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Why a plebiscite is not possible in Kashmir.

My dear friend,
Downplaying my knowledge and questioning my reason-ability is not gonna help you tackle the questions. Now i would like to ask you something out of your own points.

1. Only Pakistan was supposed to withdraw it's troop and non-state assets from J&K, India was supposed to minimize it's force just enough to maintain civil administration and law & order, not completely withdraw. If you do not believe me, Please refer to UNSC reolution on Wikipedia or any other credible source other than Pakistani source. And hence Pakistan did not follow that resolution that time and waited to change the demographic in it's favor, It has no right to ask of it now.
And after that a comission was to be formed to overlook the fairness of plebiscite which would have contained members from internation community as well as Indian and Pakistani. So your objection to fairness of plebiscite in presence of minimized Indian force is not credible.

2. Let me tell you how free the government of so called AJK is.
The Azad Jammu and Kashmir Council is a supreme body consisting of 11 members, six from the government of Azad Jammu and Kashmir and five from the government of Pakistan. Its chairman/chief executive is the president of Pakistan. Other members of the council are the president and the prime minister of Azad Kashmir. You see that, out of 11 members, 5 are pakistani and 1 is Pakistan's president. As far as others are concerned, only those people are allowed to contest in election there who are pro-Pakistani. election candidates are prescreened to ensure that only those who support Kashmir?s union with Pakistan can contest elections. Anyone who wants to take part in public life in Azad Kashmir has to sign a pledge of loyalty to Pakistan, while anyone who publicly supports or peacefully works for an independent Kashmir faces persecution. There is a façade of an elected local government, but the federal government in Islamabad, the army and the intelligence agencies control all aspects of political life in Azad Kashmir.The military shows no tolerance for dissent and practically runs the region as a fiefdom. See how free the govt in Azad Kashmir is?

3. Please explain me how this works? After when Kashmir issue is solved, Pakistan govt will talk with china about ceded territory? What does it mean? When will Pakistan talk with China? Before or After Plebiscite? IF before, Then why did they ceded that area in the first place? IF after, then what about people of that area? will they take part in plebiscite or not? I do not think so. China is not going to give you back what you have gifted them.
BTW what was your right to give it to them in the first place? You say Kashmir is of Kashmiris, and still you gift wrap a part of territory to China, ithout asking anybody? It is such a hypocrisy.

4. Point 4 was a question, not argument

5. How would that happen? when did Chinese say that? Is that their official stand? last i checked they claim it their integral territory as part of Xinjiang province ( or whatever that place is called).

6. Most Importantly you have not answered the most important question which is point no. 2. in my discussion. How do you guarantee the originality of native Kashmiri in Azad Kashmir.


Did you even read the article i posted, as why it is not possible?
Do you have any reason or logical explanation to support your statement?
I think just having "K" word in name Pakistan which was supposed to be "K" of Kashmir, gives an identity crisis to Pakistani people. They know that whole of J&K is not in Pakistan, so they are confused whether to continue with word K in Pakistan or drop it. That is the reason behind identity crisis in Pakistan. Tell me what happens if Kashmir gets independent in plebiscite, will Pakistan drop "K" out of Pakistan , because i think that was the idea behind naming Pakistan in 1930's
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can you explain us how sir???

Article 370 is the worst thing Nehru ever did!!! if not for the article...Kashmir would have prosperous already!!!
Do not worry my friend, i think Namo would undo all the "kachra" of Nehru.

Was that supposed to be funny?
Was i supposed to laugh? Ok.. HAHA. Now what?
You still have not answered any of my question. Are you trying to hide behind some funny image? cover your ***
 
Do not worry my friend, i think Namo would undo all the "kachra" of Nehru.


Was that supposed to be funny?
Was i supposed to laugh? Ok.. HAHA. Now what?
You still have not answered any of my question. Are you trying to hide behind some funny image? cover your ***
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Why plebiscite in J&K is not possible in current scenario?

As we all have heard about Pakistan's continued demand for plebiscite in J&K, I would like to share my thoughts on the reasons why it is not possible in present scenario.


The resolution was passed by United Nation Security Council under chapter VI of UN Charter. Resolutions passed under Chapter VI of UN charter are considered non-binding and have no mandatory enforceability as opposed to the resolutions passed under chapter VII. Any resolution under chapter VI is non-mandatory. It is dependent on the will of the parties to follow it through or not. Hence it is not mandatory for India to conduct plebiscite in J&K. And since it is against India's national interest i do not see any reason why India should do it.


1. Even if a plebiscite was to happen according to United Nations Security Council 47, adopted on April 21, 1948, Pakistan was supposed to withdraw all of its forces from the territory which was the 1 condition of the resolution and which Pakistan did not until recently when Pakistan has changed the demography of the region with help of Islamist extremism in its favour. And result of that terrorism is the migration of Kashmiri pundit from valley. Unless these pundits and their successors are relocated in state, the plebiscite is not possible.


2. Pakistan has created a false govt. of so called azad Kashmir which is directly under Pakistan govt. but Pakistan has not done anything to safeguard the rights of Kashmiri in Azad Kashmir. what i mean is that nowadays the Azad Kashmir is full with Punjabi Sunni Muslims form Punjab province of Pakistan who pledge their allegiance to Pakistan and the native Kashmiri in Azad Kashmir are almost migrated to other parts. On the other hand India did everything to safeguard rights of Kashmiri with introduction of article 370. Pakistan now cannot guarantee the originality of the voters from Azad Kashmir in case of plebiscite. I mean IF there are no original voters from Azad Kashmir then what actually voting is worth of?


3. Pakistan has ceded a large area of Karakoram to China, are they going to ask back that area from Chinese, because if the plebiscite has to be done it has to be done in whole region of J&K.


4. Pakistan has created Gilgit-Baltistan as an autonomous region. They have deliberately cut that area from J&K and formed another state in Pakistan. Are they going to conduct the plebiscite there too? Because if plebiscite has to be done it has to be done according to pre 1947 J&K.


5. There lies another problem of Aksai-chin. How does the plebiscite happen there? I do not see “Democratic Republic” of China agreeing to their friend Pakistan in the process.


- Unless these questions are answered and given importance, I do not think any peaceful solution can come out of any kind of bilateral talk.


Are Pakistani really concerned about Kashmiri people?

OR

Is it just about just water of Jammu & Kashmir?

OR

Is it just about the personal vendetta due to 1971?

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Plebiscite or no plebiscite, Kashmir will be free.

Yes it will be free form terror of the so called non state actors
 
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Exactly.

You are admitting that India's reluctance to the plebiscite has nothing to do with Pakistan, nothing to do with demographics or history, but is purely for its own reasons.

I think you dont understand, Kashmir means whole Kashmir, not just Indian Kashmir. Why India is mature, and why not Pak?

Bro, you can talk about moral, emotions. But real world dont run like that,

if you ask me about solution, then tear down UN resolution, it has no value now. And start to think about out of the box thinking, giving more autonomy to Azad Kashmir and IAK as whole.
 
I think you dont understand, Kashmir means whole Kashmir, not just Indian Kashmir. Why India is mature, and why not Pak?

Bro, you can talk about moral, emotions. But real world dont run like that,

if you ask me about solution, then tear down UN resolution, it has no value now. And start to think about out of the box thinking, giving more autonomy to Azad Kashmir and IAK as whole.

Care to explain that bold part, eh my dear friend?
 
Anyways, gotta run...

Neither India nor Pakistan will risk having an independent Kashmir anyway..
 
Do not worry my friend, i think Namo would undo all the "kachra" of Nehru.
that is highly unlikely.. unless bjp friendly government takes the power in Kashmir!
 
Anyways, gotta run...

Neither India nor Pakistan will risk having an independent Kashmir anyway..
Well said. There is some reason for that too, because independent kashmir might just become mini Afghanistan for whole region, breeding ground for terrorist. , which would endanger India, Pakistan and China as well.

Btw, do care to convey your thoughts to that pretty chick in bhutto family who just got f***** up in London. I sincerely hope you do, so that it will bring peace and stability to the region.
 
Anyways, gotta run...

Neither India nor Pakistan will risk having an independent Kashmir anyway..

Yes, that is my point. Even Independent Kashmir is not viable without support from India or Pak, giving more autonomy in economics and politcs front is much better, let the tourism sector to prosper, and let the Kashmiris to take a big pie from it.


But I always say one, giving bitter pill to its own public is always good during honeymoon period, I think PM lost this chance.
 
that is highly unlikely.. unless bjp friendly government takes the power in Kashmir!
Mate, i do not know, how will he do it, but i trust NAMO always has an answer to every problem. He is a great strategist and resource friendly i have ever seen.
 
Debating Kashmir on this forum is tantamount to debating whether there is life after death :D
 
Debating Kashmir on this forum is tantamount to debating whether there is life after death :D
I hear you my dear friend.
i just wanted to show some logic on this forum who always cry about plebiscite in Kashmir.
 

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