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A lot of folks quote jet prices out of their ...

Most posters find one mention of an extreme that fits their views, i.e. very low if they like the aircraft
and very high if they don't and go with that as proof hence. At best the mention is from an uninformed
journalist and at worst from a fellow poster on any given forum.

Sometimes, you'll also find the case of a poor sap dividing a quote for a deal by the number of planes
which is correct but forgetting what else that contract covered. Recently, Qatar bought 24 Rafales
for example for 6.3 B €. So some went 6B divided by 24 and thus obtained a unit price of 250M € each.
They were of course forgetting training for the pilots & mechanics or these weapons : 300 MICA, 300
AASM 140 SCALP, 60 Exocets latest blocks and possibly Meteors in undisclosed amounts.
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The numbers above are not exact as explained in the source but still valid rough estimates. And for
any mil avia worth their salt, that's a lot of cash as such missiles are pricey. An export AASM costs
around 250 000 € by itself so that in this case, the weapons constitute about half the deal's worth.

There is a much simpler way to source the real price of a fighter. Simply go to the government that
had them made and check their documentation. For the Rafale that would be the French Sénat :

"aux conditions économiques de 2014, soit un coût unitaire
(hors coût de développement) de 73 millions d'euros pour le Rafale B
(pour 110 avions), 68 millions pour le Rafale C (pour 118 avions)
et 78 millions pour le Rafale M (pour 58 avions)."
Projet de loi de finances pour 2015 : Défense : équipement des forces

So a single Rafale costs an average of 73M €, far from the dreams of our above semi-trolls & fanboys.
I chose the 2014 price voluntarily as that fell within the last Defence Program Law that is now closed.
This price won't change much in the coming years but it can fluctuate. Inflation and exchange rates
will impact it and if the price could go up with new equipment, it should go down with added buys, be
those foreign or national, due to series effect.

This is very much the case with another fighter : the F-35. If you took the program cost and unit value
of the very first Lighting II together ( program costs are never supposed to be computed as they only
count for the government that started it ), stopped production and again applied it to that single jet by
way of a division, it should have come to between half and three-fourths of a Trillion $.
What? A 500B$ fighter? Yes!

The program continues to this day however so that with each new lot signed for, the unit price of the
F-35 goes down. In this case, concurrency or the fact of developing the planes after production has
started muddles things up a lot. Some fanboys including at the Pentagon dream of it costing the price
of a 1985 F-16 which alas won't happen but it will go down. Check here :
F-35 price 2016.png

http://www.saffm.hq.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-160208-044.pdf

In the FY 2016 columns, you find 64,467 M ( AC ) + 16,743 M ( Electronics ) + 13,060M for engines that
add up to 94,270M to which one adds the ECO (1,885M )but also non-recurring cost. Alas, the last is bundled
so that here, you do need to check quantities ( 47 to be bought this year ) and divide 438,085 by 47 to get
9,320M and a grand total of 105,475M $ per plane ( approx. 96.5 M € ).

Why then are some claiming that the F-35 could go down to say 85M $ a piece?
Simply put, contrary to our Rafale example, this plane has not yet achieved full production and the ac-
quisition costs above are based on the 2017FY. Next year, the price should come down by 2.5M$ each.
If the program goes well ( better might be in order here but still ), the F-35 will indeed cost less every year.
It was almost 10M $ more last year even if it won't go down by as much every 12 months.
Of course, that is not a guarantee as full post-development production is yet to come and it is the price
for those partner nations, others should expect to pay a bit more.
Still, 105.5M$ is not the final price of the JSF/Lightning II. It will dip below 100M, possibly below 90M.

There are many many variables that I have not mentioned but those 2 examples are sufficient for now.
For a finished product like Rafale F3+, pick last closed acquisition law. For an unfinished program, use
many years and check the evolution of its costs. BUT PLEASE ... in both instances, get your numbers
from
the people who designed and buy them, not from your neighbour's third cousin's landlord ...
even if he's a compatriot and posts news snippets on PDF or elsewhere!

And have a great evening all, Tay.

@MaarKhoor @WAJsal @Paksanity @Vauban @PARIKRAMA @Abingdonboy

and all those that you guys want to tag.
 
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Oh @Taygibay stop it, why provide us with facts? We all know you evil Frenchies are out to rob the Indian taxpayer and are charging $333 million per Rafale for the IAF.


By the way, using Tay's average Rafale cost of 73 million euros per Rafale, this would come to $79 million USD per Rafale at the current ER, even assuming a cost increase of 5% since 2014 (unlikely but let's project worse case) the Rafale's average unit cost would be $83 million USD.

Discounting the M version entirely (as this would play no part in the IAF procurement), the B/C's average unit cost comes to around 71 million Euros or around $78 million USD at today's ER. Again, assuming a 5% cost increase from 2014, an average B/C would cost $82 million USD today.

The Rafale C (single seat AF version) is about $74 million USD at today's ER, assuming a 5% price increase since 2014, this would be around $77 million USD today.



Full break down is as follows:

-Rafale B (two seat AF version)--->$80* million USD (2014)--->$84* million USD (in 2016 assuming a 5%** price increase from 2014 to 2016)
-Rafale C (single seat AF version)---> $74* million USD (2014)---> $77* million USD (in 2016 assuming a 5%** price increase from 2014 to 2016)
-Rafale M (single seat naval version, note no two seat naval version exists as of now) $85* million USD (2014)---> $89* million USD (in 2016 assuming a 5%** price increase from 2014 to 2016)

*all EUR-USD ERs are as of 27/2/2016 and thus subject to some degree of fluctuation depending on the ER base the GoI would be using as part of their ongoing talks with Dassualt


**5% is a "worst case" scenerio but worth factoring in, the unit price may actually have inflated well below this level



These are some seriously competitive prices, unless the IAF is asking for goldplating there is no reaosn to think any of the quoted prices so far put out in the media for unit cost are accurate. Even if the deal is $8BN for 36 jets one can safely assume this is with a hugely favourable support package (weapons, training, customisation, second base etc).

And as Tay has said, these are prices based on a sub-optimal production run, imagine a second production line (in India ;) )and the Magnac production line running at full steam, the unit price will tumble considerably.


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Well, you're right to fiddle with prices a little Abingdon but let's be careful. We're entering the many more
variables territory here.

For example, it would be correct to compare ( that wasn't the case here ) the max price of 78M€ of the M
version of the Rafale to the 105+M$ of the F-35 due to their numbers being near - 58/47 up there. But it would
be even more correct to wait for a 60ish F-35C order as both are naval variants.
Then in your case, you see a 5% increase but it may be more or less. Even without exchange rates, inflation
could add but since 48 more Rafales have been ordered since, the price should have come down on series?
And the same would apply to any other product.
The same goes for a local prod line. For few birds, it is costly but if you expand its run as you guys with the MKI
the cost per AC should come back down, etc.

It's in those details that the devil lies.

Have a great evening, Tay.
 
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Well, you're right to fiddle with prices a little Abingdon but let's be careful. We're entering the many morevariables territory here.
No doubt sir, the number of variables that factor into price changes year on year is horrific and would increase many fold if you include local production. I still think a 5% price increase for a 24 months period is on the extreme side but worth considering just to get a fairer picture of what may be on the table for India as of today.

To make any local production line in India viable the GoI is going to have to order a huge number for both the IAF and IN so as to realise long term economies of scale and justify such a vast capital investment, the Magnac production line would be the template and it was orginally designed to produce circa 300 Rafales (?).
 
the Magnac production line would be the template and it was orginally designed to produce circa 300 Rafales (?).

It's Mérignac mon ami, but yes it was initially meant to make 286-295 Raffys ... for France, that is!
Exports have never been factored in which relates to program cost mostly. They ( exports ) were still
expected of course but that plays on production tempo. The Mérignac line was built to accommodate 3
planes per month. It was the delay in finding exports that kept it a one aircraft only.
And that number ( 11 per year because we enjoy a month off ) was what the Fr govt and Dassault had
agreed to because below that rate, production would fall in the artisanal template and ... cost would rise!
So that covenant was strictly to ensure that Dassault would not end up subsidizing the MinDef/state.

One more of those variables and one that went away with the export deals.

Tay.
 
Oh @Taygibay stop it, why provide us with facts? We all know you evil Frenchies are out to rob the Indian taxpayer and are charging $333 million per Rafale for the IAF.
ouch thats was sharp! you alright there lad?

By the way, using Tay's average Rafale cost of 73 million euros per Rafale, this would come to $79 million USD per Rafale at the current ER, even assuming a cost increase of 5% since 2014 (unlikely but let's project worse case) the Rafale's average unit cost would be $83 million USD.

Discounting the M version entirely (as this would play no part in the IAF procurement), the B/C's average unit cost comes to around 71 million Euros or around $78 million USD at today's ER. Again, assuming a 5% cost increase from 2014, an average B/C would cost $82 million USD today.

The Rafale C (single seat AF version) is about $74 million USD at today's ER, assuming a 5% price increase since 2014, this would be around $77 million USD today.



Full break down is as follows:

-Rafale B (two seat AF version)--->$80* million USD (2014)--->$84* million USD (in 2016 assuming a 5% price increase from 2014 to 2016)
-Rafale C (single seat AF version)---> $74* million USD (2014)---> $77* million USD (in 2016 assuming a 5% price increase from 2014 to 2016)
-Rafale M (single seat naval version, note no two seat naval version exists as of now) $85* million USD (2014)---> $89* million USD (in 2016 assuming a 5% price increase from 2014 to 2016)

*all EUR-USD ERs are as of 27/2/2016 and thus subject to some degree of fluctuation depedning on the ER base the GoI would be using as part of their ongoing talks with Dassualt
the cost increase of the other variants is simply because the new jets have better kit, and was the better kit the cheaper kit? also 89 million for a rafale is cheap. but remember you only get the jet and nothing else.
our typhoons are north off 100 million and thats in queens currency, not dollars.

These are some seriously competitive prices, unless the IAF is asking for goldplating there is no reaosn to think any of the quoted prices so far put out in the media for unit cost are accurate. Even if the deal is $8BN for 36 jets one can safely assume this is with a hugely favourable support package (weapons, training, customisation, second base etc).

And as Tay has said, these are prices based on a sub-optimal production run, imagine a second production line (in India ;) )and the Magnac production line running at full steam, the unit price will tumble considerably.


+ this evidence is going to break some hearts :D
so you said $330 million per jets or $8 billion
now dont scold me here but this is what i think.
your not getting standard rafalesg they will be customg so that it will have a israeli hud among other things, and the ability to fit israeli python missiles also the astra missile too. this alone is a nightmare as the hud manufacturer has to make it so that it works on the jets perfectly. also mentioning the intregation of the astra, you also want the source codes too so you add other missiles later on, and thats not cheap, its like asking for 15 years of work for peanuts.

the maintaince for the full life of the jet is about the cost of the jet[excluding the engines], consider the price of the jet being about $83 million, so double it.and do remember the full life of a fighter is about 40 years
so 85*2= price of one jets with servicing and parts for the life of the plane so thats 170 million
170*36=6120 million or 6.12 billion call it 6.1 for the sake of making the number pretty
now theres 1.8 billion left.
from what i know dassault must 50% of the contract into india which is 4 billion this would be in the form of tech of transfer. which is where the 1.8 billion would go in to. work is not cheap. your asking for work that people bust their a$s for and it aint going cheap.

if india wants a cheaper price, then india must come down on the rot of 50% to about 35% like indoneasia. its still huge amount but much better than 50%.
 
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It's Mérignac mon ami
Noted, my apologies sir.

And that number ( 11 per year because we enjoy a month off ) was what the Fr govt and Dassault had
agreed to because below that rate, production would fall in the artisanal template and ... cost would rise!
So that covenant was strictly to ensure that Dassault would not end up subsidizing the MinDef/state.
I must say, the project managment by Dassualt and the French govt of the Rafale has been extraordinarily well executed and they are to reap the rewards for their commitment and foreward thinking. I highly doubt the F-35 will be as well run, poltics in the US always has a way of spoiling the game for everyone- just look at the F-22 and B-2 for recent examples.
 
Oh @Taygibay stop it, why provide us with facts? We all know you evil Frenchies are out to rob the Indian taxpayer and are charging $333 million per Rafale for the IAF.


By the way, using Tay's average Rafale cost of 73 million euros per Rafale, this would come to $79 million USD per Rafale at the current ER, even assuming a cost increase of 5% since 2014 (unlikely but let's project worse case) the Rafale's average unit cost would be $83 million USD.

Discounting the M version entirely (as this would play no part in the IAF procurement), the B/C's average unit cost comes to around 71 million Euros or around $78 million USD at today's ER. Again, assuming a 5% cost increase from 2014, an average B/C would cost $82 million USD today.

The Rafale C (single seat AF version) is about $74 million USD at today's ER, assuming a 5% price increase since 2014, this would be around $77 million USD today.



Full break down is as follows:

-Rafale B (two seat AF version)--->$80* million USD (2014)--->$84* million USD (in 2016 assuming a 5%** price increase from 2014 to 2016)
-Rafale C (single seat AF version)---> $74* million USD (2014)---> $77* million USD (in 2016 assuming a 5%** price increase from 2014 to 2016)
-Rafale M (single seat naval version, note no two seat naval version exists as of now) $85* million USD (2014)---> $89* million USD (in 2016 assuming a 5%** price increase from 2014 to 2016)

*all EUR-USD ERs are as of 27/2/2016 and thus subject to some degree of fluctuation depending on the ER base the GoI would be using as part of their ongoing talks with Dassualt


**5% is a "worst case" scenerio but worth factoring in, the unit price may actually have inflated well below this level



These are some seriously competitive prices, unless the IAF is asking for goldplating there is no reaosn to think any of the quoted prices so far put out in the media for unit cost are accurate. Even if the deal is $8BN for 36 jets one can safely assume this is with a hugely favourable support package (weapons, training, customisation, second base etc).

And as Tay has said, these are prices based on a sub-optimal production run, imagine a second production line (in India ;) )and the Magnac production line running at full steam, the unit price will tumble considerably.


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+ this evidence is going to break some hearts :D
also why is when you tag me i dont get an alert? @WebMaster
 
but remember you only get the jet and nothing else.
Correct.



your not detting standard rafales they will be custom so that it will have a israeli hud and the ability to fit israeli python missiles also the astra missile too. this alone is a nightmare as the hud manufacturer has to make it so that it works on the jets perfectly. also mentioning the intregation of the astra you want the source codes so you add other missiles later on, and thats not cheap, its like asking for 15 years of work for peanuts.
I don't think the IAF is interested in Israeli HUDs- there's nothing wrong with the Thales HUD and in fact Thales has a tie up with Samtal of India and can thus make those HUDs in India. What the IAF is insiting on is Israeli LDPs, specifically the LITENING G4. Yes, the cost of intergrating this with the Rafale will have to be factored in as will the option to install other third party (or Indian) equipment later on or intergrate third party/Indian weaponary but this was all covered under the MMRCA framework unser "customer nominated equipment".

the maintaince for the full life of the jet is about the cost of the jet, consider the price of the jet being about $83 million, so double it.and do remember the full life of a fighter is about 40 years
so 85*2= price of one jets with servicing and parts for the life of the plane so thats 170 million
170*36=6120 million or 6.12 billion call it 6.1 for the sake of making the number pretty
now theres 1.8 billion left.
from what i know dassault must 50% of the contract into india which is 4 billion this would be in the form of tech of transfer. which is where the 1.8 billion would go in to. work is not cheap. your asking for work that people bust their a$s for and it aint going cheap.
Right, so we are clear that we talking about through life costs (anincludingd support packages, weapons, training, ToT, customisation )now which is good. I think @Taygibay has already alluded to the fact that what has mistakenly been happening in some cases is people simply divide $8BN by 36 to then quote $330 million for the unit cost/flyaway of the Rafale and have not presented a nuanced analysis as you have.

+ if my friend @PARIKRAMA is to be beleived, the GoI/MoD/CNC is looking to get the deal below the $8BN figure.
 
Correct.




I don't think the IAF is interested in Israeli HUDs- there's nothing wrong with the Thales HUD and in fact Thales has a tie up with Samtal of India and can thus make those HUDs in India. What the IAF is insiting on is Israeli LDPs, specifically the LITENING G4. Yes, the cost of intergrating this with the Rafale will have to be factored in as will the option to install other third party (or Indian) equipment later on or intergrate third party/Indian weaponary but this was all covered under the MMRCA framework unser "customer nominated equipment".


Right, so we are clear that we talking about through life costs (anincludingd support packages, weapons, training, ToT, customisation )now which is good. I think @Taygibay has already alluded to the fact that what has mistakenly been happening in some cases is people simply divide $8BN by 36 to then quote $330 million for the unit cost/flyaway of the Rafale and have not presented a nuanced analysis as you have.

+ if my friend @PARIKRAMA is to be beleived, the GoI/MoD/CNC is looking to get the deal below the $8BN figure.
my bad on the hud, it was the pods, ldps and a few other bit's which i forgot. personaly the rot needs to be reduced. the last time i checed you wanted it to be 30% lower than at what it is at currently. btw you said it was 330 million per jet.
if you caal what i said an analysis then your wrong, im half asleep and im going on nescafe gold.
 
I highly doubt the F-35 will be as well run, poltics in the US always has a way of spoiling the game for everyone- just look at the F-22 and B-2 for recent examples.

Well, I would not blame politics directly for that. The incestuous relation known as the MIC, yes ... and also the
derived habit of considering budgets as infinitely stretchable. Having ultra high technology and expecting miracles
coupled with considering the sky to be a lower limit to be broken through as if it was a mere sound barrier goes
unchecked until spending has to be curbed with a shotgun as in F-22, DDG Zoomwaltz and other programs.
Proof being that it happens under just about all administrations regardless of political color!

... also why is when you tag me i dont get an alert?

Recurring problem mate, there's a thread to signal those to Webbie's attention here :
PDF Errors 2016 | Page 6

I don't think the IAF is interested in Israeli HUDs- there's nothing wrong with the Thales HUD

HMCS gentlemen, not HUD! But that should be a co-investment to be fair as it's the last real lack ( for now )
on the Raffy. France would benefit from it.


... im half asleep and im going on nescafe gold.

INSTANT? Shame and arghh*! Anathema and all these sort of things! I'm sure that's part of the SAS' secret!
Your lads can stomach anything so living off the land on extended missions is a cinch!
Being raised on haggis and assorted atrocities drowned in mint sauce will do that to you ...

And a great evening both and hi to the missus Tay.


* Shock and Awe the remix! :p:
 
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Alphabet Soup: PAUCs, APUCs, URFs, Cost Variances and Other Pricing Dodges

Alphabet Soup: PAUCs, APUCs, URFs, Cost Variances and Other Pricing Dodges | TIME.com

This page explains the difference between the price PAUC, APUC, URF. It shows the tips for the price seems low and the difference between the base year dollars and then year dollars.
Finally the price of the F-35 Then year APUC would be 135.7 million and $ 159.2 million in then year PAUC. All this considering as true projections of production of the F-35.


It is hard to know the price of the F-35 because you must track expenses over several years and LRIP, to have a price for a LRIP. L. M. communicates in general only the price of the last LRIP and never averaged over the entire production. We consider only the acquisition cost which does not count the cost of research and development, but even this limited cost the learning curve that the last LRIP is cheaper than all the others. Here is an example of the costs associated with a LRIP:

LRIP-8 contract costs (to December 19, 2015) USAF portion - 19 a / c

2013
Feb 28 $ 155,190,000 Long Lead iTem (LLT)
Sept18 $ 99,010,000 AF-LLT
2014
Jun 6 $ 27,890,266 - original spares
Sept 11 $ 25,651,224 - engines
Oct 30 $ 264,216,520; - Engines ($ 15m total ea)
Nov 21 $ 1,701,415,744; - Basic ($ 89m for 19 ea)
2015
Feb 13 $ 16,843,735 - electronic DMS

$ 2,290,217,489 / 19 = $ 120m

Most forumers would find 21 November 2014 "information" and assume that the price of LRIP 8 is $ 89 million while the real price is $ 120 million.
 
I only have one small doubt @Taygibay
If I remember correctly the French produced Rafale at flyaway has VAT close to 19.x% or round figure 20%. So is nt that added up in the airframe figure?

If yes, it's significant bcz then 64.467euro becomes euro 54 Mn without VAT and exports don't have VAT part.

Thus the figure of euro 105 MN becomes euro 85 Mn..

As and when more of jets are produced the real expenses of the airframe part cost or Euro 54 Mn will come down.. Significantly this figure has the potential to come down by say max upper limit of 12-15% on huge order base. Beyond that again not possible bcz fixed cost aspects will take over including the human capital cost part..

This your are absolutely correct every year for next 5 years we may see another 1.5-2 Mn Euro apprx cost decrease part ...

Thanks a lot Tay..
This is extremely good information..

For so long I have said prices are like these figures in multiple threads based on my own analysis of Senat report figures of 2013 and reducing VAT but most folks never believe that figure even though it's French senat figure!!

It now shows in clear terms for exports without VAT Rafale costs about euro 85 and I add some profit + weapons this holistic figure goes almost Euro 100 Mn

I had been saying India has been trying g to limit the price at Rs 800crs which is euro 105 Mn and we are looking at closing the deal at around 720 crs or almost Euro 94 Mn for big jets plus weapons package

At least now it gives a significant pointer towards that...

@Abingdonboy
It's in line with what I have always said and I also said it's the package which will be costly as planes and weapons are still euro 3.6 bn max.. It's the rest of package which is significant..


Sadly there is a MIS campaign going on to divide absolute total figure by 36 jets and say such a figure like 250-300mn dollars and paint Rafale as white elephant..

It should be duly noted how foolish our masses are that they latch onto such numbers and beat Rafale deal to pulp.. And alternatives of USA and Sweden gets advocated when their prices won't be dirt cheap anyway.
 
Oh @Taygibay stop it, why provide us with facts? We all know you evil Frenchies are out to rob the Indian taxpayer and are charging $333 million per Rafale for the IAF.


By the way, using Tay's average Rafale cost of 73 million euros per Rafale, this would come to $79 million USD per Rafale at the current ER, even assuming a cost increase of 5% since 2014 (unlikely but lets project worse case) the Rafale's average unit cost would be $83 million USD.

Discounting the M version entirely (as this would play no part in the IAF procurement), the B/C's average unit cost comes to around 71 million Euros or around $78 million USD at today's ER. Again, assuming a 5% cost increase from 2014, an average B/C would cost $82 million USD today.

The Rafale C (single seat AF version) is about $74 million USD at today's ER, assuming a 5% price increase since 2014, this would be around $77 million USD today.



Full break down is as follows:

-Rafale B (two seat AF version)--->$80* million USD (2014)--->$84* million USD (in 2016 assuming a 5%** price increase from 2014 to 2016)
-Rafale C (single seat AF version)---> $74* million USD (2014)---> $77* million USD (in 2016 assuming a 5%** price increase from 2014 to 2016)
-Rafale M (single seat naval version, note no two seat naval version exists as of now) $85* million USD (2014)---> $89* million USD (in 2016 assuming a 5%** price increase from 2014 to 2016)

*all EUR-USD ERs are as of 27/2/2016 and thus subject to some degree of fluctuation depending on the ER base the GoI would be using as part of their ongoing talks with Dassualt


**5% is a "worst case" scenerio but worth factoring in, the unit price may actually have inflated well below this level



These are some seriously competitive prices, unless the IAF is asking for goldplating there is no reaosn to think any of the quoted prices so far put out in the media for unit cost are accurate. Even if the deal is $8BN for 36 jets one can safely assume this is with a hugely favourable support package (weapons, training, customisation, second base etc).

And as Tay has said, these are prices based on a sub-optimal production run, imagine a second production line (in India ;) )and the Magnac production line running at full steam, the unit price will tumble considerably.


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+ this evidence is going to break some hearts :D

Hmmm , this seems a reasonable and logical one.
But if it is like it, then where us the deadlock.?
Even if I add 6 months of reserve spares, weapons, training, infrastructure, road map for future acquisitions, etc.... I don't see the price climbing beyond 7.

How are we talking about the range of 8~12 billions then ?

If I add that we may use some 3rd party parts and systems, which will require the manufacturers to slightly modify the systems(I am not talking Russian or Indian weapon systems but others like Israeli pods etc) , it still doesn't increase the price so much.
 
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