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The Tejas Mark I will be one of the world's most affordable fighters in its class. Ministry of Defence (MoD) sources tell Business Standard that Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) has quoted a price of Rs 162 crore per aircraft for the first 20 Tejas fighters that have begun production in Bangalore. That translates into a dollar price of approximately $26 million a fighter.

This is a fraction of the cost of the comparable Mirage-2000, which was bought relatively cheaply in the 1980s, but is currently being upgraded for Rs 280 crore ($45 million) per fighter. On December 19, 2011, Defence Minister A K Antony had told Parliament that Thales would get Euro 1.4 billion (Rs 11,830 crore today) for upgrading the Indian Air Force (IAF) fleet of 49 Mirage-2000 fighters, while HAL would get Rs 2,020 crore, i.e., a total of Rs 13,850 crore. Since the upgrade will only be completed by 2021, that cost would rise further if the rupee falls.

Antony also told Parliament the IAF's fleet of 69 MiG-29 fighters was being upgraded for $964 million, that is about Rs 87 crore per fighter, over and above the acquisition cost.

The Sukhoi-30MKI, a heavier and, therefore, more expensive fighter that HAL builds in Nashik, currently costs the IAF more than Rs 400 crore ($65 million) each. The Rafale medium multi-role fighter, which is currently being negotiated with Dassault, could cost between Rs 750 crore and Rs 850 crore ($120-140 million) each.

The JF-17 Thunder, the Pakistan Air Force's new light fighter that was "co-developed" with China is believed to be marginally cheaper, at $23-24 million per aircraft. However, the Tejas is significantly more advanced than the JF-17, being built from composite materials, incorporating an advanced fly-by-wire system, and fitted with more advanced avionics.

The MoD is bargaining with HAL over the Tejas' Rs 162 crore price tag, pointing that HAL had, in 2006, quoted a unit price of Rs 116.49 crore per fighter. HAL argues the rupee's decline (some 45 per cent of the Tejas comes from abroad) and inflation over the past 8 years warrants a 40 per cent rise.

During a recent tour of the Tejas assembly line, Business Standard was briefed about HAL's initiatives to slash the cost of the Tejas, rendering it more attractive to the IAF. HAL's first step has been to target economy of scale by developing its assembly line and supply chains for 200 fighters, though the IAF has only committed to buying just 40 Tejas Mark I fighters so far.

In planning ambitiously, HAL has the MoD's support. Antony announced last month in Bangalore, when the Tejas was being inducted into the IAF, that about 200 fighters would be eventually built in Mark I and Mark II configurations.

By HAL's reckoning, these include 20 Tejas Mark I fighters in the current configuration; and 20 more once Final Operational Clearance is received at the end of 2014 (the IAF has already committed to buying these two squadrons). Next, HAL plans to build 84 Tejas Mark II (four squadrons). The navy has already ordered 8 Naval Tejas; and is planning to order 11 Naval Tejas trainers soon. When development is complete, about 46 Naval Tejas will be ordered for India's two indigenous aircraft carriers - INS Vikrant and its successor.

HAL is also developing a cost-effective supply chain by establishing Long Time Business Agreements (LTBAs) of 3-5 years with its sub-vendors. Instead of giving them piecemeal orders, HAL assures its sub-vendors of production orders for up to 40-50 aircraft sets. Having provided them business confidence and driven down prices, HAL negotiates yearly requirements with them in tandem with its production rate, ensuring the in-flow of raw materials and parts to keep the Tejas line rolling. As IAF/navy orders grow, these vendors are assured of further business provided their performance and prices remain satisfactory.

Long lead components, which require time to build and sometimes have a high rejection rate, have been identified and addressed. The Tejas line will have a high quality machining shop with state-of-the-art five-axis CNC machines. For critical parts like the Tejas' carbon composite wing skin, these machines will replace the manual drilling of 8,000 holes, using instead a computerised drilling programme that will reduce cycle time, errors and production cost.

"With measures like these, we will improve the Tejas' build quality and eliminate rework, rejection and delays. Bringing down the 'Standard Man Hour' for series production, when compared to building prototypes, will automatically reduce the production cost of the Tejas," says RK Tyagi, chairman of HAL.


HAL pegs price of Tejas fighter at Rs 162 crore | Business Standard
 
WOW. 26 million $ for a LCA !

It can fly further than the Mirage 2000 and carry slightly lesser load. But we pay 2.4 billion $ just to upgrade the 48 Mirage @ 45 million $ per upgrade to make it as powerful as LCA.

2.4 billion $ would get us 92 Brand new LCA :woot: in addition to the older 48 Mirage 2000

15 billion will get us 575 LCA as opposed to the 126 Rafale :D

The actual Rafale deal will cost us anything between 20-25 Billion $ which can actually buy us between 770 - 960 LCA's

If we pitch 126 Rafale against 800 LCA who would win the battle ?
 
WOW. 26 million $ for a LCA !

It can fly further than the Mirage 2000 and carry slightly lesser load. But we pay 2.4 billion $ just to upgrade the 48 Mirage @ 45 million $ per upgrade to make it as powerful as LCA.

2.4 billion $ would get us 92 Brand new LCA :woot: in addition to the older 48 Mirage 2000

15 billion will get us 575 LCA as opposed to the 126 Rafale :D

The actual Rafale deal will cost us anything between 20-25 Billion $ which can actually buy us between 770 - 960 LCA's

If we pitch 126 Rafale against 800 LCA who would win the battle ?

Welcome to the forum, child.

You will learn alot here..but I hope you channel your excitement in a positive way.

Also, why people are surprised here? I thought we knew all along that Tejas MK1 will be $25 to $30 million a piece.

Whats the big deal here?
 
:lol:..... no one comes to pdf to 'learn'.

I know. Many poor gullible indians come here in all their gullibility, only to learn the hard facts of life.

I still remember that in the aftermath of 2008, one indian member here wrote "I'm dead sure that this time Indian military will take action!! Enough is enough! We aren't letting Pak getting away with this? What kind of shameless nation they think we are? Just wait and watch, there will be a surgical strike back for sure..probably even more!!!" (paraphrased) ....and I told those gullible indians that they can not launch any surgical strike against Pak even if they want to because the military-calculus doesn't support such kind of action, and any surgical strike would cause more harm to india then benefit.

But gullible kids were set on fire....

Too bad, they, yet again, had to face the humiliation of the "harsh reality" on ground when PAF F-16s locked on Su-30MKIs and "escorted" them back to border....and they never returned since after :lol:

indians..even after all the pressure, humiliation, and fury...were forced to back down, yet again.
 
Welcome to the forum, child.

You will learn alot here..but I hope you channel your excitement in a positive way.

Also, why people are surprised here? I thought we knew all along that Tejas MK1 will be $25 to $30 million a piece.

Whats the big deal here?

no.....we didnt knew that

it was expected to cost $30-35 milllion per piece........

its indeed a gud news.....
 
PS, can any senior member tell that if basic specs of Tejas MK1 are out? Wikipedia has specifications for HAL Tejas MK1..are in they in right ball-park?

Specifications in wikipedia makes Tejas MK1 as a REALLY under-powered aircraft...I'm sure there is some catch. I mean, combat radius of just 330 km for LCA? Thats pathetic.

JF-17 Thunder block 1 has combat radius of 1,352 km, more than three-times of LCA with slightly superior payload, too?

There's definitely something missing....
 
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no.....we didnt knew that

it was expected to cost $30-35 milllion per piece........

its indeed a gud news.....

You didn't knew it cuz you are a junior member and hence not very knowledgeable.

Every senior member here knew from the right go that LCA will cost 25 to 30 million dollar a piece...

And its a good news that lca is FINALLY ready...still one or two years away..but its finally getting there after DECADES of wastage of time...
 
WOW. 26 million $ for a LCA !

If we pitch 126 Rafale against 800 LCA who would win the battle ?

dude, maintaining 800 ACs wont be an easier task..it will increase the opertional cost....and lets not forget we wud need those many highly skilled and trained pilots....Lets leave the numbers to chinese and focus on qualitative quantity.....as and when LCA platfrom matures, we wont buy birds like Rafale.....but Sukhoi is certainly going to be there for at least next 4 decades..
 
PS, can any senior member tell that if basic specs of Tejas MK1 are out? Wikipedia has specifications for HAL Tejas MK1..are in they in right ball-park?

Specifications in wikipedia makes Tejas MK1 as a REALLY under-powered aircraft...I'm sure there is some catch. I mean, combat radius of just 330 km for LCA? Thats pathetic.

JF-17 Thunder block 1 has combat radius of 1,352 km, more than three-times of LCA with slightly superior payload, too?

There's definitely something missing
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Hmmm yes even I had doubts regarding the combat radius but I guess that has to do with what PAF, IAF want to do with the planes. PAF plans jf-17 as a do all fighter (including deep strikes)and it must have traded some capabilities to get that kind of endurance(even gripen has a combat radius of 800km) and considering the poor fuel efficiency of the RD compared to the 404.
And regarding the under powered part I dont see how 1.07 t/w ratio as under powered and especially compared with the RD(which everyone knows is less efficienct,no fadec,less responsive than the 404).
 
dude, maintaining 800 ACs wont be an easier task..it will increase the opertional cost....and lets not forget we wud need those many highly skilled and trained pilots....Lets leave the numbers to chinese and focus on qualitative quantity.....as and when LCA platfrom matures, we wont buy birds like Rafale.....but Sukhoi is certainly going to be there for at least next 4 decades..

In which case let us reduce our aircraft strength to 10 aircrafts. That should make the maintenance easier. :coffee:

Large numbers provide a quality of their own. 300 Su-30MKI, 69 Mig 29, 48 Mirage 2000, 110 Jaguars, 45 Mig 29K (Navy) and 800 LCA will provide enough protection till the PAK FA and AMCA arrives.

Best part would be we get to keep the precious foreign exchange in India and recirculate that 20 billion $ to vitalize Indian economy including our Aerospace Industry.
 
In which case let us reduce our aircraft strength to 10 aircrafts. That should make the maintenance easier. :coffee:

Large numbers provide a quality of their own. 300 Su-30MKI, 69 Mig 29, 48 Mirage 2000, 110 Jaguars, 45 Mig 29K (Navy) and 800 LCA will provide enough protection till the PAK FA and AMCA arrives.

Best part would be we get to keep the precious foreign exchange in India and recirculate that 20 billion $ to vitalize Indian economy including our Aerospace Industry.

It's baffling that they don't order more Mk1 and get rid of all the vintage aircrafts. That mmove itself can save a lot of money, by not having to operate so many types. Mig-21s, 27s and early jaguars should go. However, we do need the Rafale and MKI, we cannot order a thousand LCAs and be done.

BTW you might want to change your avatar, which is a known fake pic.
 
First of all The JFT costs pak AF just 15 million for Block1.
The JFT Block 2 costs somewhere b/w 20-25 million.
This article says that Teja costs IAF abt 26 million and then claims Teja is superior which is again pure false.
The market prize for JFT B1 is 20-25 million that this article claims to be the prize for PAF's domestic production.

:yahoo: Indians will be indians
 
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