Turkey shoots down "Russian Jet" near border

[Abingdonboy]

Mate, blaming Erdoğan, PM, goverment of Turkey, opposition of Turkey, US, NATO....it's meaningless. As they are not giving permission to pilots, to shot or not.

So who is giving such authority?

 

[Hakan]

Lattakian province

#1 that's not even latakia that's around Ayn Al-Arab.

#2
At Syrian border, therefore according kindergarten level logic Turkey supports PYD.

Let's see you admit you that you posted disinformation.


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The cruiser moskova was already being deployed to the Mediterranean before this event. The only new thing is S-400.

Well according to Turks, they warned the pilot 10 times in 17 seconds.

Prior to entering Turkish airspace even.

 

[haviZsultan]

Well according to Turks, they warned the pilot 10 times in 17 seconds.

If he was in Turkish territory how was one of the pilots found in Syria. I mean no offence to turkish brothers but there are always multiple views to any problem.

 

[-SINAN-]

So who is giving such authority?

Rules of Engagement (ROE) are rules or directives to military forces (including individuals) that define the circumstances, conditions, degree, and manner in which the use of force, or actions which might be construed as provocative, may be applied.[1] They provide authorization for and/or limits on, among other things, the use of force and the employment of certain specific capabilities.

 

[Hakan]

Thing seems turning to worst from bad. Russia now threaten to attack anything and going to deploy guided missile cruiser near lstakia to shoot down anything threaten fighter escorting bomber.

They can't attack anything without an extremely good reason. If they attack Turkey their Syria op is finished. The Turkish straits are closed to Russian war ships.

 

[-SINAN-]

This is supposed to be a defense forum.... yet people keep talking like 5th graders......

 

[RoadRunner401]

Turkey at that time only raised concerns....support for FSA only came through after they shoot our aircraft out of nowhere.


Mate, blaming Erdoğan, PM, goverment of Turkey, opposition of Turkey, US, NATO....it's meaningless. As they are not giving permission to pilots, to shot or not.

I'm saying again. Rules of Engagement changed in Syrian border in 2012. And we declared it to whole world. Knowing our RoE Russians should stay away from our borders. They violated and they got shot. If tomorrow, they violate again , they will be shot again. Simple as that.

Around a dozen Turkmen militias have formed, some directly supported by the Turkish government. It is one of these, Alwiya al-Ashar, that is reportedly killed one of Russia's downed pilots.




They have been fighting alongside other rebel groups, including the al-Qaeda affiliate Jabhat al-Nusra and more moderate brigades, in Latakia province which runs to the sea along the Turkish border in the north-west.

In recent days, thousands of civilians have fled over the border, saying they feared Russian bombing raids in support of regime forces in the area. Another 5,000 arrived at a refugee camp at Arfali, on the Syrian side of the border.

According to the governor of the Turkish province of Hatay, Ercan Topaca, 28 civilians arrived injured and one died in hospital.

The clash that led to the downing of the Russian jet today may be connected to that fighting.

Alwiya al-Ashar is linked to a Turkish and CIA-backed logistics supply programme that funnels a near-constant stream of small arms, ammunition, and cash for salaries to rebel groups across northern Syria.

 

[Hakan]

If he was in Turkish territory how was one of the pilots found in Syria. I mean no offence to turkish brothers but there are always multiple views to any problem.

Did you see the map? He was in a slice of Turkish territory, after he got shot the plane was still flying or crashing thus he landed in Syria.

 

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This is supposed to be a defense forum.... yet people keep talking like 5th graders......

What you expect from Putinbots ?

 

[-SINAN-]

If he was in Turkish territory how was one of the pilots found in Syria. I mean no offence to turkish brothers but there are always multiple views to any problem.

And TT knows nothing about linear momentum....and he even took his time to radar signature map, which has been posted many times in this thread....

 

[Hakan]

Around a dozen Turkmen militias have formed, some directly supported by the Turkish government. It is one of these, Alwiya al-Ashar, that is reportedly killed one of Russia's downed pilots.




They have been fighting alongside other rebel groups, including the al-Qaeda affiliate Jabhat al-Nusra and more moderate brigades, in Latakia province which runs to the sea along the Turkish border in the north-west.

In recent days, thousands of civilians have fled over the border, saying they feared Russian bombing raids in support of regime forces in the area. Another 5,000 arrived at a refugee camp at Arfali, on the Syrian side of the border.

According to the governor of the Turkish province of Hatay, Ercan Topaca, 28 civilians arrived injured and one died in hospital.

The clash that led to the downing of the Russian jet today may be connected to that fighting.

Alwiya al-Ashar is linked to a Turkish and CIA-backed logistics supply programme that funnels a near-constant stream of small arms, ammunition, and cash for salaries to rebel groups across northern Syria.

Downing 1 airplane doesn't make a difference. Air Force commanders and pilots may have been pissed by Russian bombing of Turkmens so they didn't miss the chance to shoot down a Russian jet as pay back.

 

[-SINAN-]

What you expect from Putinbots ?

Not only them...also Pakistani "Think Tanks"..... other elite users...this is just comedy. I mean if you don't know anything on the subject, just don't claim things...at least you won't look stupid that way.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Rules of Engagement (ROE) are rules or directives to military forces (including individuals) that define the circumstances, conditions, degree, and manner in which the use of force, or actions which might be construed as provocative, may be applied.[1] They provide authorization for and/or limits on, among other things, the use of force and the employment of certain specific capabilities.

I understand what ROE are, so what are the ROEs for the TuAF along the border with Syria? I sincerely doubt shoot-down authority is at the discretion of the induvidual pilots.

For example, in the UK when a RAF QRA intercepts a plane the PM or a senior cabinet offical will be in the loop should the plane fail to respond to warnings and should the threat perception be such that the order to shoot needs to be made by the aforementioned civlian officals. Turkey is a democracy is it not? Should the power to shoot down any planes during peace time not come from the civilian government?

 

[haviZsultan]

Did you see the map? He was in a slice of Turkish territory, after he got shot the plane was still flying or crashing thus he landed in Syria.

I see. Russians have a different view I see. No offense meant but what use is being in the US camp? Look what they did to Pakistan and we were their foremost allies.

 

[tugberksamur]

WTF? You share a long border with IS and other terrorist groups and they are rooted deep inside of Turkey.they are all potential targets of Russian AF and they will keep bombing them in future.deal with it.

Russian route was over 100 km from ISIS targets.They were bombing Turkmens who are in FSA. FSA is fighting against Assad forces and ISIS and this absolutely shows Russians' purpose.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Downing 1 airplane doesn't make a difference. Air Force commanders and pilots may have been pissed by Russian bombing of Turkmens so they didn't miss the chance to shoot down a Russian jet as pay back.

You don't engage a foriegn aircraft and risk a major international incident for "pay back"- that would be entirely improper and unprofessional. IF this is what has happened then Turkey needs to be removed from NATO, we can't have ourselves be at risk or liable for the mistakes of a few cowboys in the TuAF. I'm not having article 5 imposed for such pettiness.