparing Russian and US defence industry. US is far far ahead. There is no way PAKFA can even come close to F-35. Russian program is in serious trouble and might not even satisfy all requirements to be called a 5th gen fighter. Chinese are in better position to field their aircraft earlier than Russians. They too, however have serious shortcomings especially on the fields of engine, metallurgy and avionics. US leads by a great margin when it comes to stealth technologies. Let's accept the facts here. There must be strong reasons why US air supermacy remains unchallenged around the globe.

US have a big defense industry because NATO buys too much from US.
PAK FA when introduce gonna shock everyone.

 

[Paksanity]

US have a big defense industry because NATO buys too much from US.
PAK FA when introduce gonna shock everyone.

Even a Russian scientist working on the project wouldn't make such claims. I am not sure if you are personally involved in PAKFA development project. However history tells us that Western aircraft have shot down many more Russian aircraft than otherwise. I do not see how magically this is about to change. Till today US remains the only nation to operationally field stealth aircraft and has held this position since 1983. They have more than 30 years lead in this technology.

 

[war&peace]

Sukhoi PAK-FA doesn't exist too.

Sukhoi PAK-FA will be equal to F-35 or better than that at half price.

Okay kiddo, just tell you the facts. Russian airframes are you can say arguably better than Americans, more manoeuvrable, can go faster, have more power radars that can see far and wide, but their woes are in rest of avionics and but that's not their main weakness, their main weakness is in the engine department. Any Russian engine is behind its western counterparts. These have lower thrust, lower reliability and shorter MTBF as compared to even older gen F-16s. Until Russia is able to address those issues, it cannot compete with west. I feel that even China will produce better engines than Russians due to either copying technology from west and their own research as they have more funds available than Russia now.