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Awesome low-speed maneuverability, but still can't beat J-11B or J-10B in real combat.
 
Awesome low-speed maneuverability, but still can't beat J-11B or J-10B in real combat.

Dear Mxiong,

Sorry to puncture your wet dream. The day you can take on the USA, EU and Russia in that order in military technology then start making such statements. Meanwhile read the below and chill.

Regards

Russia infuriated with Chinese export copies of Su-27 jet fighters - Pravda.Ru

Russia infuriated with Chinese export copies of Su-27 jet fighters

22.04.2008 Source: Pravda.Ru


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Russia has officially notified China of the fact that the production of J11 jet fighters, which copy Russia’s Su-27SK aircraft, violates international agreements. Moscow promised to launch legal proceedings to protect its intellectual property.


Russia’s attempts to settle down on China’s arms market have been made to no avail, the Nezavisimaya Gazeta reports. Chinese pirates have entered a new level of activity. They mastered the production technology and developed the Chinese production of Su-27 analogues with a view to subsequently export the planes to third world countries.

The military cooperation between Russia and China has not been very successful during the recent couple of years. Russia’s arms exports to China dropped by 62 percent. In addition, Russia does not sign any new defense cooperation contracts with China. For the time being, the two countries simply execute the previously signed contracts, the sum of which total about $1.8 billion.

It is worthy of note that China used to be a major buyer of Russian-made military hardware. At present moment, China gradually becomes a large exporter of arms.

The Shenyang J-11 is an advanced fighter in the People's Liberation Army Air Force. It is a Chinese-redesigned, Chinese upgrade of the Russian Sukhoi Su-27SK.

The new J-11 is a Chinese redesigned version of the Sukhoi Su-27SK air superiority fighter. Sukhoi originally provided kits to Shenyang Aircraft Corporation upon an agreement in 1995, but over time there were to be increasing Chinese content in the aircraft, with up to 70% of all Su-27 ordered by the PLAAF to be Chinese-made. It has been reported that Sukhoi agreed to an upgrade program, allegedly in 2001, with improved radar and attack avionics.

However, in 2004, Russian media reported that Shenyang co-production of the basic J-11 was stopped after around 100 examples were built, citing a source within the PLAAF suggesting that the basic Su-27/J-11 was no longer meeting PLAAF requirements. The PLAAF later revealed a mock-up of an upgrade J-11C in late 2002. It was equipped with Chinese anti-ship and PL-12 air-to-air missiles presumably for the role for a maritime strike aircraft.

The Sukhoi Su-27 (NATO reporting name 'Flanker') is a jet fighter plane originally manufactured by the Soviet Union, and designed by the Sukhoi Design Bureau. It was intended as a direct competitor for the new generation of American fighters (which emerged as the F-14 Tomcat, F-15 Eagle, F-16 Fighting Falcon, and F/A-18 Hornet), with long range, heavy armament, and very high agility. The Su-27 most often flies air superiority missions, but is able to perform almost all combat operations. Its closest American counterpart is the F-15 Eagle.

Prepared by Dmitry Sudakov
Pravda.ru
 
China's declination to buy Russia's latest Flanker Su-35BM citing the domestic production of J-11B is more than enough for my argument.
 
China's declination to buy Russia's latest Flanker Su-35BM citing the domestic production of J-11B is more than enough for my argument.

Then your argument sucks. Russia is reluctant to sell its most advanced technology to the Chinese on account of blatant reverse engineering and made-for-sale cheap knockoffs. The Russian variants are far more leathal and technologically advanced than the Chinese replicas. Check the specs for yourself.
 
bro, read janes defence, or any other credible defence source once in a while.

Unfortunately Janes has no more credibility regarding Chinese military matters than PLA Daily, which I do read it daily.
 

China's already ordered 50 Su-33's for navy but I've not seen any reports about Su-35BM either.

Mxiong, could you please peovide a link from a Chinese or Russian source?
Thanks.
 
Awesome low-speed maneuverability, but still can't beat J-11B or J-10B in real combat.

Curently Su-30MKI is the Second Best Fighter Aircraft behind F/A-22 Raptor in the globe...:victory::guns:
 
Curently Su-30MKI is the Second Best Fighter Aircraft behind F/A-22 Raptor in the globe...:victory::guns:
And here we go again.
I think LCA is second. Third is MKI. Fourth is Marut.
Correct. Even a paper plane made from Indian trees can shoot down all of PAF from beyond beyond beyond visual range.
 
Curently Su-30MKI is the Second Best Fighter Aircraft behind F/A-22 Raptor in the globe...:victory::guns:

On the basis of what? Its claims. The French would disagree with you, the British, the Italians, and many, many more. You have never flown in exercises against the Typhoon, similarly you have never gone up against the Rafale. Even the exercises that have gone on with the USAF, their F-15s and F-16s have been keeping up with the MKI (obviously this is a hotly contested statement depending on which side you speak to).

Just because you have TVC does not make you the second best just as relying on the opinions of the Australian center for Air power studies, who in their little theoretical exercise claimed that the Su-30 beats any or all contemporary Western fighter aircraft, does not cut it either.

As time goes by, you will realize that while MKI is a nice platform, there is nothing such as second best etc. You guys are talking it up so much that sooner or later you will be disappointed and along the way embarrass the IAF as well.
 

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