China's new 'carrier killer' for Pakistan's JF-17 Thunder fighter

[CHI RULES]

The CM-400AKG is not an anti-ship weapon; its flight profile and propulsion suggest that it is more along the lines of an anti-radiation weapon than anything else.

If Pakistan wish to invest in heavy-duty anti-shipping capabilities, it should consider purchasing the air-launched YJ-12 (with a speed of Mach 3.5 and 400 km range), the ground- or naval-launched YJ-18 (with a speed of Mach 2.5-3.0 and 540 km range), or the ground- or naval-launched CX-1 (with a speed of Mach 2.8-3.0 and 280 km range).

Pak will have to develop a domestic version of YG12 due to Missile Export Intl Limitations up to 300KM. Further it would be better to have Anti ship Missile in range of 600KM to 1000Km in order to increase survivability of carrier Naval Fighter Jet. First of all Pak should acquire heavier Naval Twin Eng 4.5 gen Fighter Jet like J15 or J16 from China to carry such missiles effectively to attack AC carrier.

 

[Akasa]

Pak will have to develop a domestic version of YG12 due to Missile Export Intl Limitations up to 300KM. Further it would be better to have Anti ship Missile in range of 600KM to 1000Km in order to increase survivability of carrier Naval Fighter Jet. First of all Pak should acquire heavier Naval Twin Eng 4.5 gen Fighter Jet like J15 or J16 from China to carry such missiles effectively to attack AC carrier.

The J-15 and J-16 won't be exported since they use a Russian airframe.

 

[Penguin]

I never said PN will have25 subs,

I never said you said that.

What you think about current and future area denial capabilities of Pakistan?

Pakistan has a decent mix of long range coastal missile batteries, land based air with AShM, MPAs and large ASW heli's with AShM, and naval units (surface and subsurface). It is that layering that adds the complexity for an attacker..

Pakistan has coastal C602. IN addition to its surface and air launched c-802

 

[joekrish]

Quantity is not important for us, We have Mastermind pilots, they can kick you out.

And the quality of the fighters are out of the window?

 

[vitalsign]

And the quality of the fighters are out of the window?

None of your concern.

 

[CHI RULES]

The J-15 and J-16 won't be exported since they use a Russian airframe.

J15 and J16 are developments done endogenously by China, no Russian Air frames only engines are Russian which are also in limited numbers in development by China. Pak may go for a deal with China for J15 and J16 in similar way may purchase independently engines from Russia. Further China in Musharaf era offered J11 fighter jets to Pak which may have more similarities with SU27.

 

[Akasa]

J15 and J16 are developments done endogenously by China, no Russian Air frames only engines are Russian which are also in limited numbers in development by China. Pak may go for a deal with China for J15 and J16 in similar way may purchase independently engines from Russia. Further China in Musharaf era offered J11 fighter jets to Pak which may have more similarities with SU27.

These jets operate a Russian-designed airframe, which has proved to be quite a point of contention with regards to Beijing's relationship with Moscow. Yes, Beijing technically has the right to export these jets, but at the risk of harming relations with Moscow.

 

[gslv mk3]

You want a demo? Please do something so that we can test on you.

You have only 50 JF 17s..I hope you don't wanna lose one

 

[Pindi Boy]

This is how you attack a badly design India AC.. The India carrier is very limited by its design lol an island almost in the middle of the deck, what morron think that a good AC design. This will hamper(slow) the launch and recovery of the 24 mig 29... If Pakistan send say 24 jf 17 toward the India AC and is detected India will launch the migs to intercept. This will take time because of the limitation of the AC.. By the time the migs are launch and heading toward the 24 jf 17, the Pakistani should turn their fighter back home.. This is when the AC is vulnerable, the mig will chase the jf 17 or return to their AC because their fuel is running dry... About this time if Pakistan send in another group of jf 17 toward the India AC, they be without mig protection. The mig in the air need to land to refuel and because of the badly design of the AC it takes them too long to recover and put up a fully fuel mig to defend the carrier from the incoming jf 17..

This is how you attack a badly design India AC.. The India carrier is very limited by its design lol an island almost in the middle of the deck, what morron think that a good AC design. This will hamper(slow) the launch and recovery of the 24 mig 29... If Pakistan send say 24 jf 17 toward the India AC and is detected India will launch the migs to intercept. This will take time because of the limitation of the AC.. By the time the migs are launch and heading toward the 24 jf 17, the Pakistani should turn their fighter back home.. This is when the AC is vulnerable, the mig will chase the jf 17 or return to their AC because their fuel is running dry... About this time if Pakistan send in another group of jf 17 toward the India AC, they be without mig protection. The mig in the air need to land to refuel and because of the badly design of the AC it takes them too long to recover and put up a fully fuel mig to defend the carrier from the incoming jf 17..

GOOD JOB

45463tgrg

 

[black-hawk_101]

The latest visit of ACM to China might turn the table for PAF. As there is a possibility that PAF might get all the 3 versions of J-10s similar to JF-17s. Like:
50 J-10A/AS
50 J-10B/BS
50 J-10C/CS

50 JF-17 Block-I
50 JF-17 Block-II
50 JF-17 Block-III

Now, China is also keen towards War on Terror and also to impose pressure over India. Then they can sell these to PAF on cost to cost basis.

 

[ZAC1]

GOOD JOB
45463tgrg

well before turning back if 24 jf-17 fire 2 carrier killer missile each towards AC then what will be the scene .
Dnt forget our subs, c 602

 

[Viper0011.]

You are thoroughly underestimating a CSG's attack capabilities.
The US Navy Aircraft Carriers

BTW JF-17 engaging a MiG is one thing, winning against it is whole another thing.

Oh dear, PLEASE, for the love of God or Bhagvan or the Vedic times, please don't compare your little navy to a CBG of the USN. Both of your carriers COMBINED can't do HALF the operations that ONE USN CBG does!!!

When you get to that level, I won't mind doing an Apple to Apple analysis. Right now, the analysis is Apples to Tomatoes.

24 Mig-29 K's means one thing, when the war takes place, I can ASSURE you, that your carrier will be pushed out about 400 miles beyond the sea lines of Pakistan (and i mean the extended EEZ lines). So really, like 600-700 miles away from the port of Karachi (1200-1400 miles round trip!!!). Flying over the ocean from the carrier, you'd have much shorter combat radius to be anything effective via using your air assets against the port.

Next, the defense, well again, 24 jets defending a Carrier isn't that big of a deal. There are RARELY any carriers in existence (outside of the USN), which would support 24 consecutive carrier born jets and their ops. I can assure you of that too.

Your Russian carrier at a time is able to launch 4-8 jets and then there needs to be re-configuration of the launch platform. The USN always keeps 5 aircraft ready to go (Alert 5) and has a backup of 5, this is without war.

So do me a favor, learn about your naval capabilities before doing any comparison. Just to give you facts, the Indian AC would be a prize for the Pakistanis. I am more than sure that they won't mind sending 20 JFT's for it. Both Migs and JFT's will engage each other with BVR missiles and I am sure there will be casualties and the JFT's might not go back.

But 20-40 fired Supersonic cruise missiles with missile defense systems installed inside the missile, will overwhelm the AC's air defense system. Let's say, out of 40 or 20, even 20% of the missile force hits the AC (being very conservative), your AC flips over or becomes unusable for weeks. That is if a second attack isn't sent behind it to sink it. I won't be surprised if in a war (At this point with the PAF having good teeth and a potential naval arm in the next a couple of years), your AC's will be parked by Bombay or Sri Lanka.

The extension of Pakistan's recent EEZ did wonders. It has provided that "strategic Sea Line Depth) that Pakistan never had before and chances of Indian Navy doing a block-aid were very real.

Now the PN will be on a shopping spree buying many more missile boats, SUBs and Missile Frigates, many of which will be pushed out to the extended EEZ's so they are far from the traditional coast line, and can take out from behind, things forming an arch around the littoral coastline by Karachi.

In fact, a large enough number, can even put pressure on incoming Indian ships from the strait of Homez as those will be in easy missile reach of these PN ships out in the extended EEZ of Pakistan (trying to protect the ocean "exploratory activities". The Pakisanis have been playing their cards right and it's been interesting to see their strategy actually playing out very well.

 

[ZAC1]

if only 8 subs of ours in waters indian ACs will never dare to come close in . no need of air power no blockage nothing much IN can achieve .i salute PN for purchasing chinas S20.

 

[black-hawk_101]

But now it seems that PN might be looking to have their own fighter fleet may be with Su-35s or possible is the 80-100 Su-27s with latest upgrades that might bring them close to the SU-35s. This will allow the PN to guard better.

 

[dilpakistani]

JF 17 will have to fight with Mig 29 K And Su 30 to reach a Carrier

or it will just release weapons 250 KM away and avoid it at all