Pakistan's terrible idea to develop battlefield nukes

[Secur]

As has been proved over Hundred times and time and again that any tactical nuke whatsoever would result in massive second strike Destroying entire Pakistan from Land, sea, air and underwater... the whole world would back India in that case.

All of the Military, Civil and Administrative facilities of Pakistan would be taken out all at once in one go.

As it has been asked gazillion times before , I ask you again , Is your country willing to risk billions just because a couple IBG's are nuked on Pakistani soil ? ...

Yeah , while we will be waiting ! IA crosses the border , faces no resistance , major portion of our territory is captured and Pakistan wont do nothing and to top it all , the world backs India ... Typical Indian mentality to underestimate all others and overestimate themselves ... All fancy wet dreams of Indian fanboys which never cease to amaze ! Why do not your Generals think so ?

In 1965 it didn't take very long for the Indians to reach the outskirts of Lahore, did it? And if you're talking conventional capability then you're not talking about tactical nukes, are you?

Is it '65 ? ... It took more than 6 days then that too they were in Lahore district , not the very outskirts of Lahore ... ... Nah , I am talking both , Go figure !

however not going into detail about the quality of the nuclear arsenal of Pakistan..

Neither Am I , even though I am tempted to remind you of the " fizzling " fact ! ... So do not try to troll softly !

 

[Ticker]

As soon as the tactical nuke is fired, expect the order to go out to the Strategic Command to start assembling the strategic nuke. Indian nukes are kept in separate components like Pakistan, it would take them approximately the same time to assemble their nukes as Pakistan. I doubt it if Pakistan will take any chances after firing a tactical nuke and would want her nuclear forces to be trigger ready.

The nuclear forces would be ready much before a nuclear threshold is likely to be crossed. In my opinion, it won't be some tactical nukes thrown alone at certain columns and there would be a wait and see if and with what the other side responds with. I think there will not be any escalatory ladder followed or practice of any escalation domination. It would be a one whole complete set of first nuclear strike that will be launched.

 

[DARKY]

Only a fool would think that the world will back India in this case. The world will intervene to stop the madness that both India and Pakistan want to descend into. I have a hard time believing why the world will back India when her Armoured Columns are the aggressors and are present in the sovereign territory of another State. This is against the principles of International Law, your statements simply defy the field of logic.

Pakistan is not USA of Allied Powers and India is not a Fascist Imperial Japanese regime.

India plans any incursion only in the event of a terrorist attack on the scale of 2008 Mumbai massacre.. It would be Justified for them to enter Pakistan as Russians entered Georgia, US entered Afghanistan, Israel entered Lebanon.. etc.. etc..

World will only come for negotiation process If Pakistan hands over the culprits asking Indian troops to withdraw... not when Pakistan kills half of its own city and a few Hundred Indian troops right in its own territory validating the need to strip off Pakistani regime and army off its nuclear weapon as they would be fatal both for others and more so for its own poor Public.

Even the People of Pakistan would start supporting Indian Invasion and stop supporting the already corrupt administrative institutions... the world might agree India on not retaliating however a strong campaign would start to strip Pakistan off its weapon.. involving destruction of Nuclear facilities and stockpile by a group of aligned Nations... along with active support from People of Pakistan.

And you think India will come out unscathed. Pakistan is in possession of nuclear weapons that number in triple digits, thats more than enough to fry India. The appropriate logic would be that both sides will be exhumed in hot air.

Most of the Pakistani weapons are over weight as it uses Uranium as main fuel... as compared to India which uses Plutonium and Tritium.
A country of the size of India needs 10000 nuclear weapons in the MT category while Pakistan doesn't even has a single 100KT warhead.

Here's a little fact for you. During the Kargil Skirmish and the build up to 2001, Pakistan was receiving live intelligence and feed from a satellite belonging to a friendly nation. I am not at the liberty of disclosing which nation it was but the fact of the matter is that Pakistan Army does have access to real time satellite feed.

The friendly Nation of yours don't have AESA mounter SAR satellites they wouldn't know what happens in India during the night.

Indian nuclear components are kept in separate storage form, as soon as the signal goes out to start assembling them, this is something you cannot simply hide under the rug considering the fact that the Big 5 will be monitoring everything from the sky.

Big 5 don't even know the secret detonations made by India during 80s.. besides that there is no Big 5 there were only Big 2 and now there only Big 1... which has been Itching to strip Pakistan off its Nukes along with a few others...and thats a secret you wouldn't want to know.

Tactical nuke in my opinion is a wonderful idea. It stops the war short of a full scale nuclear war. This scenario leaves it upto Indian High Command whether they want to risk frying up 1 billion people for the loss of an Armoured Corp. The biggest flaw in your assumption is that India will come out unscathed. As soon as the tactical nuke is fired, expect the Strategic Command to start assembling our strategic nukes with finger on the trigger. Anyways, you are free to prove me wrong as your analysis is extremely one sided and totally negates what the enemy can do.

There has been a new force on this side which specifically keeps the Missiles tipped and ready as of now it only uses one missile however 2 other are being added soon which are western sector specific.
That force would soon maintain 40 aircraft specially equipped for nuclear delivery deep in enemy territory... soon they would receive 20 of them.
In the mean time the IAF, Army and Navy all have their own BM well equipped with nukes and deployed unlike Pakistan.

The assembling of a strategic nuke cannot be hidden from the eye in the sky. The Big 5 will be monitoring the situation closely and they might decide to intervene if Pakistan is seen assembling strategic nukes while India refrains from it.

Yes it is hidden from skies and that's why the fear remained thought the the cold war... not a single nation would know that nukes are the until they are launched... from its respective deployment areas.

As it has been asked gazillion times before , I ask you again , Is your country willing to risk billions just because a couple IBG's are nuked on Pakistani soil ? ...

Yeah , while we will be waiting ! IA crosses the border , faces no resistance , major portion of our territory is captured and Pakistan wont do nothing and to top it all , the world backs India ... Typical Indian mentality to underestimate all others and overestimate themselves ... All fancy wet dreams of Indian fanboys which never cease to amaze ! Why do not your Generals think so ?

Is it '65 ? ... It took more than 6 days then that too they were in Lahore district , not the very outskirts of Lahore ... ... Nah , I am talking both , Go figure !



Neither Am I , even though I am tempted to remind you of the " fizzling " fact ! ... So do not try to troll softly !

Uneducated people can 1st attend their school properly before entertaining others with their ever stupid brain.

 

[Ticker]

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[The Deterrent]

Even the People of Pakistan would start supporting Indian Invasion and stop supporting the already corrupt administrative institutions... the world might agree India on not retaliating however a strong campaign would start to strip Pakistan off its weapon.. involving destruction of Nuclear facilities and stockpile by a group of aligned Nations... along with active support from People of Pakistan.



Most of the Pakistani weapons are over weight as it uses Uranium as main fuel... as compared to India which uses Plutonium and Tritium.
A country of the size of India needs 10000 nuclear weapons in the MT category while Pakistan doesn't even has a single 100KT warhead.



In the mean time the IAF, Army and Navy all have their own BM well equipped with nukes and deployed unlike Pakistan.

Okay I am officially out of this discussion since this specific fellow knows Pakistan's nuclear weapons better than anyone and has put forward the best analysis.

 

[TaimiKhan]

Exactly. In Pakistan's specific circumstances tactical nukes do not provide these advantages unless Pakistan can convince its adversary that it is willing to sacrifice Lahore.

I do believe Pakistan would not be that foolish to destroy lahore, also lahore would not fall that easily.

The major concern for Pakistan and the Indian cold start doctrine is mostly based on the warfare in the desert areas, the central area of Pakistan, deserts of punjab & sindh. That is where the Indian armor push and its IBGs / Cold Start doctrine would be really pushed to its limits.

That area is where we may see an escalation of war to nukes in case Indian armor breaks through and tries to capture major portion of pak territory or they try to do something else.

 

[Secur]

Pakistan is not USA of Allied Powers and India is not a Fascist Imperial Japanese regime.

India plans any incursion only in the event of a terrorist attack on the scale of 2008 Mumbai massacre.. It would be Justified for them to enter Pakistan as Russians entered Georgia, US entered Afghanistan, Israel entered Lebanon.. etc.. etc..

World will only come for negotiation process If Pakistan hands over the culprits asking Indian troops to withdraw... not when Pakistan kills half of its own city and a few Hundred Indian troops right in its own territory validating the need to strip off Pakistani regime and army off its nuclear weapon as they would be fatal both for others and more so for its own poor Public.

Even the People of Pakistan would start supporting Indian Invasion and stop supporting the already corrupt administrative institutions... the world might agree India on not retaliating however a strong campaign would start to strip Pakistan off its weapon.. involving destruction of Nuclear facilities and stockpile by a group of aligned Nations... along with active support from People of Pakistan.

Most of the Pakistani weapons are over weight as it uses Uranium as main fuel... as compared to India which uses Plutonium and Tritium.
A country of the size of India needs 10000 nuclear weapons in the MT category while Pakistan doesn't even has a single 100KT warhead.

The friendly Nation of yours don't have AESA mounter SAR satellites they wouldn't know what happens in India during the night.

Big 5 don't even know the secret detonations made by India during 80s.. besides that there is no Big 5 there were only Big 2 and now there only Big 1... which has been Itching to strip Pakistan off its Nukes along with a few others...and thats a secret you wouldn't want to know.

There has been a new force on this side which specifically keeps the Missiles tipped and ready as of now it only uses one missile however 2 other are being added soon which are western sector specific. That force would soon maintain 40 aircraft specially equipped for nuclear delivery deep in enemy territory... soon they would receive 20 of them. In the mean time the IAF, Army and Navy all have their own BM well equipped with nukes and deployed unlike Pakistan.

Yes it is hidden from skies and that's why the fear remained thought the the cold war... not a single nation would know that nukes are the until they are launched... from its respective deployment areas.

Though it appears , Indians live in a fantasy world !

Believe it or not ! But Pakistan is neither Georgia , Afghanistan nor Lebanon ... Else , how else it has prevented three wars with your country ?

World will come to negotiation the moment they see our countries deploying troops to the front as it always has been ... They know how rational how our respective leaderships are ... What city have you seen in the Thar desert ? Yeah , do your armored columns and strike corps consist of a hundred men ? If right in its own territory , then there's no pressure on Pakistan for anything since we are carrying out business in our country Yeah , the world and your country in general has dreamt for decades to strip Pakistan off its nukes , failed though you have every time ...

Yeah , and Martians will land on Earth ... What fresh wet dream was this ? ... Active support from the Pakistan Do not take it personally , but an Indian talking about poverty ai'nt such a good idea ...

Enlighten me with sources about this secret plutonium and tritium enrichment of India while Pakistan lags behind and doesn't have that capability

Did the friendly nation call you personally to inform ?

Big 5 always knew everything , what are these new secret detonation theory ? Do you think you can keep such a thing secret ? Besides , that Big 1 is replaced by another of our neighbors about which your country maintains Islamabad doesn't share a common boundary with ...

More ready than my country willing to go nuclear at the drop of a hat ? What exactly are you trying to tell us ? Is delivery of nukes by aircraft some new modern concept that your country has developed ? Unlike Pakistan , are you saying our nuclear delivery methods aren't enough or exist ? Is that why you have made it a routine to deploy and back off ? '

 

[Secur]

Uneducated people can 1st attend their school properly before entertaining others with their ever stupid brain.

Thanks for entertaining us ! ... Continue to do so while I assure you of the official support of the people of Pakistan ...

 

[TaimiKhan]

Okay I am officially out of this discussion since this specific fellow knows Pakistan's nuclear weapons better than anyone and has put forward the best analysis.

Didn't you knew that Indian tech is from Mars

Nothing matches their tech in this world. Be it nukes or tanks

 

[Secur]

Okay I am officially out of this discussion since this specific fellow knows Pakistan's nuclear weapons better than anyone and has put forward the best analysis.

Straight from BRF ! Underestimate others , overestimate yourselves is the typical Indian mentality ...

This isn't the first he has done that though , check out his God gift's to aviation MKI posts

Didn't you knew that Indian tech is from Mars

Nothing matches their tech in this world. Be it nukes or tanks

Fanboyism and trolling are no exception

 

[somebozo]

As has been proved over Hundred times and time and again that any tactical nuke whatsoever would result in massive second strike Destroying entire Pakistan from Land, sea, air and underwater... the whole world would back India in that case.

All of the Military, Civil and Administrative facilities of Pakistan would be taken out all at once in one go.

Some people might argue over the option Pakistan has to retaliate with a similar force.. however not going into detail about the quality of the nuclear arsenal of Pakistan.. I would like to open their eyes to the fact that Pakistan lack early warning or satellite surveillance capabilities which means any massive second strike by India would be unknown to them... until the Public watches the white smoke in the sky.

Hence the tactical nuke idea is nothing but BS... any strike if 1st must be aimed at India's nuclear facilities... as much as they can... at least they would provide some damage before massive Indian 2nd strike wipes them from this dimension.

Typical Bharti dream of wiping Pakistan off the map! Your own RAW exposed the best weapon Pakistan can deploy against India...Facebook and Twitter to create mass spread chaos in India!

 

[Solomon2]

I do believe Pakistan would not be that foolish to destroy lahore, also lahore would not fall that easily.

The major concern for Pakistan and the Indian cold start doctrine is mostly based on the warfare in the desert areas, the central area of Pakistan, deserts of punjab & sindh. That is where the Indian armor push and its IBGs / Cold Start doctrine would be really pushed to its limits.

That area is where we may see an escalation of war to nukes in case Indian armor breaks through and tries to capture major portion of pak territory or they try to do something else.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the Thar attack scenario India invades Pakistan with many small armored columns; thus, tactical nukes will not be employed there.

I think it's still quite a stretch to see ANY scenario where Pakistan could actually employ tactical nukes to its practical advantage in a war with India. That's why, even if India and Pakistan don't want to get rid of their nukes entirely, it makes good sense for them to ban these - at least for Pakistan.

 

[Leviza]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the Thar attack scenario India invades Pakistan with many small armored columns; thus, tactical nukes will not be employed there.

I think it's still quite a stretch to see ANY scenario where Pakistan could actually employ tactical nukes to its practical advantage in a war with India. That's why, even if India and Pakistan don't want to get rid of their nukes entirely, it makes good sense for them to ban these - at least for Pakistan.

Yes Pakistan need to have these tactical nukes to prevent any invasions also if india thinks that they can invade on small scale to prevent the major war, they are wrong and time will tell them

Pakistan should not ban anything which other countries have in their inventory. WHY ALONE PAKISTAN DO THIS ?

 

[Secur]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the Thar attack scenario India invades Pakistan with many small armored columns; thus, tactical nukes will not be employed there.

at least for Pakistan.

India is first met with conventional resistance and if things go beyond a certain point , with tactical nuclear warheads ... Small armored columns , am i missing something here ?

Why ?

Pakistan should not ban anything which other countries have in their inventory. WHY ALONE PAKISTAN DO THIS ?

Because , for some , Nuclear Pakistan is a pain in the *** and the hindrance to their hegemonic plans for the region ...

 

[DARKY]

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Typical Instant response without even thinking... whats written or whats being said.
Those who are Uneducated are not required to read this.

The Nuclear arsenal of Pakistan consists of Uranium based weapons which have the poorest Weight to Yield ratio.

The few Plutonium generating agencies only generate enough to make Sub-Kilo ton weapons.

While India in 2008 had enough Plutonium to make as many as 2000 bombs... and that was only using the military enrichment facility... Besides that India is the only country in the world which operates FBR as many as 7 of them... from which Plutonium is not taken. for military purpose.

Those who don't know FBRs please use Google and help yourself.

Didn't you knew that Indian tech is from Mars

Nothing matches their tech in this world. Be it nukes or tanks

At times I wonder If they really are since Pakistan is talking of using Nukes to kill them...