PAF is in Qatar with JF-17s and Mushaks.

[hassan1]

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Why not a month ago when there was an Airshow? I hope they are not there just for the sake of another demo that won't materialize into a sale. It seems strange considering we skipped the Airshow which means we don't consider it any beneficial for our sales and then a month later you are going to make sale to very same country . Maybe some political game is gong on in the background.

@MastanKhan You might want to see this

if PAF stays with flying and training and leaves the marketing for a dedicated and professional marketing company then such ambiguity wont happen. the least it can do is issue an explanation when it chose not to participate.. leaving everything to forum posters POV is hardly a good idea to market a product.

 

[Tameem]

if PAF stays with flying and training and leaves the marketing for a dedicated and professional marketing company then such ambiguity wont happen. the least it can do is issue an explanation when it chose not to participate.. leaving everything to forum posters POV is hardly a good idea to market a product.

For me, Not participating in Bahrain air show is obvious.............bcz you already in line with Qatar as you cannot sell a fighter jets to both.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

For me, Not participating in Bahrain air show is obvious.............bcz you already in line with Qatar as you cannot sell a fighter jets to both.

Pakistan cannot pitch the same fighter to countries which considers each other somewhat near enemies, if not true friends [Qatar-Bahrain marine borders are not defined and their are issue of armed skirmishes near each other possessive islands. (Although, at both ends Jawans mostly are of Pakistani origin and they always plays it safely)]

I dodnt know that. I thought issue is between Qatar and KSA.. and that too only mild one on political preferences between say Al-khwan vs Morsi ..
but it makes sense
thanks for clarifying.. how are you by the way

 

[Tameem]

I dodnt know that. I thought issue is between Qatar and KSA.. and that too only mild one on political preferences between say Al-khwan vs Morsi ..
but it makes sense
thanks for clarifying.. how are you by the way

I'm not sure now, but that was the situation between both countries sometimes back.
I'm......Well indeed, thks.

 

[Bratva]

I'm not sure now, but that was the situation between both countries sometimes back.
I'm......Well indeed, thks.

That sometime back was 20 years ago. They resolved all outstanding issued 10-15 years back. The main fight was on a resource rich Island. THat issue was resolved through International court of Justice.

 

[The Eagle]

That sometime back was 20 years ago. They resolved all outstanding issued 10-15 years back. The main fight was on a resource rich Island. THat issue was resolved through International court of Justice.

To me it was like we were already in contact with Qatar and knowing the necessity Bahrain Air Show wasn't preferred.

 

[LonE_WolF]

To me it was like we were already in contact with Qatar and knowing the necessity Bahrain Air Show wasn't preferred.

well it was said that PAF had some other commitments and for that reason they didn't go to Bahrain.
and this display at Qatar might be that "other commitment"

 

[The Eagle]

well it was said that PAF had some other commitments and for that reason they didn't go to Bahrain.
and this display at Qatar might be that "other commitment"

Yes... sometimes things are better kept secret till perfect time and so also it shows priorities for commitments

 

[thrilainmanila]

would you plz enlighten us about the necessary characteristics of 4th gen & 4.5th gen jet .... (no cheating plz google is not allowed)

a 4th generation fighter are fighters like the F-16C/D,F/A-18, mirage 2000/05,F-14,SU-30,Mig 29, J-10A/B, JAS-39C/D, F-15C/D, Fighters of this generation had a revolutionary design which separated them from there predecessor aircraft, like the F-4/F-5/SU-22/MIG21/23/Mirage III. The JF-17s design isn't like that its more like a hybrid between a legacy fighter and a 4th generation type fighter(its similar to the F-20 TIGERSHARK). the JF-17 has the potential to be a 4th generation fighter with IFR, AESA, etc but for it to be a 4.5 generation aircraft you need to change the design.

 

[MastanKhan]

With the JFT block III becoming a reality, I think in the case of many middle eastern governments, every nation should have it as this is a cheaper, but very capable fighter to have for "daily" use. You can keep your EFT's, Raales and other $ 70 million planes for tier I support during prime time conflicts. But maintain defensive alerts, CAP's, Pilot Hours and Combat training on the JFT. I think it provides the most bang for the buck. It will also diversify these countries air-forces to have two capable Weapons system (Western and this).

Remember, the JFT's internal layout and user interaction is based on the F-16 (Western) so it shouldn't be difficult to fly and adapt for any air-force which uses Western weapons systems and jets. I think you'll see the JFT block III in Qatar, KSA, Egypt, Sri Lanka, Miramar, Sudan, Nigeria and in Venezuela at the least. There may be others out there more than this list. Let the block III role out though

@Viper0011. ,

Why did I not think of that-------that is what my personal belief is----.

The 4.5 gen fighters are so expensive in flight and maintenance----so to keep their pilots upto date and sharp---all of these countries are going to need a 4th gen aircraft with low cost solutions----.

@WebMaster -----can we find a way that @Viper0011. is not banned by haters every other day. This guy is a serious asset on this board---.

 

[fatman17]

Qatar may replace its alpha jets with JF17 in the FGA role. Let's see what happens.

 

[fatman17]

Keep on jamming

 

[HRK]

a 4th generation fighter are fighters like the F-16C/D,F/A-18, mirage 2000/05,F-14,SU-30,Mig 29, J-10A/B, JAS-39C/D, F-15C/D, Fighters of this generation had a revolutionary design which separated them from there predecessor aircraft, like the F-4/F-5/SU-22/MIG21/23/Mirage III. The JF-17s design isn't like that its more like a hybrid between a legacy fighter and a 4th generation type fighter(its similar to the F-20 TIGERSHARK). the JF-17 has the potential to be a 4th generation fighter with IFR, AESA, etc but for it to be a 4.5 generation aircraft you need to change the design.

two points to ponder plz elaborate:

1- What revolutionary characteristics are you referring to, detail will be helpful (plz include characteristic of LEGACY FIGHTERS in your reply, it will be helpful to understand the difference of both fighter aircraft generations)
2- What is common in JF-17 and F-20 TIGERSHARK (plz elaborate in detail specially their designing aspects)

once done with it I will request you to plz post in detail about the point you made about redesigning of JF-17 to make it 4.5 generation

 

[HAIDER]

would you plz enlighten us about the necessary characteristics of 4th gen & 4.5th gen jet .... (no cheating plz google is not allowed)

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4th is conventional and 5th is stealth features or complete stealth.