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USA is finally out of Afghanistan

The bigger message here was we can't do this again, we can't keep doing this kind of thing again.

If we perceive a threat in another country we have to deal with it but we can't go and fight other people's insurgent wars and we can't go and do what he called nation building again.

That is a new Biden-ism if you like. It's something we have known he's thought for a long time... and now, here, we have him setting out what approaches, I think, a doctrine.
 
A great speech from the President!

Indeed. A great speech. I was also very impressed by his speech in April when he had announced the 'unconditional' withdrawal. While that speech was great, his 'unconditional' part surprised me--and won my admiration for him. Why so? Because I know what kind of political attacks he would face in case of a debacle by using the 'unconditional' insertion. Yet the man has stood his ground! That's what I would call a ' true leader'. Now, do note that I voted for Trump in 2020 but I have always liked Biden as a person in comparison.

So the speech was very carefully crafted not only about his justifying this reasoning for the withdrawal--the reasoning I totally agree with, except I think Bagram airbase should have been kept EVEN if Taliban had taken over Kabul, just for evacuation purposes. Biden also indirectly told the Republicans: It was YOUR Trump who signed the agreement and signed that on implicitly unconditional terms. So stop getting political mileage out of it. But, of course, the Republicans won't backoff--- and neither would Democrats given such an opening.

PS. By listening to the US officials, it is becoming more and more obvious that some kind of indirect working relationship, if not recognition, is going to be the the path to take. The opposite of this was a possibility that US would recognize the Panjshir Pappu and destroy the important military assets grabbed by the Taliban after the departure.
 
To watch a 40 minute interview is not easy. But India's brilliant Thapar and Pakistan's brilliant Maleeha Lodhi had to be watched in its entirety!

 
A Cathartic day for the Taliban. For most of them, they have only known life with foreign troops in their country. Considering many lost family and comrades in the fight or just daily living, it’s understandable seeing the outpouring of emotion and thanks to the almighty in a generally stoic people:


On the otherside, voices in the armed forces of western nations are asking what they fought for and why decisions were made they way they were; I.e. accountability from senior leadership. One Lt. Col. has come to prominence for resigning his commission, medical benefits and his pension, all in an effort to get answers. There maybe misguided folks that hear his message (and statements by Trump, that said the Afghans coming to the states were rapists) and may want to take out their frustration on minorities, so people should be a little extra vigilant for mentally disturbed individuals for the foreseeable future, calls to veteran suicide hotlines have doubled in recent weeks.

Trump’s word: “With zero evidence, Trump claimed Afghan evacuees who have arrived in the U.S. include “many terrorists” and “criminal rapists.” “

 
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The purpose of this invasion and occupation was not to bring peace and prosperity to Afghanistan. It was always to strengthen the American military machine. And the funny thing is that we see peoples , says that the United States has failed miserably in Afghanistan haha this is hilarious.

In fact, this has never been the goal of successive US administrations to help the Afghani people or defeat the Taliban, from Bush to Biden to Obama and Trump. The United States has, in fact, been astonishingly successful at doing exactly what it wants: demonstrating military might, testing the latest weapons and tactics of warfare, asserting global hegemony, and deploying its regional strategic positions against Russia and China.

Central Asia has been a target of American imperial strategists for decades. The events of September 11 served as a pretext for the United States to demonstrate its military capabilities and reshape its strategic options for asymmetric warfare in post-Soviet Central Asia. Neither Afghanistan nor the Taliban were ever their primary concern. They were like a smokescreen.

Over the past twenty years, the war in Afghanistan has been a major strategic achievement for the United States in this vast theater of operations. They now know the terrain better than ever and are ready to confront the Russian and Chinese spheres of influence. There is nothing more stupid than the popular notion that Afghanistan is the "graveyard of empires". Neither the American empire is dead in Afghanistan, nor the Russian imperial designs before it. Quite the opposite: the United States and Russia are both powerful military and imperial mechanisms that operate from Central Asia to the Indian Ocean and beyond. Their only real competitor is China.

20 years to test their latest weapons, and to bring ranks to their officers. They learned from the Taliban the means and methods of fighting the insurgents. Russia recently offered the United States to use Russian military bases in Central Asia to "gather intelligence" on Afghanistan. What kind of "graveyard" of empires is this? Haha

After all, Afghanistan is a graveyard for the tens of thousands of innocent Afghans who have died over the past two decades - and a resounding success of American military in the region and beyond.
 
They left this....

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The animals are still in cages?
The purpose of this invasion and occupation was not to bring peace and prosperity to Afghanistan. It was always to strengthen the American military machine. And the funny thing is that we see peoples , says that the United States has failed miserably in Afghanistan haha this is hilarious.

In fact, this has never been the goal of successive US administrations to help the Afghani people or defeat the Taliban, from Bush to Biden to Obama and Trump. The United States has, in fact, been astonishingly successful at doing exactly what it wants: demonstrating military might, testing the latest weapons and tactics of warfare, asserting global hegemony, and deploying its regional strategic positions against Russia and China.

Central Asia has been a target of American imperial strategists for decades. The events of September 11 served as a pretext for the United States to demonstrate its military capabilities and reshape its strategic options for asymmetric warfare in post-Soviet Central Asia. Neither Afghanistan nor the Taliban were ever their primary concern. They were like a smokescreen.

Over the past twenty years, the war in Afghanistan has been a major strategic achievement for the United States in this vast theater of operations. They now know the terrain better than ever and are ready to confront the Russian and Chinese spheres of influence. There is nothing more stupid than the popular notion that Afghanistan is the "graveyard of empires". Neither the American empire is dead in Afghanistan, nor the Russian imperial designs before it. Quite the opposite: the United States and Russia are both powerful military and imperial mechanisms that operate from Central Asia to the Indian Ocean and beyond. Their only real competitor is China.

20 years to test their latest weapons, and to bring ranks to their officers. They learned from the Taliban the means and methods of fighting the insurgents. Russia recently offered the United States to use Russian military bases in Central Asia to "gather intelligence" on Afghanistan. What kind of "graveyard" of empires is this? Haha

After all, Afghanistan is a graveyard for the tens of thousands of innocent Afghans who have died over the past two decades - and a resounding success of American military in the region and beyond.

This ladies and gentlemen is why Arabs aren’t taken seriously in military circles. You not only screw up politically, militarily but also fail in realizing if a strategic objective is achieved or not.

@Meengla
We still have to see how fast the Panjsher situation can be sorted out if it drags on to long it’s been a bone in kabob situation long term.
 
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Taliban leaders held three days of meetings in the southern city of Kandahar that ended on Monday.

Hibatullah Akhundzada reportedly chaired the talks and had been expected to appear in public for the first time in years in the spiritual home of the Taliban - but he did not show up.

Akhundzada, who is believed to be in his 60s, became the supreme commander of the Taliban in May 2016.

In the 1980s, he participated in the Islamist resistance against the Soviet military campaign in Afghanistan - but his reputation is more that of a religious leader than a military commander.

Akhundzada worked as head of the Sharia Courts in the 1990s.

He is in charge of political, military and religious affairs.
 
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