Peace in Afghanistan Will Not be Possible Until Kabul Acknowledges The Durand Line'

[MultaniGuy]

There are two course of actions.

1. Afghanistan accepts the Durand Line and the current borders. This would force the Afghan national government to halt their divisive propaganda against Pakistan.

In turn, Pakistan could work to bring some legitimacy to a government which is plagued by corruption, desertion, and ethnic/religious infighting.

However, neither the US, Israel, nor India would accept this, as their main goal of being in Afghanistan is to ensure Pakistan doesn’t become powerful.

2. If Afghanistan continues to promote the destabilization of Pakistan by proxy terrorism and with Indian financial, material support, Pakistan will be forced to use its own power base in KPK to nullify that threat.

The whole idea of Afghan secular nationalists that Afghan Pukhtoons are brave unbeatable mujahideen and Pakistani Pukhtoons are fake Gul khans will be turned on its head.

Pakistan, with 75% of the world Pukhtoon population, is the natural defender and guardian of the Pukhtoon cause. Our Pukhtoon population of KPK and Balochistan is more than the whole population of Afghanistan.

In this scenario, Afghanistan will have to be dissolved and rebuilt on an Islam-based Pukhtoon power base which rejects secularism and Western subjugation.

The flimsy Westernized mini-skirts and lowcut dresses (Pahlavi-esque, Beirut like) Afghanistan is simply incompatible with the culture of the Pukhtoon majority of Afghanistan.

Conclusion: Pakistan is the big brother of Afghanistan, and that will not change. Afghanistan is reliant culturally and economically to Pakistan. Regardless of foreign invaders’ wishes, Pakistan and Afghanistan’s unity is the normal way of our region and the equilibrium in our relations.

Any hatred and animosity is temporary.

Exactly as Pakistan is a 210 million strong Muslim nation with nuclear weapons it is the bigger brother of Afghanistan.

Afghanistan needs Pakistan, and Pakistan does not need Afghanistan.

Anyways Pakistanis think of Afghanistanis better because of similar culture and that Afghanistanis are Muslims.

Exactly there are more Pathans in Pakistan than in Afghanistan.

We have a bigger claim in Afghanistan than Afghanistan having a claim in Pakistan.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Exactly as Pakistan is a 210 million strong Muslim nation with nuclear weapons it is the bigger brother of Afghanistan.

Afghanistan needs Pakistan, and Pakistan does not need Afghanistan.

Anyways Pakistanis think of Afghanistanis better because of similar culture and that Afghanistanis are Muslims.

Exactly there are more Pathans in Pakistan than in Afghanistan.

We have a bigger claim in Afghanistan than Afghanistan having a claim in Pakistan.

Afghanistan is our base from which we launched attacks on Hindustan for 1000 years. Afghanistan was our base from which Mughals and Muslim mujahideen attacked British occupiers and inflicted heavy losses.

Afghanistan is the natural base from which Pakistan can defend itself from any invasion, hence why our enemies are trying to sabotage our relations.

It is very easy to unite two strong Muslim nations with such a shared history as ours, but our previous governments lacked the will and foresight.

It’s time to reset the conversation. Pakistan is here to establish it’s rightful place in Afghanistan, and it cannot be denied.

Pakistan and Afghanistan will unite together. It is only a matter of time. This is destiny.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Afghanistan is our base from which we launched attacks on Hindustan for 1000 years. Afghanistan was our base from which Mughals and Muslim mujahideen attacked British occupiers and inflicted heavy losses.

Afghanistan is the natural base from which Pakistan can defend itself from any invasion, hence why our enemies are trying to sabotage our relations.

It is very easy to unite two strong Muslim nations with such a shared history as ours, but our previous governments lacked the will and foresight.

It’s time to reset the conversation. Pakistan is here to establish it’s rightful place in Afghanistan, and it cannot be denied.

Pakistan and Afghanistan will unite together. It is only a matter of time. This is destiny.

That is what I am thinking too. Pakistan has its rightful place in Afghanistan. And nobody can deny that.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Exactly there are more Pathans in Pakistan than in Afghanistan.

Lar o bar Pukhtona. It’s the principles of Pukhtoonwali. Time to reclaim our destiny from these usurpers to create Loya Pakistan.

 

[Pakistansdefender]

Take wakhan corridor and balkanize Afghanistan.

If only we were a normal country ourselves. These kinds of plan works when you have your own house in order.
But still this is the only solution to the afghan quagmire. Balkanization of this god forsaken land.

 

[MultaniGuy]

If only we were a normal country ourselves. These kinds of plan works when you have your own house in order.
But still this is the only solution to the afghan quagmire. Balkanization of this god forsaken land.

To partition Afghanistan on ethnic lines would never work.

The Afghanistanis no matter how disunited they are would never accept that.

 

[Pakistansdefender]

To partition Afghanistan on ethnic lines would never work.

The Afghanistanis no matter how disunited they are would never accept that.

Sitting from here you don't know that.
Heck if you are from some city, you don't even know about your country.
But if you go deep Inside Afghanistan, the phustun and non phustun fights runs deep..

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

If only we were a normal country ourselves. These kinds of plan works when you have your own house in order.
But still this is the only solution to the afghan quagmire. Balkanization of this god forsaken land.

Afghanistan needs several things:

1. Re-education: to remove the hate fed by outsiders to them against their Iranian, Pakistan, and Turkish coreligionists and neighbors

2. Re-Islamization: to instill moral and honorable traits into the population to combat abuse and misuse of authority which plagues this country, again a result of servile relationships with invaders

3. Reshaping it’s education system: to de emphasize racism and chauvinism in favor of a shared Islamic destiny of all Muslims and a proper reading of the past Islamic dynasties.

 

[maximuswarrior]

"While many falsely accuse Islamabad of taking an ideological view on the political turbulence of its Afghan neighbour, the reality is that in the 1980s and 1990s, the reason why some in Islamabad were naturally sympathetic to the Mujaheddin and later to the Taliban was for one simple reason – the goal of the Afghan Taliban was to establish a state based on religious rather than nationalist characteristics. Because so much of both leftist and secular-conservative Afghan nationalism was framed around the concept of a “greater Afghanistan”, a concept which necessarily threatens Pakistan’s peace and unity, it was only natural for Islamabad to be sympathetic with those who did not hold such beliefs."

"before any all-parties peace conference can happen, all parties in Afghanistan must agree to acknowledge and respect the Durand line. If this does not happen, it risks having Pakistan negotiate from a position where it could set itself up to be taken advantage of by forces that have done so in the past (including the very recent past). If Pakistan and Afghanistan are to co-exist in peace, it is a fundamental requirement that Afghanistan understands where its borders end and where Pakistan’s begin."

https://eurasiafuture.com/2018/12/0...ble-until-kabul-acknowledges-the-durand-line/

Finally, an absolutely spot on article from the West that looks at the Afghanistan-Pakistan tensions and conflict dispassionately, outside of the usual, shallow Western & Indian prism of 'Pakistan's motivations are some sort of twisted, extremist, terrorism exporting pan-Islamist ideology'.

What this article states is something many Pakistanis have been arguing for years, and points to the absolute strategic incompetence (or deliberate subterfuge, depending on which theory you believe) on the part of the United States in Afghanistan.

I have already pointed out many times that the US is part of this problem. The US tacitly approves Afghan idea of greater Afghanistan. Their creation and support for the likes of PTM is a blatant proof. I think peace between Pakistan and Afghanistan is virtually impossible. Even if we take the US/NATO and India out of the equation. Afghanistan is like India unwilling to accept Pakistan's territorial sovereignty. There cannot be peace with such hateful proponents.

Pakistan must continue to fence the border and impose a strong monitoring regime at the borders. Repatriation of Afghans is a must.

 

[Path-Finder]

I have to say without doubt some of the most moronic arguments I have ever read. @Solomon2

One thing I want to add is that it's the commie dallay, marxist wankers from the north that have been the base of all the problems. They cannot even maintain their keep yet dream of grandeur far beyond their delusions.

Pakistan should not engage afghanistan but only engage those entities that Pakistan can settle and live by and those entities don't speak farsi/dari! (maybe excluding hazara)

commie marxist ethno bastards have led afghanistan into further ruins, they are a minority but with the aid of the yanks they have tried to subjugate violence against the majority and that has spectacularly failed. No wonder they are running around trying to have some form of peace dialogue with them.

These minions of karl marx have consumed a lot of $$$ which goes against their commie beliefs so it's nothing to do with ideology but rather where they can consume a lot of free funds from. Worse than Pakistani elite.

But recently we have seen many of these ethno fascist marxist are having a hard time as ethnic enclave is gathering under one banner which is bad news for divide and conquer. This is not talked about as often but it must be highlighted as ethnicity that divides usually, has been put aside by the people.

 

[Army research]

Take wakhan corridor and balkanize Afghanistan.

And all the pushtun regions, give parsi regions to Iran in exchange for small Baloch parts of Iran, turkic people to Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan,
There is not one single Afghan nationality or language which does not have a larger than Afghan population speakers outside of it ,

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I do have a view - actually, several views - but I hope that you will not take offence (they are emphatically not intended to cause offence).

Let me know if I have your license.

Absolutely. I can acknowledge that my views, like those of many others, are always going to have a degree of bias given my country of origin and loyalties - so it's always good to have opposing views on an issue. We may not agree at the end, but I always enjoy a civilized debate.

 

[Winchester]

Only Afghan Pushtuns have a problem with the legitimacy of the International border.

Our policy of reaching out to them and backing them in civil wars against other Afghan communities has not worked. It's time to change course and recognise who is our real enemy.

If anything the Pashteen shenanigans should open our eyes.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

The fact of the matter here is that Pakistan is greedy when it comes to asserting its sovereign rights and blind when it tramples on the traditional rights of others. The dispute can be moved towards solution if both parties stop being so jealous - and Pakistan, as the stronger party, can earn international goodwill by being the first to do so.

Absolutely not - Pakistan, despite its reservations on the interpretations of the IWT & several decisions against it during arbitration, has stuck to the treaty. Pakistan hasn't used the excuse of 'well, historically or traditionally the waters were supposed to flow to Pakistan, unimpeded by Indian dams upstream so the treaty is invalid'. It is Afghanistan that needs to similarly respect the Durand Agreement, the borders demarcated by that agreement, and subsequently ask for negotiations over easing the movement of peoples across the border.

You appear to be confusing Pakistan with Israel here when you refer to 'a greedy State' that tramples on the rights of Palestinians, forcibly occupying territory, ghettoizing the Palestinians in the shreds of land it leaves them, outright rejecting UNSC Resolutions and international condemnation and insisting upon a border that the majority of the world community and the UN rejects. You are in essence proposing that Afghanistan do to Pakistan what Israel has done to the Palestinians.

The Afghans could argue that the pre-1947 state of affairs was in effect an "agreement" to allow seasonal migration.

A lack of capacity to implement border control measures in the past does not constitute an 'agreement' - it merely means the means to enforce border controls were not present at some point in the past. Once the resources became available, Pakistan had every right under international law to start enforcing border control measures.

Whereas Pakistan doesn't need to respect Afghanistan at all? Really, do you want to solve the Pushtunistan problem or not? Or does Pakistan still refuse the wise instruction of its onetime General and Ambassador Yaqub-Khan that sometimes political solutions are more appropriate than military ones, even when it comes to pride of national sovereignty?

Pakistan will respect Afghanistan when Afghanistan ceases to be a threat to Pakistani territorial integrity and sovereignty by officially accepting the current Afghanistan-Pakistan border (as accepted by the UN and international community). Pakistan cannot respect a State that rejects international treaties and explicitly threatens Pakistan's territorial integrity.

Afghanistan has a legal option here, to take her case to the UN if she thinks it has merit, until then the Af-Pak border, as demarcated under the Durand Agreement, is the internationally recognized legal border, and Pakistan is well within her rights & international obligations to implement any border control measures that she deems fit.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Only Afghan Pushtuns have a problem with the legitimacy of the International border.

Our policy of reaching out to them and backing them in civil wars against other Afghan communities has not worked. It's time to change course and recognise who is our real enemy.

If anything the Pashteen shenanigans should open our eyes.

You are correct - many non-Pashtun Afghan's are strongly opposed to this 'Greater Pashtunishtan' idea because a larger Pashtun population in Afghanistan would marginalize the other ethnic groups even further.