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Imran Khan visit to USA and meeting with Donald Trump - Implications

Has any body here been monitoring the india media?...

there are going bananas.... their entire false narrative has thrown in the air...

and the mayors of kabul have been reduced to a asking for clarification of trump's comments..


The efforts of just one man turned things around...


PS where are the indian posters?...
 
Congratulations to Pakistan. PMIK has done well here.

You should be careful though. Trump is capable of deleting months of progress with one tweet.
Very true, but that would require Pakistan or the US to do something really stupid
 
Agreed. However we are not really looking to discuss the results here. The idea was to have a realistic and balanced opinion on what possible can come from this tour and meeting.


That is the most probable development that we might see as a result of the visit. More probable than many other things people have wished or hoped for
i hope PM discussed the CSF ..the most likely way is to ask USA to adjust it in loan forgiveness( USA can forgive its parts of loan in different funds as it did in early 2000s) ..this will only require executive orders ..or may be in EDA weapon stocks

i doubt we can get alot through congress in absence of lobbying
 
US may release CSF funding for Pakistan

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ISLAMABAD: Ruling out possibility of any rescheduling of foreign debt under Paris Club arrangement with the blessings of USA, Pakistan might see positive movement on release of pending funds of $9 billion from USA in shape of Coalition Support Fund (CSF). But this could only happen if truce in Afghanistan struck successfully as Washington is expecting some ‘positive outcome’ by September 2019.

Although, the US administration had proposed no funding for release of CSF funding for Pakistan in its proposed budget for 2019-20 which was currently under consideration before Congress but in case of successful completion of peace talks at Doha and signing of pact among different Afghan stakeholders, the Trump administration could propose amendment for restoring military aid for Pakistan. The restoration of military aid might also pave the way for release of pending CSF bills ranging up to $9 billion.

It will not be favour to Pakistan because these are expenditures already incurred to flush out extremists from the adjacent areas of Afghanistan but the pending bills even after reconciliation were not cleared by USA despite passing of several years.

In the aftermath of meeting held between Donald Trump and Imran Khan on Monday in Washington DC, Pakistani authorities were arguing that Washington could move ahead on clearing pending bill to the tune of $9 billion in a phased manner. The US President Donald Trump had given some indication when stated that the US assistance was stopped when Pakistan was not helping USA, pinning hopes that it might consider to resume per annum assistance both for military and civilian assistance.

This scribe talked two key policy makers on economic front and both were unanimous that there was no discussion held on possibility of rescheduling of foreign loans from Paris Club as was done in the past during the era of former military ruler Gen (R) Pervez Musharraf in 2001-2 when he had decided to stand with US in its war against terror. But now authorities say that it involved many complications and they did not see it feasible at this point of time.

When contacted to former secretary finance Dr Waqar Masood who had spearheaded campaign of signing deal with different Paris Club countries separately while serving as then secretary EAD, said that the Paris Club rescheduling of $12 billion at that time was quite crucial because the size of economy stood at $84 billion. Now the size of economy had increased manifold so its importance also decreased.

However, the official sources argued that the military and civilian aid could be resumed provided peaceful settlement struck at Afghanistan. Without effective role of Islamabad the possibility of signing any durable truce is not possible.

In September 2018, the Trump administration had blocked $300 million amount on account of reimbursement of Coalition Support Fund (CSF). Over $9 billion claims of Islamabad were still pending before US administration on account of CSF. Pakistan’s Ministry of Finance has incorporated zero funding from the USA in shape of reimbursement from CSF during the current fiscal year’s budget for 2019-20.

After becoming an ally of US-led war against terror in 2001-2, Pakistan and US had placed mechanism for reimbursement of bills amount after launching military offensive against terror networks.

During this period, Islamabad had received $14 billion from US on account of CSF, said one top official of Finance Division and added that over $9 billion claims were still pending before Trump administration. “Even reconciled amounts were not yet fully paid up by US,” said senior official and added that Washington provided peanuts to Pakistan so far on this front.

Another official said that Pakistan had to bear expenses of war on terror after borrowings from domestic and foreign lenders keeping in view yawning financing of budget deficit on which the government had borne interest rate which was paid with taxpayers money.

Pakistan had incurred direct and indirect losses to the tune of $126.79 billion equivalent to Rs10,762.64 billion from 2001-2 to 2017-18. In the last Economic Survey 2018-19, the government did not incorporate any figures on account of losses after becoming an ally of USA in its war against terror.
https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/502734-us-may-release-csf-funding-for-pakistan
 
US may release CSF funding for Pakistan

Listen





502734_883611_000_akhbar.jpg


ISLAMABAD: Ruling out possibility of any rescheduling of foreign debt under Paris Club arrangement with the blessings of USA, Pakistan might see positive movement on release of pending funds of $9 billion from USA in shape of Coalition Support Fund (CSF). But this could only happen if truce in Afghanistan struck successfully as Washington is expecting some ‘positive outcome’ by September 2019.

Although, the US administration had proposed no funding for release of CSF funding for Pakistan in its proposed budget for 2019-20 which was currently under consideration before Congress but in case of successful completion of peace talks at Doha and signing of pact among different Afghan stakeholders, the Trump administration could propose amendment for restoring military aid for Pakistan. The restoration of military aid might also pave the way for release of pending CSF bills ranging up to $9 billion.

It will not be favour to Pakistan because these are expenditures already incurred to flush out extremists from the adjacent areas of Afghanistan but the pending bills even after reconciliation were not cleared by USA despite passing of several years.

In the aftermath of meeting held between Donald Trump and Imran Khan on Monday in Washington DC, Pakistani authorities were arguing that Washington could move ahead on clearing pending bill to the tune of $9 billion in a phased manner. The US President Donald Trump had given some indication when stated that the US assistance was stopped when Pakistan was not helping USA, pinning hopes that it might consider to resume per annum assistance both for military and civilian assistance.

This scribe talked two key policy makers on economic front and both were unanimous that there was no discussion held on possibility of rescheduling of foreign loans from Paris Club as was done in the past during the era of former military ruler Gen (R) Pervez Musharraf in 2001-2 when he had decided to stand with US in its war against terror. But now authorities say that it involved many complications and they did not see it feasible at this point of time.

When contacted to former secretary finance Dr Waqar Masood who had spearheaded campaign of signing deal with different Paris Club countries separately while serving as then secretary EAD, said that the Paris Club rescheduling of $12 billion at that time was quite crucial because the size of economy stood at $84 billion. Now the size of economy had increased manifold so its importance also decreased.

However, the official sources argued that the military and civilian aid could be resumed provided peaceful settlement struck at Afghanistan. Without effective role of Islamabad the possibility of signing any durable truce is not possible.

In September 2018, the Trump administration had blocked $300 million amount on account of reimbursement of Coalition Support Fund (CSF). Over $9 billion claims of Islamabad were still pending before US administration on account of CSF. Pakistan’s Ministry of Finance has incorporated zero funding from the USA in shape of reimbursement from CSF during the current fiscal year’s budget for 2019-20.

After becoming an ally of US-led war against terror in 2001-2, Pakistan and US had placed mechanism for reimbursement of bills amount after launching military offensive against terror networks.

During this period, Islamabad had received $14 billion from US on account of CSF, said one top official of Finance Division and added that over $9 billion claims were still pending before Trump administration. “Even reconciled amounts were not yet fully paid up by US,” said senior official and added that Washington provided peanuts to Pakistan so far on this front.

Another official said that Pakistan had to bear expenses of war on terror after borrowings from domestic and foreign lenders keeping in view yawning financing of budget deficit on which the government had borne interest rate which was paid with taxpayers money.

Pakistan had incurred direct and indirect losses to the tune of $126.79 billion equivalent to Rs10,762.64 billion from 2001-2 to 2017-18. In the last Economic Survey 2018-19, the government did not incorporate any figures on account of losses after becoming an ally of USA in its war against terror.
https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/502734-us-may-release-csf-funding-for-pakistan

No more drug. I know getting money is important, very important and urgent, but not drug. Please no more drug.
 
i hope PM discussed the CSF ..the most likely way is to ask USA to adjust it in loan forgiveness( USA can forgive its parts of loan in different funds as it did in early 2000s) ..this will only require executive orders ..or may be in EDA weapon stocks

i doubt we can get alot through congress in absence of lobbying

I am smelling new defense deal. or atleast revamping old ones

I dont think PM discussed any of those things. They must and should have been left for COAS to discuss with US military authorities.

To me the tour was only a step taken to normalize relations and any gains will come only if we keep working in the right direction. Do not expect any massive gain from just one visit that had more of a "breaking ice" objective than anything else.

Well, one of the Bosses (@Arsalan) said that he'll be merging the Threads into one at some point, but I thought i'd give my view.

This whole trip feels like a Bruce Springsteen Tour. I mean IK is nothing short of The Boss himself currently in the US. I can't recall the last time I had seen this kind of reception given to any of our past (God forsaken) leaders.

Yeah, sure there may be people arguing that what good has come out of this Trip. Yeah, there is that one fool on PDF who appears to make certain his name is the last posted.

But, we may not have come back with Aid, F-16's or Dr. Aafia Siddiqui..., but from the praises I've heard from Trump, Pelosi & other members of the House - IK has done well for Pakistan.

Now if good things do happen down the line, you can be certain that the PML-N/PPP nuts are gonna go on their tirade that its because THEY had formed good relations with the US when they were in Power.

Haters (India/PML-N/PPP) found this video disturbing as it praises our leader PM Imran Khan...
Very well said. The thing is, you cannot expect US to go bonkers over Imran Khan visit and statements he made and take a 180 degree turn on their policies. They do not play it that way. However the trip seems to have achieved the desired goal, it was talked about and it caught attention of US authorities. The next step from this will be to keep implementing the right changes on our side and keep in contact with them, only then we will start improving the relations rapidly. US, specially Trump wont be blown away with a single meet. Actions will need to follow up on words to deliver something good for both nations.
 
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Why do you say so ? I mean what have drugs to do with the CSF?

Because joining other war for money is a drug of mercenary.

I could be wrong off course but I really think money is becoming drug.

When Europeans colonised America, they used many tricks to “destroy” the real natives of America. And money was one of them.


Instead of CSF or others name, I would like more trades , more export from Pakistan.
 
We want trade not aid. Make our exports 10 times what is now with US and European countries.
 
If an accord is struck in Afghanistan between the 3, rest assured its in Pakistan's interest and will be pursued without any conditions. We want Afghanistan to become stable and not as a hot bed for anti Pakistan activities. CSF might come because US owes that money however anything else and we should politely say no. No more aid of any kind as PM made absolutely clear. Instead we would want US to support us in FATF, getting access to US markets, and maybe easy access to US visa for Pakistanis. More engagement is needed on equal footing.
 
No more drug. I know getting money is important, very important and urgent, but not drug. Please no more drug.

The payments for transit fees, airspace use etc etc need to be paid. Those are services Pakistan provided and calling it 'funding' is wrong. Basically Pakistan has invoiced USA and it's a debt USA has to pay.

Aid was not requested.
 
Because joining other war for money is a drug of mercenary.

I could be wrong off course but I really think money is becoming drug.

When Europeans colonised America, they used many tricks to “destroy” the real natives of America. And money was one of them.


Instead of CSF or others name, I would like more trades , more export from Pakistan.
I agree with the drug abuse of the western people and CIA's drug trade
but CSF is not aid. It is the money we have already spent on cleaning the terrorists from our areas adjacent to Afghanistan. Please read
It will not be favour to Pakistan because these are expenditures already incurred to flush out extremists from the adjacent areas of Afghanistan but the pending bills even after reconciliation were not cleared by USA despite passing of several years.
Though I have many times blasted on the rat Pervez Mush. for agreeing to such humiliating conditions without counselling even his own corps commanders. But still the CSF is our money, it is not aid.
 
The payments for transit fees, airspace use etc etc need to be paid. Those are services Pakistan provided and calling it 'funding' is wrong. Basically Pakistan has invoiced USA and it's a debt USA has to pay.

Aid was not requested.

Thanks for the explanation, I was mixing aid with a the transit fees.

I understand now better now.
 
jeezus!

who deleted ma post??.. this is outrageous!
 
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