Philippines 48 Fighter Jets, 6 Submarines, Anti-ship cruise missiles: CNAS

[jhungary]

Personally i do not believe any country would see 6 billions as "A LOT TO AFFORD" in terms of National Defence Spending.

You cannot put a price tag on National Defence. Even country more broken than Philippine could have and should have afford 6 billions as their defence budget. Even Mecerdes Benz spend more than that develope new cars fo marke (I think the annual budget for R&D are 10 billions Euros)t. 6 Billions, is very very tiny if you compare to a fully fleged country.

US spend 600 billions, while China spend 125 billions last year, even Japan with a supposed Non-Miltiary Force have a MIlitary Spending of 60 Billions. 6 Billions is really not that much

If you say 6 Billions over 6 years, that even smaller. Philippine today have 1.4 Billions a year budget. IT can be more than easily matched the scheme they want. So money, in this case, is not really a problem.

I do not want to say who's false flagger or what. There are people who hate their own country. There are people taking different stance. Just because they support China but not Philippine does not mean he or she is not from Philippine. I consider myself a Chinese, i can write, speak and listen to Chinese, even can cite Acient Chinese Poem. Does that mean i have to love China on it every move? No. I have a swedish passport, but i dislike the way swede do things. I also have an American Passport, i served in the US military, but did it mean i have to like whatever American Crap comes at me? No.

Loving one country and supporting its mainstream stance is 2 different things. You cannot just say since you don't think like me, then you must be a fake. We cannot be this hypocritic. When we bash Chinese member for following their country blindly, we cannot ignore the fact that freedom of governance are apply to every country in the world.

False flag or not, i don't think this is the issue here. He may be or he may be not, you will never know. When you have a flag display, that says a lot of things. Personally i never really care what's other people's flagging. You can say you are from Antigua does not mean anything here. It's just a button or a drop menu selection. I don't look at a guys comment on behalf of their flag, i look at the poster comment on behalf of their virtue.

 

[Fsjal]

Personally i do not believe any country would see 6 billions as "A LOT TO AFFORD" in terms of National Defence Spending.

You cannot put a price tag on National Defence. Even country more broken than Philippine could have and should have afford 6 billions as their defence budget. Even Mecerdes Benz spend more than that develope new cars fo marke (I think the annual budget for R&D are 10 billions Euros)t. 6 Billions, is very very tiny if you compare to a fully fleged country.

US spend 600 billions, while China spend 125 billions last year, even Japan with a supposed Non-Miltiary Force have a MIlitary Spending of 60 Billions. 6 Billions is really not that much

If you say 6 Billions over 6 years, that even smaller. Philippine today have 1.4 Billions a year budget. IT can be more than easily matched the scheme they want. So money, in this case, is not really a problem.

I do not want to say who's false flagger or what. There are people who hate their own country. There are people taking different stance. Just because they support China but not Philippine does not mean he or she is not from Philippine. I consider myself a Chinese, i can write, speak and listen to Chinese, even can cite Acient Chinese Poem. Does that mean i have to love China on it every move? No. I have a swedish passport, but i dislike the way swede do things. I also have an American Passport, i served in the US military, but did it mean i have to like whatever American Crap comes at me? No.

Loving one country and supporting its mainstream stance is 2 different things. You cannot just say since you don't think like me, then you must be a fake. We cannot be this hypocritic. When we bash Chinese member for following their country blindly, we cannot ignore the fact that freedom of governance are apply to every country in the world.

False flag or not, i don't think this is the issue here. He may be or he may be not, you will never know. When you have a flag display, that says a lot of things. Personally i never really care what's other people's flagging. You can say you are from Antigua does not mean anything here. It's just a button or a drop menu selection. I don't look at a guys comment on behalf of their flag, i look at the poster comment on behalf of their virtue.

I agree with you. I respect you and your opinion. Just because you are from China or Vietnam does not mean you support the country. It's politics that divide people because of different beliefs.

 

[Zero_wing]

Its not impossible but it will take a lot of political will and time and money which we are running out of.

But the good news the Planes and ships and vehicles are coming but in small numbers.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Navantia Offers Combat Ship and LPD to Phillipines
18 Januari 2013

Avante 1800 combat ship, length 89,8m and displacement 1.900 ton (image : Navantia)

Navantia Cantabria offers a low cost to Norway


Navantia needs to increase its business, currently based in the maintenance of Navy ships and the construction of two amphibious ships similar to Juan Carlos I to Australia, the first of which was delivered in October 2012. A low workload for its three shipyards that is taking to strengthen its commercial activities, supported by the Ministry of Defence.

Norway

While waiting for Turkey to make known, expected in January, which company will participate in the construction of their new amphibious ship, for which Navantia is one of the favorites, the shipping company has sent its proposal to the Norwegian Navy for construction of a logistical support vessel, low budget, similar in concept to Spanish Cantabria.

Elaborate a proposal to win this contest has remained unsuccessful in the first round, since none of the 13 yards that presented their projects met the ceiling Norwegian government budget, set at 150 million euros. The reason is that technical requirements are such that their manufacturing cost that was unfeasible.

Athlas 8000, a 8000 tonnes LPD (image : Navantia)

In the new Specification, Norway has slashed the baseline characteristics of the vessel which has allowed to submit a proposal Navantia very tailored to the needs of their navy, according to Athena explained company sources.

However, competition with shipyards in Germany, France and Italy suggests that it will be difficult to win a contract. Yes, to be with him, is expected to be awarded this year, would be a heavy workload for Ferrol shipyard, as published by La Voz de Galicia.

Qatar

In addition, the shipping company has also stepped up its marketing efforts in countries like Qatar, where it already has a sales office and having submitted a firm proposal to the Ministry of Defence of the country for the construction of four patrol type and six type Avante Avante 1800 300.

Philippines

Sources Navantia Athena also explained that the company could also sell their ships in the Philippines, as the country has been interested in the patrol and amphibious Avante 1800 Athlas 8000.

Navantia ofrece un Cantabria low cost a Noruega

 

[Zero_wing]

But the project for the MPV was given to South Korea i think its final i still asking around from my sources but no one has replied yet.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Spain Offers Descubierta Class Corvettes to Philippines
30 Januari 2013

Descubierta class corvettes, 88.8m in length and displacement of 1.233 tons standard and 1.482 tons full load (photo : Jordi Montoro Andreu)


Spain offers Philippines "Descubierta" corvettes to assert against China

The Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, Gonzalo de Benito, offered the Executive Secretary of the Presidency of the Republic of the Philippines, Paquito Ochoa, the technology of our customs supervision and corvettes like "Descubierta (=Discovery)", manufactured by Navantia, to reaffirm the sovereignty of its waters off China's claim. Philippines has requested assistance from the Spanish experts to argue its sovereignty over the Bajo de Masinloc (also known as Scarborough Shoal) and other disputed maritime areas.

So says a diplomatic courier rated "reserved" issued on October 26, 2012 by the Spanish Ambassador to the Philippines Jorge Manuel Domecq, which has had access Diariocritico. In that post, Domecq gives his assessment of his interview in Manila Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, Gonzalo de Benito, with the Executive Secretary of the Presidency of the Republic of the Philippines, Paquito Ochoa.

At one point, the conversation turned to Spanish interests, who want to enter the market for the renewal of the Philippine armed forces. At that point, Gonzalo de Benito advanced introducer made of the advantages of Navantia and Indra to Philippines to defend its maritime space. A De Benito Ambassador Domecq accompanied him, the deputy director general of the Pacific, Southeast Asia and the Philippines, Londaiz White, the Deputy Head of the Embassy, ​​and the advisor of the Office of Secretary of State, José Pascual Manual.

The advantages of SIVE and "Descubierta"

In the beginning of the interview, as related by Ambassador Domecq, De Benito invited President Aquino to travel to Spain this year 2013, "is exclusively or as part of a tour of several European countries." Ochoa was in favor of the idea, but noting that Aquino prioritizes above all the economic substance of his travels, including cooperation on defense, referring to the need to modernize the Philippine armed forces in the context of the problems in the South China Sea.

At that point, Gonzalo de Benito explained the advantages of NAVANTIA as "provider of proven safety and soundness" and Indra, "whose development in the control of airspace in the world will set as an attractive alternative to the control of airspace and sea, with an eye to the dispute of the South Sea of ​​China ". According to the ambassador, De Benito explained that one third of commercial flights in the world is controlled by Indra technology, including the entire German airspace and that of countries such as Bahrain and Qatar.

So, De Benito Ochoa reminded his promise May 2012 meeting with Indra to all departments concerned received a briefing on the SIVE (Sistema Integrado de Vigilancia Exterior) , and "also recalled Navantia supply the corvette type 'Descubierta' for Coast Guard, and was asked to take an interest in it. "

The dispute with China over oil and gas

At that point, the Executive Secretary of Aquino took to refer the dispute referred to the South China Sea ("it is worth noting that the maps hanging on his office and included the recent name change in the Philippines, Philippine Sea now calling West "), and stressed the importance of this issue to Manila, not only for sovereignty in itself, but by the fact that the area known as Recto Bank fund houses in large reserves of petroleum and natural gas.

For Ochoa, there is willingness on both sides (Philippines and China) to normalize the situation, even based on the controversial parking and other aspects (such as self-exploitation of groundwater resources). In this context, the Philippine government had decided for reasons of national security, postpone the start of oil drilling beneath the seabed of Recto Bank to start in October 2012.

But Ochoa also showed great interest in cooperating with Spain on "archival research" in order to have "the best historical and legal backing in defending its sovereignty from Bajo de Masinloc (also known as Scarborough Shoal ) and other maritime zones ", currently in dispute.

(Diariocritico)

 

[Viet]

@Hu Songshan
Can I suggest this thread to be sticky as Philippines Military News & Discussion, similar to Vietnam/Indonesia ones?

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Philippines Nears $443 Million Deal for South Korea Fighter Jets
30 Januari 2013

F/A-50 Korea's fighter jet (photo : KoreaAero)

The Philippines is close to reaching an 18 billion peso ($443 million) deal to purchase 12 fighter jets from South Korea as it moves to bolster its defenses amid tensions with China over disputed territory.

Defense Assistant Secretary Patrick Velez today said the government intends to finalize a contract with Korea Aerospace Industries Ltd. (047810) by the end of February and two could be delivered in the next six months. The Philippines hasn’t had an operating fighter jet since 2005.

“The military upgrade is already a priority before our incident with China,” Edwin Lacierda, a spokesman for President Benigno Aquino, told reporters today. “It is not aimed at any particular country. It is our obligation to modernize our military hardware.”

Asian countries including China and Japan are increasing military spending as the region grapples with maritime disputes involving oil, natural gas and fishing rights. The Philippines has tussled with China over control of areas in the South China Sea where both claim sovereignty, leading to a standoff over the Scarborough Shoal last year.

The jets will be used for training, disaster response and fending off enemy forces, Lacierda said. The Philippines may also seek bids for the supply of an unspecified number of naval warships by April, Velez said.

The Philippines last flew its Vietnam-era Northrop-Grumman Corp. (NOC) F-5 fighter jets in 2005, Aquino said in an interview last May.

Doubling Fleet

The Philippines also plans to acquire 10 Coast Guard patrol ships from Japan from 2014 to 2017, doubling the size of its current fleet. Japanese Foreign Minister Fumio Kishida met Philippine counterpart Albert del Rosario in Manila this month to strengthen ties.

Japan is set to increase its defense budget for the first time in 11 years and boost Coast Guard spending as Chinese ships have made increased incursions into waters near islands claimed by both countries. The budget increase for Japan’s Coast Guard is the first in six years.

China’s military spending, projected to be about 670 billion yuan ($107.7 billion) in 2012, has more than doubled since 2006 and is the second-highest in the world behind the U.S.

The Philippines last week moved to challenge China’s maritime claims before a United Nations tribunal after exhausting political and diplomatic avenues for a negotiated settlement. Vietnam and the Philippines reject China’s map of the waters as a basis for joint development of oil and gas.

Chinese and Philippine vessels squared off early last year over the Scarborough Shoal, a disputed land feature in the waters claimed by both countries. The U.S. has been vague about whether a mutual defense treaty with the Philippines covers the contested islands.

The FA-50, South Korea’s first fighter jet, is a light combat fighter based on the T-50 trainer jet. Korea Aerospace said it signed a 711.2 billion won ($656 million) contract in 2011 to provide 20 FA-50 jets to South Korea by 2014.

(BusinessWeek)

Nice move by the Philippines , but 1 question remain where's ze F-16s?

 

[jhungary]

Philippines Nears $443 Million Deal for South Korea Fighter Jets
30 Januari 2013

F/A-50 Korea's fighter jet (photo : KoreaAero)

The Philippines is close to reaching an 18 billion peso ($443 million) deal to purchase 12 fighter jets from South Korea as it moves to bolster its defenses amid tensions with China over disputed territory.

Defense Assistant Secretary Patrick Velez today said the government intends to finalize a contract with Korea Aerospace Industries Ltd. (047810) by the end of February and two could be delivered in the next six months. The Philippines hasn’t had an operating fighter jet since 2005.

“The military upgrade is already a priority before our incident with China,” Edwin Lacierda, a spokesman for President Benigno Aquino, told reporters today. “It is not aimed at any particular country. It is our obligation to modernize our military hardware.”

Asian countries including China and Japan are increasing military spending as the region grapples with maritime disputes involving oil, natural gas and fishing rights. The Philippines has tussled with China over control of areas in the South China Sea where both claim sovereignty, leading to a standoff over the Scarborough Shoal last year.

The jets will be used for training, disaster response and fending off enemy forces, Lacierda said. The Philippines may also seek bids for the supply of an unspecified number of naval warships by April, Velez said.

The Philippines last flew its Vietnam-era Northrop-Grumman Corp. (NOC) F-5 fighter jets in 2005, Aquino said in an interview last May.

Doubling Fleet

The Philippines also plans to acquire 10 Coast Guard patrol ships from Japan from 2014 to 2017, doubling the size of its current fleet. Japanese Foreign Minister Fumio Kishida met Philippine counterpart Albert del Rosario in Manila this month to strengthen ties.

Japan is set to increase its defense budget for the first time in 11 years and boost Coast Guard spending as Chinese ships have made increased incursions into waters near islands claimed by both countries. The budget increase for Japan’s Coast Guard is the first in six years.

China’s military spending, projected to be about 670 billion yuan ($107.7 billion) in 2012, has more than doubled since 2006 and is the second-highest in the world behind the U.S.

The Philippines last week moved to challenge China’s maritime claims before a United Nations tribunal after exhausting political and diplomatic avenues for a negotiated settlement. Vietnam and the Philippines reject China’s map of the waters as a basis for joint development of oil and gas.

Chinese and Philippine vessels squared off early last year over the Scarborough Shoal, a disputed land feature in the waters claimed by both countries. The U.S. has been vague about whether a mutual defense treaty with the Philippines covers the contested islands.

The FA-50, South Korea’s first fighter jet, is a light combat fighter based on the T-50 trainer jet. Korea Aerospace said it signed a 711.2 billion won ($656 million) contract in 2011 to provide 20 FA-50 jets to South Korea by 2014.

(BusinessWeek)

Nice move by the Philippines , but 1 question remain where's ze F-16s?

FA-50 is about 70% compectible with F-16, Philippine want them to lay ground work and eventually work their way to F-16. When they eventually bought the F-16 when they play around these fighter/trainer, they will be bumped into ground attack craft. Which the philippine also need in this moment.

 

[Viet]

Its not impossible but it will take a lot of political will and time and money which we are running out of.
But the good news the Planes and ships and vehicles are coming but in small numbers.

Philippines must step up defence spending as soon as possible. A weak nation is usually a subject for blackmail by others.

 

[Zero_wing]

Philippines must step up defence spending as soon as possible. A weak nation is usually a subject for blackmail by others.

Well the economy is picking up man i wish we can use that $100 billion we have stash on the Central bank just half would be a great leap from the current Improvements we are having and the rest on our economic/social projects its would boosts the Philippines going back the Philippines comrade is already doing but we are doing it slow a lot chinese paid traitors in congress and paid activist traitors who yells out US and no military modernization but are silents when china is bullying us economically and militarily.

 

[p3avi8tor69]

Well the economy is picking up man i wish we can use that $100 billion we have stash on the Central bank just half would be a great leap from the current Improvements we are having and the rest on our economic/social projects its would boosts the Philippines going back the Philippines comrade is already doing but we are doing it slow a lot chinese paid traitors in congress and paid activist traitors who yells out US and no military modernization but are silents when china is bullying us economically and militarily.

The 100 billion you say is stashed in your central bank is your country's forex. If you think you can raid your forex to buy hardware then I suggest you read up about forex and who actually owns them and what they are used for.

 

[Zero_wing]

The 100 billion you say is stashed in your central bank is your country's forex. If you think you can raid your forex to buy hardware then I suggest you read up about forex and who actually owns them and what they are used for.

Well i just use it as example i know it can't be use that's why i said if see the word if man another troll man am like a troll magnet.

 

[asianamerican]

Former Colonial masters of Philippines must be laughing all the way to the bank at all these deals to upgrade the Philippines military with hand-me down junks.

 

[p3avi8tor69]

Well i just use it as example i know it can't be use that's why i said if see the word if man another troll man am like a troll magnet.

Yeah sure, the majority of your post are gibberish nonsense with a poor command of English.