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Foreign debt is the new form of "colonialism" once you owe them they will own you with no need to station soldiers in your land.:undecided:
Iran's foreign debt is now reduced to mere 6.4 billion dollars from last years $9 billion ...Here is some comparison of Iran's " External Foreign Debt" with countries around us for last year 2022:


Iran's Foreign Debt: .....$ 9 billion
Turkey's Foreign Debt..$443 billion
Egypt's Foreign Debt: ..$156 billion
Pakistan Foreign Debt:.$ 26 billion


External debt is the portion of a country's debt that is borrowed from foreign lenders including commercial banks, governments, or international financial institutions. These loans, including interest, must usually be paid in the currency in which the loan was made.


Our foreign debt is not 9 Milliard its 6.579 milliard Dollar and i think pakistan foreign debt is around 130 milliard
 
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Our foreign debt is not 9 Milliard its 6.579 milliard Dollar and i think pakistan foreign debt is around 130 milliard
Thanks..I corrected Pakistan number..Iran's number remain 9 for 2022..and I have mentioned that for this year it is 6.4 billion.
 

Tehran, Beijing take new steps to develop all-out economic ties

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During President Raisi’s stay, Iranian and Chinese officials inked 20 documents of cooperation in various fields including crisis management, tourism, communication and information technology, environment, international trade, intellectual property, agriculture, export, healthcare, media, sports, and cultural heritage.


Chinese markets open to Iran agricultural, dairy products

Iran, Zimbabwe inks co-op document to expand economic ties


Iran’s Trade Promotion Organization (TPO) and ZIM Trade inked the comprehensive document with the aim of improving the trade relations between the two countries.

The ninth meeting of the two countries’ Joint Economic Committee was held in Tehran on February 6.

The two countries signed a memorandum of understanding (MOU) at the end of the mentioned meeting to expand economic cooperation.

Ashgabat hosting exclusive exhibit of Iranian products


TEHRAN- The 15th exclusive exhibition of Iranian products kicked off in Turkmenistan’s capital city Ashgabat on Wednesday and will wrap up on Friday.

The exhibition is participated by more than 90 Iranian companies active in the fields of agriculture and food industry, construction industry, cement, oil and energy, petrochemical products, auto parts, technical and engineering services, medicine, and medical equipment.





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It is indeed very interesting since usually dairy industry is one of the difficult parts of an Agricultural industry...correct me if I am wrong but Iran not only produces dairy products for 85 million Iranians but has enough left over to export...news to me indeed.
At the same time that some of our guys are capable of teaching socialism to foreigners other ones are capable of teaching capitalism to those who in need :rolleyes:.

few years ago I read news of importing palm (I think ) oil or ... in order to enrich milk which they already extracted it's natural fat and sell it to domestic market. and those fat base products were exported to other countries.

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Numbers might be different today but over all it should be in same range


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Milk, Total

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Sheep Milk
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Goat milk
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Goats also going out of their ways to find salt :rolleyes:.
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For all those that were worried about possible extra salt from sea water, it could be one of the solutions.

In almost all these types of agriculture categories Iran is in top 10 ranks.
 
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همه می گفتند که برید بازار خودرو رو درست کنید ، کارهایی که ج.ا در عمل کرد :
1-گران کردن خودرو به صورت عملی با عرضه ش در بورس
2- کاهش شانس خرید مردم با وکالتی کردن فروش خودرو ( مستلزم بلوکه شدن حداقل 90 میلیون پول نقد مردم در بانک فقط و فقط برای شرکت در قرعه کشی هست )


فکر کنم همه فهمیدن که سیاست های عملی جمهوری اسلامی دیگه چیه


با اینکه امسال تورم حداقل 60 درصد بود و برای سال آینده هم حداقل تورم 50 درصدی در بهترین حالت پیش بینی شده ، افزایش حقوق ها رو 20 درصد در نظر گرفتند که عملا می شود با زبان محترمانه ، مالیات 50+30 درصدی به دستمزد مردم در ظرف دو سال ولی به صورت واقعیش می شه دزدی 80 درصد درآمد واقعی مردم در 2 سال ...


قبلا این رو گذاشتم ، بازم می زارم

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رعیت چون آسوده گردد در فکر عزل رئیس و ضابط افتد و علی هذا القیاس. چون عموم اهالی ملک را فراغت روی دهد به عمال و حکام تمکین نکنند و در فکرهای دور و دراز درافتند، این گروه فرومایه را باید به خود مشغول کردن که از کار رعیتی و گرفتاری فارغ نگردند؛ و الا کار زراعت و فلاحت نقصان یابد و توفیر در غله و حاصل ضعیف شود وقحط پدیدار آید و لشکری از کار بیفتد و فسادهای عظیم روی دهد و ملک ازمیان برود.



ارباب زراعت و فلاحت باید چنان باشد که هر ده خانه را یک دیگ نباشد تا به جهت طبخ آشی یک روز به عطلت وانتظار بسر برند و الا رعیتی نکنند و نقصان در ملک روی کند.»


عملا می خواهند مردم ایران به چیزی جزء زنده موندن فکر نکنند
 
همه می گفتند که برید بازار خودرو رو درست کنید ، کارهایی که ج.ا در عمل کرد :
1-گران کردن خودرو به صورت عملی با عرضه ش در بورس
2- کاهش شانس خرید مردم با وکالتی کردن فروش خودرو ( مستلزم بلوکه شدن حداقل 90 میلیون پول نقد مردم در بانک فقط و فقط برای شرکت در قرعه کشی هست )


فکر کنم همه فهمیدن که سیاست های عملی جمهوری اسلامی دیگه چیه


با اینکه امسال تورم حداقل 60 درصد بود و برای سال آینده هم حداقل تورم 50 درصدی در بهترین حالت پیش بینی شده ، افزایش حقوق ها رو 20 درصد در نظر گرفتند که عملا می شود با زبان محترمانه ، مالیات 50+30 درصدی به دستمزد مردم در ظرف دو سال ولی به صورت واقعیش می شه دزدی 80 درصد درآمد واقعی مردم در 2 سال ...


قبلا این رو گذاشتم ، بازم می زارم

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رعیت چون آسوده گردد در فکر عزل رئیس و ضابط افتد و علی هذا القیاس. چون عموم اهالی ملک را فراغت روی دهد به عمال و حکام تمکین نکنند و در فکرهای دور و دراز درافتند، این گروه فرومایه را باید به خود مشغول کردن که از کار رعیتی و گرفتاری فارغ نگردند؛ و الا کار زراعت و فلاحت نقصان یابد و توفیر در غله و حاصل ضعیف شود وقحط پدیدار آید و لشکری از کار بیفتد و فسادهای عظیم روی دهد و ملک ازمیان برود.



ارباب زراعت و فلاحت باید چنان باشد که هر ده خانه را یک دیگ نباشد تا به جهت طبخ آشی یک روز به عطلت وانتظار بسر برند و الا رعیتی نکنند و نقصان در ملک روی کند.»


عملا می خواهند مردم ایران به چیزی جزء زنده موندن فکر نکنند
All products should be presented in the free market. Every government effort ever made for cotrolling prices has failed and resulted in shortages, every single time and in every part of the world. Socialism and government-control on economy does not work.
And no, economic problems does not make the populace compliant and happy with a government, it's the exact opposite. Such a thing is one of the most obvious facts about humans.
 
One of the common problems of government based economies is unhealthy growth of certain sections and lack of growth in other sections.

Thing is, the market is a flawed economic regulator. There's no magical "invisible hand" that will somehow generate virtuous processes and correct flaws.

Example, the catastrophic failure of railway privatization in the UK:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/10/uk-railways-nationalise

Contrast this with France where the railway sector remains in government hands. To those who believe public companies are incapable of innovation, show me a high speed rail more modern and advanced than France's TGV, anywhere in the west. Not only does it hold the world record in terms of speed (574,8 km/h reached in a test run) but on certain regular lines the TGV peaks at some 350 km/h.

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Unfettered liberalism brought the world to the brink of ruin in 2009. A Nobel Prize winning economist from the west like Joseph Stiglitz is brave enough to spell it out.

https://www.project-syndicate.org/c...oseph-e-stiglitz-2019-05?barrier=accesspaylog


But somehow in Iran the most extreme current of neo-classical economics, namely monetarism, must reign supreme in the intellectual sphere. Hence the phrase more Catholic than the Pope. What is no longer the unchallenged dominant school of thought in the west, is exerting hegemony in Iran... the irony being that Iranian market enthusiasts are several decades late, even by the standards of their role models.

For example due to government strong intervention in some social issues and building subsidized housing project there would be less demand for natural born houses (combined effects of immigration and adding extra houses in abnormal/urgent manners) at the same time demand for shop/stores and storage facilities will almost remain same.

And when you added these extra places to your city without it's necessary infrastructure then you need to build BRT/Metro line,shopping area and ..... for them.

Rohani's Minister of Roads and Urban Development notoriously declared he takes pride in the fact that not a single Mehr housing project was initiated under his auspices. Well this type of policy didn't exactly fix housing issues in Iran did it.

(Justice issue) if you want to look at it with lenses of justice it raises the question of why some people should get it easily when most of other people got these things in natural/hard way ?

See, even the USA regime is implementing certain welfare programs in the housing sector, namely subsidized housing.


Is the USA communist?

Social justice is also about ensuring minimal standards of living so long as enough overall wealth is generated in the country. There's no justification for allowing homelessness, no matter if certain individuals think that those affected did not work hard enough to be entitled to the cheapest, most basic roof over their head. What's the bigger zolm: to provide every Iranian with decent enough housing - notwithstanding the fact that homes inhabited by those who work "twice as hard" as social housing residents, might not be exactly twice as luxurious as said social housing? Or tolerating social-economic disparity as extreme as the contrast between the lifestyles of the average Elahieh mansion occupant on the one hand, and that of people compelled to sleep on streets and to eat out of garbage bins on the other hand? It seems to me that any person endowed with elementary decency would agree that the second option entails greater zolm (injustice).

Also, how are we to define the "natural/hard way". Is a managerial job "harder" than manual labor in a factory, in the construction sector (with no safety measures) or in the countryside?

I mean, when liberal Iranians take issue with the nominal proportion of state owned companies, which indeed is relatively high, I can understand. But taking aim at social measures destined to facilitate access to housing? Not even the USA regime, known to be at the service of the upper 1%, will dare to completely abolish those.

Although, let's add a quick remark about the state owned companies in question because it's not as if they were always acting like typical state-owned enterprises. When they rely on peymānkāri contracts for the employment of labor force, it has no longer anything to do with "socialism". It's in fact the exact opposite.

The Islamic Republic used to have one of the most commendable labor laws in the world, implemented right after the Victory of the Islamic Revolution, in line with Islamic Revolutionary ideology of uplifting the living conditions of the downtrodden (mostaz'afin). With the advent of the moderate and economically liberal administration of Hashemi Rafsanjani this huge achievement was gradually dismantled.

The mindset of economic liberals is best summarized in the following quote:

دولت سازندگی؛ اگر برای توسعه‌ بخشی از مردم زیر چرخ اقتصاد له شوند اشکالی ندارد


"If for the sake of development a portion of the people are crushed under the wheel of the economy, it's not a problem".

At least they were honest, unlike other ultra-capitalists who pretend to be working in the interest of the under-privileged. However this cannot be reconciled with any sound concept of social justice. It's pure cynicism and has no place in a Revolutionary and Islamic nation like Iran.
 
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Any time in Iran that a Government wants to build something all the traitors come out of their holes and give you a million reasons why you should not build anything and let the market do its job...Well for 8 years Rohanni mother f*cker did not build any thing and was so proud of it (sure made MI6 proud too!) and guess what ..market did not build anything either..

I hope Raisi builds and build and builds and the hell with any traitor who say otherwise...and If he fails to build I be the first one to curse him also..:azn:
 
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So the rial is in free fall inching closer to the depths of hell. While allowing government to better manage internal expenditures such as wages (due to better conversion of foreign currency earnings to Rial), it does not help at all politically. They have also been very slow to manage speculation and anxiety via individual FOREX brokerages in Iran. Does anyone foresee preventative measures by CBI to prevent the nosedive today? Such as potentially enhanced banking and economic ties with China and Russia or by flooding more USD into the market? Looks like we're headed to 50,000 IRR/UDS in the coming days with this incompetency.


We're seeing a 'Venezuelization' of Iranian economy (at least currency wise).
 
Thing is, the market is a flawed economic regulator. There's no magical "invisible hand" that will somehow generate virtuous processes and correct flaws.

Example, the catastrophic failure of railway privatization in the UK:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/10/uk-railways-nationalise

Contrast this with France where the railway sector remains in public hands. To those who believe public companies are incapable of innovation, show me a high speed rail more modern and innovative than France's TGV, anywhere in the west. Not only does it hold the world record in terms of speed (574,8 km/h reached in a test run) but on certain regular lines the TGV peaks at some 350 km/h.

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Rail network is a good example of why would a socialism system should perform better in short term because of :

Price of energy (if subsidies used)
Lower price of work force
Easier acquisition of land (sometimes by force)

I agree that in capitalism vs socialism models in the same place for subject of rail it would be better to work under a socialism model (for a short term)

your example works when we talk about France under socialism vs France under capitalism but when it comes to France vs UK comparison in rail subject there are other considerations such as cost of whole project, it's necessity, benefits and ...

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It helps a lot if you connect France through land to some of the wealthiest countries such as Italy ,Germany and Spain.

But building same length of railroad for UK would be much harder and more costlier and less productive.(both land and sea)


Geography and size of your neighbors matters in this example.



A better comparison would be in the field of education (which almost in any system in this world is a socialism tool).

Is education in more pro socialism system like France works better or is it better in a more pro capitalism system like UK ?



Another example would be in the field of industry,
Were Iranians happier with their car makers and their production of Peykan (UK) or they were happier with their Peugeot (France) production ? (in their own era)



I will leave problems of subsidized housing for future posts please remind me if I forgot to post about it ( bad memory)
 
Any time in Iran that a Government wants to build something all the traitors come out of their holes and give you a million reasons why you should not build anything and let the market do its job...Well for 8 years Rohanni mother f*cker did not build any thing and was so proud of it (sure made MI6 proud too!) and guess what ..market did not build anything either..

I hope Raisi builds and build and builds and the hell with any traitor who say otherwise...and If he fails to build I be the first one to curse him also..:azn:
When you compare Iran with other countries that don't have these things it would be correct to follow model of building for the sake of building but when it comes to comparison with other industrial powers if you want to follow the model of socialism and government owned everything you better put 10 billion IQ people on top in order to do the planing which I highly doubt that we have access to such high quality dudes :) .

I would any day put collective intelligence of our people over few elites in our governmental institutions even though some of these guys are exceptional people in what they are doing.and some them are just pretenders
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Any time in Iran that a Government wants to build something all the traitors come out of their holes and give you a million reasons why you should not build anything and let the market do its job...Well for 8 years Rohanni mother f*cker did not build any thing and was so proud of it (sure made MI6 proud too!) and guess what ..market did not build anything either..

I hope Raisi builds and build and builds and the hell with any traitor who say otherwise...and If he fails to build I be the first one to curse him also..:azn:
Go to hell paid kid , I was here from 2012 with username of Twilight and now Oldtwilight ,
Iran government is curopted self destructive government which is destroying Iran , Iranian culture and shia sect as whole ...

Their supposed fighter jet program started at 1990s and now in 2020s there is no useful results.... 30 years passed ....

Just like their car industry

For understanding the traitorous nature ISI held car industry , I should present you with real example , They just changed pegouet 206 front light and name it 207 and then they stopped production of 206 , the problem is that 207 is almost twice as expensive as 206 .... This is true nature of ISI


There was time when I was happily support IRI but now days I believe if ISI take all the world then it would only bring misfortune to all people of earth and turn them to atheists
 
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When you compare Iran with other countries that don't have these things it would be correct to follow model of building for the sake of building but when it comes to comparison with other industrial powers if you want to follow the model of socialism and government owned everything you better put 10 billion IQ people on top in order to do the planing which I highly doubt that we have access to such high quality dudes :) .

I would any day put collective intelligence of our people over few elites in our governmental institutions even though some of these guys are exceptional people in what they are doing.and some them are just pretenders
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Name a country with more traitors (both inside and outside) than IRI. No country has more enemies right now, not even Russia (whose foreign populace is at least mildly supportive). They are like cancerous tumours (see what I did there...)
 
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