India, China set to ink border pact to prevent face-off

[anant_s]

NEW DELHI: India and China have moved closer to inking the new Border Defence Cooperation Agreement (BDCA) that outlines several confidence-building measures to defuse face-offs and tensions between rival troops along the unresolved Line of Actual Control (LAC).

A high-level Indian delegation, with representatives from the foreign and defence ministries, will go to Beijing in September to "fine-tune" the BDCA after India finalised its "second counter-draft" to the "revised draft" submitted by China earlier. "The final BDCA can now be settled across the table," said a source.

The BDCA goes "further" than earlier pacts like the 2005 joint protocol on the "modalities for implementation of military CBMs along the LAC" in charting out "more de-escalatory mechanisms" and military-to-military interactions to ensure local issues are settled locally between "local commanders on the ground".

The two sides, for instance, have agreed to additional BPM (border personnel meeting) set-ups in all the three sectors — western (Ladakh), middle (Uttarakhand, Himachal) and eastern (Sikkim, Arunachal) - to add to the existing ones at Chushul, Nathu La and Bum La.

While both sides have agreed to Kibuthu in Arunachal Pradesh, the BPM points in the western and middle sectors are yet to be pinpointed. "The Mana Pass-Lipulekh area in the middle sector has, however, not worked out so far. The aim is that the BPM mechanism should effectively kick in whenever there is a situation on the border," a source said.

India wants "greater predictability and stability in how incidents are handled" after the 21-day "unusual" face-off in April-May, during which the two rival armies pitched tents and carried out banner drills after PLA troops intruded 19 km into Depsang valley in the Daulat Beg Oldi (DBO) sector in Ladakh.

India has also proposed a DGMO-level hotline between the two armies, on the lines of the one New Delhi has with Islamabad. Conversely, there could be a hotline between the Eastern Army Command chief based in Kolkata and the commander of the Chinese Chengdu Military Area Command, which is responsible for Tibet and almost the entire LAC.

The first Chinese draft for the proposed BDCA submitted in March had raised the hackles of the defence ministry and Army because it suggested both sides should freeze existing troop and infrastructure levels along the LAC.

That came even as the government was getting ready to approve the overall Rs 90,000 crore proposal to raise a new mountain strike corps along with two "independent" infantry brigades and two "independent" armoured brigades (a total of over 80,000 soldiers) over the next eight years to plug operational gaps as well as acquire "some ground offensive capabilities" against China. India, after all, has lagged far behind China's massive build-up of military infrastructure along the LAC.

China later agreed to drop the clauses concerned in the BDCA draft. Then, on July 17, the Cabinet Committee on Security cleared raising of the new mountain corps and brigades.

India, China set to ink border pact to prevent face-off - The Times of India

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

We offered this new border pact almost a year ago.

But the Indian government dragged their feet, wary of looking like it was giving in to China.

Now, after the multiple so-called Chinese incursions at Chumar and elsewhere, and the India-Pakistan border killings (involving soldiers being mutilated and having their heads chopped off)...

It looks like the officials in Delhi have finally agreed to come to Beijing for this new border pact. If only they had agreed to it earlier, instead of being stubborn.

 

[RescueRanger]

Good, will lead to regional stability.

 

[third eye]

We offered this new border pact almost a year ago.

But the Indian government dragged their feet, wary of looking like it was giving in to China.

Now, after the multiple so-called Chinese incursions at Chumar and elsewhere, and the India-Pakistan border killings (involving soldiers being mutilated and having their heads chopped off)...

It looks like the officials in Delhi have finally agreed to come to Beijing for this new border pact. If only they had agreed to it earlier, instead of being stubborn.

Maybe there either were clauses that India felt needed re wording or insertion.

In any case no draft was exchanged then & maybe the modalities were being worked out ?

Everything that happens need not be in public.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Maybe there either were clauses that India felt needed re wording or insertion.

In any case no draft was exchanged then & maybe the modalities were being worked out ?

Everything that happens need not be in public.

Yes it is obvious they didn't like many of the clauses in it, which they felt would cause them to lose face if they accepted.

But now they are coming to Beijing, only because of the multiple border incidents with both China and Pakistan in the past few months.

 

[Enemy]

Yes it is obvious they didn't like many of the clauses in it, which they felt would cause them to lose face if they accepted.

But now they are coming to Beijing, only because of the multiple border incidents with both China and Pakistan in the past few months.

Indians know very well when to violate the treaty and invade China.

Is there any other book that talks so openly about when using violence is justified? When assassinating an enemy is useful? When killing domestic opponents is wise? How one uses secret agents? When one needs to sacrifice one's own secret agent? How the king can use women and children as spies and even assassins? When a nation should violate a treaty and invade its neighbor? Kautilya — and to my knowledge only Kautilya — addresses all those questions. In what cases must a king spy on his own people? How should a king test his ministers, even his own family members, to see if they are worthy of trust? When must a king kill a prince, his own son, who is heir to the throne? How does one protect a king from poison? What precautions must a king take against assassination by one's own wife? When is it appropriate to arrest a troublemaker on suspicion alone? When is torture justified? At some point, every reader wonders: Is there not one question that Kautilya found immoral, too terrible to ask in a book? No, not one. And this is what brings a frightful chill. But this is also why Kautilya was the first great, unrelenting political realist.

Arthashastra - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But it is India's gain that it has forced China to accept Indian additional offensive troops deployment and war preparation along the LaC as a reality.

 

[Abhishek_]

We offered this new border pact almost a year ago.

and it was unacceptable hence now it is being tweaked.

Now, after the multiple so-called Chinese incursions at Chumar and elsewhere

It looks like the officials in Delhi have finally agreed to come to Beijing for this new border pact. If only they had agreed to it earlier, instead of being stubborn.

sometimes the sheer naivete on display is unbelievable.

The meeting is simply a counter proposal from the indian side since the chinese draft was a joke.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

and it was unacceptable hence now it is being tweaked.
sometimes the sheer naivete on display is unbelievable.

The meeting is simply a counter proposal from the indian side since the chinese draft was a joke.

India has been crying non-stop these past few months.

First because a bunch of soldiers were mutilated and their heads were chopped off on the India-Pakistan border.

Then because China made an incursion in Chumar and forced them to demolish all their bunkers and cancel all troop patrols.

Now because another bunch of soldiers were killed on the India-Pakistan border.

There is so much crying but nothing is done about it. We made the pro-active step of coming up with a proposal for a new border pact, India is only entertaining it because they feel helpless on the border against China and Pakistan.

 

[AADHAAR]

India has been crying non-stop these past few months.

First because a bunch of soldiers were mutilated and their heads were chopped off on the India-Pakistan border.

Then because China made an incursion in Chumar and forced them to demolish all their bunkers and cancel all troop patrols.

Now because another bunch of soldiers were killed on the India-Pakistan border.

There is so much crying but nothing is done about it. We made the pro-active step of coming up with a proposal for a new border pact, India is only entertaining it because they feel helpless on the border against China and Pakistan.

You are the only one who is crying ....

Our dear supa-powwah with the "tent".

 

[third eye]

and it was unacceptable hence now it is being tweaked.
sometimes the sheer naivete on display is unbelievable.

The meeting is simply a counter proposal from the indian side since the chinese draft was a joke.

You are wasting your time.

You can drag a horse to water but cannot force it to drink.

Ppl who have a self assumed complex of ' know it all' will always insist that their POV is what the ' inside story' is.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

You are the only one who is crying ....

Our dear supa-powwah with the "tent".

Indian troops suspend patrols at Chumar - Times Of India

NEW DELHI: Apart from dismantling a SET of strategically-located bunkers at Chumar as part of an arrangement to end the standoff at Depsang Bulge in eastern Ladakh, the Indian troops seem to have suspended patrols to the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in Chumar, at least for now. Senior officials briefed by personnel on the ground said the Army has discontinued the round-the-clock patrolling it was undertaking in the area for the last few months.

Then after that, you said Pakistan came deep within Indian territory and killed a group of Indian soldiers. And just a few months ago you accused them of coming into Indian territory, mutilating your soldiers and chopping off their heads.

You have no ability to defend your territory against the numerous Chinese and Pakistani incursions.

Everyone knows it, especially the Indians themselves. Now your leaders are coming to Beijing for the border pact.

 

[Abhishek_]

You are wasting your time.

You can drag a horse to water but cannot force it to drink.

Ppl who have a self assumed complex of ' know it all' will always insist that their POV is what the ' inside story' is.

fair enough. let's hope there are still some who are competent enough to at least read the article.
this is not a "pact", it is merely a counter-proposal from the Indians

 

[AADHAAR]

Indian troops suspend patrols at Chumar - Times Of India



Then after that, you said Pakistan came deep within Indian territory and killed a group of Indian soldiers. And just a few months ago you accused them of coming into Indian territory, mutilating your soldiers and chopping off their heads.

You have no ability to defend your territory against the numerous Chinese and Pakistani incursions.

Everyone knows it, especially the Indians themselves. Now your leaders are coming to Beijing for the border pact.

Haha... welcome.. the new "HongWu" class of internet warrior.

You know the key characteristic oc "HongWu" class of warriors:

Give a tight slap to HongWu on his face, and see what he says :
HongWu: I ordered you to slap on my face.. dare you disobey orders.You are my slave, You are my slave, You are my slave.

This forum just got its second warrior of the "HongWu" class.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Haha... welcome.. the new "HongWu" class of internet warrior.

You know the key characteristic oc "HongWu" class of warriors:

Give a tight slap to HongWu on his face, and see what he says :
HongWu: I ordered you to slap on my face.. dare you disobey orders.You are my slave, You are my slave, You are my slave.

This forum just got its second warrior of the "HongWu" class.

LOL you make no sense at all, but that's alright.

You are only distracting yourself from the fact that you can't retaliate when Pakistan comes onto Indian soil and kills your soldiers.

 

[Abhishek_]

LOL you make no sense at all, but that's alright.

i'm fairly certain the feelings are mutual