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Pakistan as a solution to the Chinese demographic problem

We must protect our women from the Pheene's (if its not genuine)
We need new laws.

1. Pakistani Muslim women are legally forbidden to marry non-Muslim men.

2. Pakistani women married to foreign man cannot get the man a marriage visa. He must apply through the usual business routes or whatever and try his luck there.

3. Pakistani man married to foreign woman can get her a marriage visa.

It is about preserving your lands and people.

@Sayfullah

Ancient Turks never recognized you group of West Asian Muslims. Don't look for your father everywhere.
Genetic studies on Turkish people
Your neighbors Syria, Iran, and Greece all have a history of more than 6,000 years. Who do you want to deceive?
Why do we need the recognition of others? It makes no difference to us
 
We need new laws.

1. Pakistani Muslim women are legally forbidden to marry non-Muslim men.

2. Pakistani women married to foreign man cannot get the man a marriage visa. He must apply through the usual business routes or whatever and try his luck there.

3. Pakistani man married to foreign woman can get her a marriage visa.

It is about preserving your lands and people.
Lol If you were here in U.K/West then you will be considered from the far right like Tommy Robinson who has similar views to yours. And funny enough your people here don't like people like him for obvious reasons. 😆 as one Pakistanis member here said its funny that some immigrants in the West cry against being marginalised or some laws not going their way 100% , yet when they are in their home countries they want farrrrrrrrrrr more stringent/drastic laws against foreigners from other countries . If anything Western countries are by far the most accommodating funny enough..😁😆
 
Anyone with a sane mind would not invest their hard earn cash in Pakistan these days. Anyway, Pakistan has already defaulted technically.
 

Demographic changes in China offer Pakistan opportunities that would need well-informed and thought-out public policy
Shahid Javed Burki

Pakistan borders two of the world’s most populous countries – India and China. Until a few weeks ago, China had more people than India but then the latter, with a higher rate of population growth, went past China and became the world’s largest country. Does it matter that Pakistan borders these two mega-population countries? I will argue in this article that the demographic changes in China offer Pakistan opportunities it could and should exploit but that would need well-informed and well-thought-out public policy. At this point to would be appropriate to a go a bit into history.

Mao Zedong, the founding father of modern China and the country’s supreme leader for 27 years, was apprehensive that at the rate at which the country’s population was growing, China would not be able to feed itself. He had a strong belief in self-reliance. He did not want the country’s population to reach the point at which it will have to depend on imported food to provide enough nourishment to a growing population. In the last few years of Mao’s rule of China, the country’s population was growing at more than 20 million a year.

Under Mao’s stewardship, the country had been through two famines; the first in the late 1950s, a decade after the Communist Party of China had taken full control of the country. Mao was in a hurry to make China an important country on the global scene. He wanted to industrialise the country while remaining self-sufficient in food. The Mao approach resulted in the adoption of the policy the history knows as the ‘Great Leap Forward’. The idea was that the principle of self-reliance would apply not only to the entire country but to individual households as well. Families would produce within the confines of their homes and the small bits of land that had been left with them after collectivisation. The result of the policy was a plunge in food production that had the Chinese go through first of the two famines during the Mao era. Millions of people died of starvation.

Mao reacted to the crisis by adopting what came to be called the ‘one child policy’. No Chinese couple could have more than one child. Second pregnancies were aborted. Abortion became common and with the strong preference for male children, the Chinese aborted girls leaving the country with a highly skewed gender imbalance. In 2022, China had a sex ratio of 104.69 men to every 100 women. It reached a point where it began to import girls from neighbouring countries the Chinese men could marry.

The one child policy produced results Mao would have appreciated. On February 17, 2023, China’s Bureau of Statistics announced a decline of 850,000 people, bringing the total population to 1.4118 billion – the first such decline in 60 years. The birth rate reached its lowest level on record, 6.77 per 1,000 people down from 7.52 in 2021. The last time China’s population declined was in 1961, after three years of Mao’s disastrous ‘Great Leap Forward’ industrial policy. Although long predicted, the decline in population arrived sooner than expected. Leading Chinese scholars and the United Nations estimated as recently as 2019 that the downward trend would not begin until early in the 2030s. The decline in the rate of growth of population results in its ageing. This has serious economic consequences as experienced by Japan over the last couple of decades. Japan is now the oldest society in the world with 29% of the country’s population over 65. With a comparably contracting work force, China too could fall short of the ambition to become a global leader.

Even though experience has shown that state policies directed at changing population growth rates seldom produces the intended results, the Chinese cities are attempting to increase the rate of population growth. For instance, Shanghai last year gave mothers an additional 60 days of maternity leave on top of state-mandated time off; paternity leave was extended to 10 days. Shenzhen on January 17 became the latest Chinese city to give out almost $1,500 for couples who had a third child. Beijing, in other words, has come a long distance when Mao, the Supreme Leader, attempted to drastically reduce the birth rate.

There is now an urgency being attached to bringing change in demographic trends as President Xi Jinping’s policy of ‘national rejuvenation’ depends on a large, growing and well-educated population. He has sought to tackle the long-term economic and social pressures from a shrinking, ageing society by lifting the limits on family size imposed by some of the country’s earlier leaders. He has taken steps to build a strong social safety network and announced a new phase of high-quality growth less dependent on legions of cheap, abundant migrant workers from the countryside. “The population issue is the most important issue for the future but is the one that is most easily neglected,” Ren Zeping, a former chief economist for the Evergrande Group, a massive housing developer, who has studied the looming demographic crunch, wrote in widely circulated comment after the population numbers were released on February 17.

One of the options available to China to address the worker-shortages it has begun to experience is to import people from the neighbouring countries, from a country such as Pakistan which has one of the youngest populations in the world. As is well known, China built its economy initially by exporting labour-intensive products to the West. However, rapid development has resulted in higher wages. Several Chinese enterprises have moved their operations to labour-surplus countries such as Laos, Cambodia, Thailand and Indonesia. Chinese enterprises have not come to Pakistan as they consider the general public is not welcoming. Some of the anti-China sentiment that has been created is the result of Indian endeavours where articles are written and sold to Pakistani authors who are prepared to publish them under their names.

However, the country is experiencing another kind of worker shortage. With its technological sector rapidly developing, China needs large number of well-educated and trained workers. With a concerted effort that is made by the government working with the private sector, Pakistan could produce the well-trained and educated work force the Chinese need. Japan with worker-shortages that are also the result of demographic change has begun to import Indian workers who have graduated from the well-known science and technology institutions the country has established over the last six decades. Pakistan could follow the Indian example.
Well, I fully support this move.. At least this is one of the only thing Pakistan can provide/help China with going forward. China should take Pakistan offer for help. 😁😆
 
No I am talking about Chinese Americans. Not all of them but a few of them
No doubt there are, I just don't think they are in sufficiently large majority anywhere, - large enough to have a community church built.

Koreans on the other hand are BIG church goers, not only did they build many chapels and churches, I heard they also invented a sect or something..
Uyghur many are practicing and very religious.
I am not surprised about this.
I am surprised you guys have the audacity to stand in someone else’s land and dare tell them if they can have prayer breaks or not. I’m surprised you guys are foolish enough to pick a fight with people known to destroy super powers and empires.
Tolerance? Be lucky you mushrik’s still have a head on your soldiers while you step on Muslim land with your arrogance. The little tolerance the Muslims of East Turkistan have for you guys will run out eventually.
East Turkistan is Uyghur Muslim land. You and your state shouldn’t test its luck. Muslims have a history of humiliating super powers be it Romans, Persians, Soviets or Americans.

wow all these superpowers talk yet you can't do a damn thing about a tiny Israel, how come? :laugh: Are jews your best buddies now or is Israel some kind of unmatched hyperpower? lol

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76 years and counting.

until the day you can actually free the Palestinians, your tough talk on your East Turkistan just sounds like a butt hurt rant to me, lil bro.
 
Lol If you were here in U.K/West then you will be considered from the far right like Tommy Robinson who has similar views to yours. And funny enough your people here don't like people like him for obvious reasons. 😆 as one Pakistanis member here said its funny that some immigrants in the West cry against being marginalised or some laws not going their way 100% , yet when they are in their home countries they want farrrrrrrrrrr more stringent/drastic laws against foreigners from other countries . If anything Western countries are by far the most accommodating funny enough..😁😆
I don't care what happens in your country that's your problem, it's what you decided and if you have a problem take it up with your government.
If this is what me and my people want then Mike2000's opinion doesn't matter. :cheers:
 
Lol If you were here in U.K/West then you will be considered from the far right like Tommy Robinson who has similar views to yours. And funny enough your people here don't like people like him for obvious reasons. 😆 as one Pakistanis member here said its funny that some immigrants in the West cry against being marginalised or some laws not going their way 100% , yet when they are in their home countries they want farrrrrrrrrrr more stringent/drastic laws against foreigners from other countries . If anything Western countries are by far the most accommodating funny enough..😁😆

Yes, they are very quick to cry the white man is racist but then want the same things back in their own country.
 
Yes, they are very quick to cry the white man is racist but then want the same things back in their own country.
Yeah true. However, I think it's quite common. People will cry when things doesn't favour them ,but if put in the position of strength then they might even turn worse than the ones they were complaining about. So the victim most often times can be even worse than their oppressor when he gets the upper hand. Lol
Just look at Iraqi shias. They were crying to the world complaining about Saddam Hussein's sunnis regime oppressing, killing and maltreating them for decades, pleading with the West to intervene and save them from their sunnis butcher/tyrant regime. Yet when we depose saddam and dismantle his sunnis oppressive regime and gave power to the majority shias in Iraq, they also turn out to be similar to their former oppressors. Now the sunnis are the ones complaining about the same thing. Lol It was so bad at one point (especially during Al Malikis regime) that many desperate sunnis even formed radical groups to fight back-and join other islamist radical groups like ISIS. Similar examples can be seen even in India where Hindus nationalists arr publicly calling for a Hindus country and marginalising/despising the Muslim minorities . In Pakistan its same with the Muslim majority suppressing religious minorities like Hindus to the point that you barely have much of them left there compared to when the country got independence. Lol etc etc.
So it's quite common for the victims to become the oppressor when he has the upper hand. So most of them only cry because they are in the position of weakness at that time and they have no real power to really show their true feelings or act on it.

Just like the say you can only know a poor man's real character if you give him money and power. 😆
 
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I don't care what happens in your country that's your problem, it's what you decided and if you have a problem take it up with your government.
If this is what me and my people want then Mike2000's opinion doesn't matter. :cheers:
Yeah I actually agree with you. I was just making an observation. By the way, I have no issues with our government open minded and inclusive policy of accomodating other groups/races/religious minorities different from us.
I guess there's a reason why most people around the world choose to/give everything they can to migrate to Western countries when they can, instead of going to Russia, N.Korea, India, Pakistan, China, Iran etc.
 
Yeah I actually agree with you. I was just making an observation. By the way, I have no issues with our government open minded and inclusive policy of accomodating other groups/races/religious minorities different from us.
I guess there's a reason why most people around the world choose to/give everything they can to migrate to Western countries when they can, instead of going to Russia, N.Korea, India, Pakistan, China, Iran etc.
Well you need to understand our perspective, throughout history our "inclusivity" only got us taken advantage of, and very recently our "inclusivity" of Afghans cost us constant bomb blasts, terrorism and partially our economy. You get protests, people not speaking English, perhaps people cursing Britain, a hanful of grooming gangs (this is serious tbf), but on the other hand we don't know if we'll go another week/month without a bomb blast, which could even be in our capital with family or friends, or ourselves involved.

So i'm sorry if it's harsh but for once i'd prefer if my people focused on personal development rather than trying to accomadate with all that diversity rubbish which complicates things.

No hard feelings buddy, many English people are good and kind hearted people, it's more of a personal thing rather than specifically anyone else.
 
If you think Pakistan is going to create an educated skilled workforce, you've clearly not met our politicians.

I guess there's a reason why most people around the world choose to/give everything they can to migrate to Western countries when they can, instead of going to Russia, N.Korea, India, Pakistan, China, Iran etc.

1. Colonial links - if you're a Pakistani, you're more likely to know English than Russian.
2. Migrants go where the money is at.
 
Meanwhile back in the real world
Pakistani/Indians/Muslims flooding the West/Europe
Latinos flooding America. Whites having few to no children. GG
 
Based.

But we shouldn't give citizenship purely based on marriage. Only to foreign women if they are marrying a Pakistani man.

Anyway about the Uyghuir issue, although it's a highly saddening situation, there's not much anyone else can do and especially not Pakistan.

China has helped us a lot and we are allies. I see no justifiable reason to break this alliance and even if we did, it would bear no fruits at all. I don’t think anyone can truly help those people it is just a harsh reality.
China is allies with Pakistan. It’s govt to govt.
Just because government of Pakistan is allies with China doesn’t mean I have to be as well.
I’m dual national anyways. Just assume it’s a Canadian Muslim standing up for Uyghurs. Helping them physically is hard but as a Muslim I will help them in any capacity I can so, if that means pushing their narrative online then I will do it. I’m not Pakistani government or state. Their case why they’re silent or allies with them applies to them only. My words won’t break any alliances. There’s ways to act based on your position and authority. Me being a Canadian Pakistani Muslim, my way of standing up for Uyghurs is completely justifiable.
 
China is allies with Pakistan. It’s govt to govt.
Just because government of Pakistan is allies with China doesn’t mean I have to be as well.
I’m dual national anyways. Just assume it’s a Canadian Muslim standing up for Uyghurs. Helping them physically is hard but as a Muslim I will help them in any capacity I can so, if that means pushing their narrative online then I will do it. I’m not Pakistani government or state. Their case why they’re silent or allies with them applies to them only. My words won’t break any alliances. There’s ways to act based on your position and authority. Me being a Canadian Pakistani Muslim, my way of standing up for Uyghurs is completely justifiable.
Yeah, as an individual it makes sense.

But at a national level there's really nothing anyone can do, and for Pakistan it's like purposefully internationally isolating yourself and taking your own self off life support.
 

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