anonymous123
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really?
why bother trying to purchase Phalcon?
because its so much more expensive right?
It is well known fact, that materials cost the same! Your T-99 mbt or otherwise would cost the same in the US!
the only difference in price would come from R&D, which needs to be payed off.
It is not that building at home is the best thing for China, rather it is the only option for China!
R&D costs are massive, that is why collabration is the new buzz word.
China does have a massive economy, but since your so good with numbers, you should also be aware,
India's GDP is what China's was 10 years ago. but i'm sure you realize that.
like 11 yrs ago, when china realize they cannot get the phalcon, they started to develop the KJ-2000.really?
why bother trying to purchase Phalcon?
oh yes, China does.
J-10 recieved IOC in 2006, and till date it is yet to recieve FOC.
but more than a 100 J-10s are in service. powered by Russian engines, like your 500+ fleet of flankers,
compared to Indias 110+ flankers.
The PLA are not as stringent as the PA or InA. that is fact. That is why when Pakistani's order something, Chinese, it comes with a dash of western equipment or soviet.
example would be AK which uses a Ukrainian engine, and an FCS from somewhere else i hope. Your FC-1 concept was mangled and brushed off for a JF-17, and the PAF still wants to employ western avonics and equipment on it.
despite China's emergence in R&D, the lack of international collabration has left it in a somewhat of a darkage.
the only help arrives from the bankrupt Russian firms. who also sold you the license production of Su-27, and yet you harp saying its indegnious.
which by the was is made in China, but the PLAAF still pay royalties for the J-11. they always will, unless, unless ofcourse, they want the fleet flankers to be grounded when the Russians stop the sale of engines.
regards,
ps, your ultra patriotism is joke for me.
We did try to purchase the phalcon. US blocked it.
We then invested billions of dollars into a Domestic AWACS.
As for 3 years, not everyone follows India's timeline in producing weapons. We plan something and we get it done.
Three AESAs give continuous 360 coverage and thats pretty important when it has to cover several hundred kilometers of area
As for your Bharat Rakshak logic. It might get you a few pats on the backs there there but it won't work here.
And India has yet to deploy any domestic airborne AESA. Thats also a history lesson. See how off topic that is?
The IL 76 has plenty of power to keep the AESAs cool. Don't you worry.
The KJ 2000 has been in service for 8 years now, and there are far more than just two AESA programs.
Yes you are very much jealous, and you show it by trolling here.
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I bet those smelly land mine alone would deter any soldier from setting foot there, could you imagine falling into the river full of those thing???ewww man
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Wrong thread lassie?
really?
It is not that building at home is the best thing for China, rather it is the only option for China!
R&D costs are massive, that is why collabration is the new buzz word.
China does have a massive economy, but since your so good with numbers, you should also be aware,
India's GDP is what China's was 10 years ago. but i'm sure you realize that.
and then apperantly housing an AESA in the A-50 rotodome?that was 10 years ago......
so does a rotating one.Three AESAs give continuous 360 coverage and thats pretty important when it has to cover several hundred kilometers of area
you know this? expecially 3??The IL 76 has plenty of power to keep the AESAs cool. Don't you worry.
trolling is when you say stuff that has no evidence or logic. and have short posts rather then sources, evidence. etc...The KJ 2000 has been in service for 8 years now, and there are far more than just two AESA programs.
Yes you are very much jealous, and you show it by trolling here.
did you just say contingency plan? do you think large projects are ever embarked open with out a clear vision?We didn't have the KJ 2000 program when we tried buying the Phalcon. 3 years later we did. China always has a contingency plan unlike a certain un named country.
you don't know what your talking aboutAnd no materials do not cost the same in any country. For example China currently supplies 97% of the worlds rare earth medals. Rare earth medals are far cheaper to China then anyone else.
by whom? who in the end had to pay extra for R&D?As for R&D the costs are covered.
its utterly baseless arguments.And if you feel buying foreign AWACs forever for India is a good idea thats fine. But we feel differently for China
Collaboration is fine when you feel like having a open book. Once again we feel differently.
Yes GDP of India is similar to China 10 years ago.
However development of arms is vastly different.
okay.There was no expenses spared for the 4 AESAs on the 052C or the 3 on the KJ 2000. These two projects alone cost at least 10 billion dollars.
There are precisely 224 J 10 variants identified within the PLAAF, PLAANAF, and August performance team. We have very different standards of FOC compared to the IAF.
As for IA standards don't make me laugh. The INSAS is inducted despite its mediocre performance if even that. Even your own troops want more AK 47s. A rifle that China license produced and then retired two generations before.
the Chinese are still using, russian engines.As for engines that is a weakness of the PLA. However all J11B have WS 10A engines, and even the J 20 flight test was with WS 10Gs.
As for the FC 1 "concept" it already equips two squadrons. And for PAF they will receive Chinese AESA next year. Its not a dark age so much as a Cambrian explosion.
that was the idea of license production. thats what China payed for. to go about, replacing avonics with domestic products, is at China's own risk, with RUssian consultation. China was even given liesence production of the AF-31 engines. do you know what that means?I have never called the J 11 indigenous but heres some facts. Its far more indigenous than anything India has. The entire thing is made in China including airframe, Avionics, Radar, Engine, IRST, OBOGS, and especially A2G weapons which the original sukhoi completely lacks. Even the original steel airframe has been largely replaced with composites.
aww,And no PLAAF paid for the 200 originally ordered. No more, no less. As for engines we have not ordered any more. WS 10A have been used for years now. Funny you should mention engines though seeing as India has to send them to Russia to get maintained.
PS. Write coherantly and try to argue with facts. Not the crap you self masturbate to on Bharat Rakshak.
so everything has a reason.he primary radar system housed in the radome is an three-sided electronically steered phased-array (ESA) developed by Nanjing-based 14 institute. Unlike the Russian A-50 or U.S. E-3, which rotate their rotodomes to give a 360 degree coverage, the KJ-2000's radar antenna does not rotate. Instead, three ESA antenna modules are placed in a triangular configuration inside the round radome to provide a 360 degree coverage.
i can give you more examples.As for IA standards don't make me laugh. The INSAS is inducted despite its mediocre performance if even that. Even your own troops want more AK 47s. A rifle that China license produced and then retired two generations before.
typical selectively blind....the Chinese are still using, russian engines.
The J-20 flew with both types of engines.
I have yet to see, a squadron of J-10's or J-11s with domestic engines. But i know i can count on an official PLAAF statement, if they said the WS-10 has achieved QSR.
I can only laugh at that stupidity. Here is a hint, WS-10 is based off of American technology, not Russian. Hell, even Wikipedia got it right and you're too retarded to look it up.Forgot to mention.
If the Russian engines need to be replaced. what do they get replaced with? You know the Su-30MKK and Su-27s? are they going to be replaced with WS-10? if so, then you just found out the difference between a AF-31 engine and WS-10.
my speculation is that the AL-31 and WS-10 are the same. Difference being slight.
If these engines, were radically difference.
The J-10's J-11's would need remodifications to re-engine the aircraft with Al-31's.
so like the J-11 is a Su-27 built in China
the WS-10 is Al-31 engine built in China.
go R&D.