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By: Usman Ansari
10 October 2018


ISLAMABAD — Pakistan has conducted a training launch using its Hatf-V/Ghauri I medium-range ballistic missile that, according to a statement from the military’s ISPR media branch, was “aimed at testing the operational and technical readiness of Army Strategic Forces Command.”

An accompanying compilation clip of Monday’s test was unusual in that it showed the inert re-entry vehicle striking the target area, an aspect not always shown in such tests.

Ghauri I is a liquid-fueled missile with a range of 1,300 kilometers, and despite being described as able to carry nuclear or conventional warheads, analysts agree that the system, which has a mixed reliability record, has essentially been relegated to a training role.

Author, analyst and former Australian defense attache to Islamabad, Brian Cloughley, was attached to an MGR-1 Honest John Regiment when he served with the British Army in Germany from 1967-1969. The MGR-1 was a nuclear capable rocket widely used by NATO forces at the time. He says such tests as the one carried out on Monday must be regularly conducted.

“It’s good training, basically, even with a first-generation system, and the missiles are always there for a final emergency. One of the best aspects of training is the exercising of command and control in real time. That is always most valuable,” he said.

Using the stock of cheaper, less advanced Ghauri missiles for such test purposes leaves the more capable Shaheen series of solid-fuel missiles to be used operationally.

Unlike the Ghauri, the Shaheen series of missiles do not require a large logistics train for carrying fuel, or potentially up to two hours to prepare the missile for launch, and can instead be launched within a matter of minutes.

Even if used operationally, the Ghauri may have some limited operational value, according to Mansoor Ahmed, a former research fellow at the Harvard Kennedy School’s Belfer Centre and an associate with the Project on Managing the Atom at Belfer from 2018 2019.

“[They] are cheaper, can be used for saturated attacks to overwhelm [ballistic missile defense] systems,” said Ahmed, who specializes in Pakistan’s nuclear deterrent and delivery systems.

In this context, however, he highlighted Pakistan’s latest missile development program, the “MIRV-capable Ababeel” to combat BMD systems, which is more credible than the mass use of Ghauri missiles.

Nevertheless, despite the ISPR news release claiming “the launch consolidates Pakistan’s nuclear capability, which is aimed at peace and stability through a credible deterrence regime,” Ahmed believes Pakistan’s missile program needs to shift up a gear.

“Pakistan should be working on supersonic and hypersonic cruise missile systems” due to Indian missile developments, he said. “The growing imbalance will lead to deterrence failure.”

Pakistan tests its Hatf-V ballistic missile — but why bother when more capable alternatives exist? | defensenews.com
 
We won't let that happen

Evidently, it will happen. India's economy is growing strongly and with its greater size they will make the deterrence capabilities of Pakistan insufficient with time, unfortunately. (time might be 50, 100, 150 years)

Even though Afghanistan and Pakistan are "hostile" towards each other today, they must understand that their prosperity is tied together. Afghanistan can never prosper without the support of Pakistan (access to sea, trade etc.) and Pakistan will be more and more endangered if Afghanistan remains on the Indian side.

Afghanistan should realise its obligation to take Pakistans side against a country which kills and oppresses muslims. When Afghanistan (not Taliban) realises this, both Afghanistan and Pakistan can prosper and even merge. This would decrease Pakistans close proximity vulnerability to India while providing $3 trillion in natural resources to boost the economy and closing the gap with India.
 
Evidently, it will happen. India's economy is growing strongly and with its greater size they will make the deterrence capabilities of Pakistan insufficient with time, unfortunately. (time might be 50, 100, 150 years)

Even though Afghanistan and Pakistan are "hostile" towards each other today, they must understand that their prosperity is tied together. Afghanistan can never prosper without the support of Pakistan (access to sea, trade etc.) and Pakistan will be more and more endangered if Afghanistan remains on the Indian side.

Afghanistan should realise its obligation to take Pakistans side against a country which kills and oppresses muslims. When Afghanistan (not Taliban) realises this, both Afghanistan and Pakistan can prosper and even merge. This would decrease Pakistans close proximity vulnerability to India while providing $3 trillion in natural resources to boost the economy and closing the gap with India.

Your words carry great wisdom , I am also Pro Merge with Afghanistan as a extra Province for Pakistan. Since we both have same religious background. A permanent 500 year solution
 
Your words carry great wisdom , I am also Pro Merge with Afghanistan as a extra Province for Pakistan. Since we both have same religious background. A permanent 500 year solution

Same religious background, tied history, culture, language etc. There are little factual differences between the two nations.

And almost all the obstacles we face today from terrorism, poverty, foreign threat can be solved by combining our resources. The merged state would truly be a solid force and a protector for muslims in India.
 
Evidently, it will happen. India's economy is growing strongly and with its greater size they will make the deterrence capabilities of Pakistan insufficient with time, unfortunately. (time might be 50, 100, 150 years)

Even though Afghanistan and Pakistan are "hostile" towards each other today, they must understand that their prosperity is tied together. Afghanistan can never prosper without the support of Pakistan (access to sea, trade etc.) and Pakistan will be more and more endangered if Afghanistan remains on the Indian side.

Afghanistan should realise its obligation to take Pakistans side against a country which kills and oppresses muslims. When Afghanistan (not Taliban) realises this, both Afghanistan and Pakistan can prosper and even merge. This would decrease Pakistans close proximity vulnerability to India while providing $3 trillion in natural resources to boost the economy and closing the gap with India.
That's never going to happen afghans are by birth anti pakistan. And that's never going to change. The power of irrational sheer spite is far more than the power of religion caste sect race etc that's what I was telling two of my friends yesterday. @Kabira @Indus Pakistan

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/afghan-pakistani-forces-clash-along-disputed-border.581705/
 
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Same religious background, tied history, culture, language etc. There are little factual differences between the two nations.

And almost all the obstacles we face today from terrorism, poverty, foreign threat can be solved by combining our resources. The merged state would truly be a solid force and a protector for muslims in India.

+1
 
How come its always only Brian Cloughley that people bring on as an analyst to comment?
 
That's never going to happen afghans are by birth anti pakistan. And that's never going to change. The power of irrational sheer spite is far more than the power of religion caste sect race etc that's what I was telling two of my friends yesterday. @Kabira @Indus Pakistan

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/afghan-pakistani-forces-clash-along-disputed-border.581705/

I disagree - Afghanistan has an extremely young population and the state-of-mind could be changed in 15-20 years. Afghans are struck by misery at the moment, and we blame Pakistan for it (while most of it is self-inflicted) - Once Pakistani and Afghan leaders start to show brotherly bonds the view towards Pakistan will improve. I know Indians will try to sabotage this and Afghans will be incapable of avoiding this, therefore, ISI must be on alert and avoid Indian interference with new and gentle methods (not consulate bombings and financing armed opposition as in the past)
 
i am thinking making a collation govt .... players need to sit down.. Iran wont allow Taliban take over over west of AFG.. so after US withdrawl, give respective land to taliban, iran backed people and northen alliance... make a temp border in between so they stop fighting... representative of all should sit in Kabul.... and just focus on development and merge eventually
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after WW1 german fathers became pimp.. so a 40 years of wars and conflict have made afghans troublesome. Wherever they go, they make trouble. Similar conditions will make everybody behave like that.. a little economic crisis, and europeans turn to racism, anti immigrant etc... to compare anything you have to standardize.. you cant comapre a european kid to pakistani and lastly to afghani...
 
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i am thinking making a collation govt .... players need to sit down.. Iran wont allow Taliban take over over west of AFG.. so after US withdrawl, give respective land to taliban, iran backed people and northen alliance... make a temp border in between so they stop fighting... representative of all should sit in Kabul.... and just focus on development and merge eventually

This kind of arrangement will be unstable by nature. Afghanistan will need a unified government in Kabul elected by the people (make Taliban a political party, I am sure people will vote for them).

Anyways, I think we a derailing this thread with our dreams and hopes.
 
I disagree - Afghanistan has an extremely young population and the state-of-mind could be changed in 15-20 years. Afghans are struck by misery at the moment, and we blame Pakistan for it (while most of it is self-inflicted) - Once Pakistani and Afghan leaders start to show brotherly bonds the view towards Pakistan will improve. I know Indians will try to sabotage this and Afghans will be incapable of avoiding this, therefore, ISI must be on alert and avoid Indian interference with new and gentle methods (not consulate bombings and financing armed opposition as in the past)
And now after many many many demonstrations of it the feelings are mutual so lets see what the future holds we should hope for the best and prepare for the worst. we can survive without Afghanistan insha'Allah.
 
In this context, however, he highlighted Pakistan’s latest missile development program, the “MIRV-capable Ababeel” to combat BMD systems, which is more credible than the mass use of Ghauri missiles.
If it actually comes to fruition, that is.

I disagree - Afghanistan has an extremely young population and the state-of-mind could be changed in 15-20 years. Afghans are struck by misery at the moment, and we blame Pakistan for it (while most of it is self-inflicted) - Once Pakistani and Afghan leaders start to show brotherly bonds the view towards Pakistan will improve. I know Indians will try to sabotage this and Afghans will be incapable of avoiding this, therefore, ISI must be on alert and avoid Indian interference with new and gentle methods (not consulate bombings and financing armed opposition as in the past)

I genuinely hope you're Afghan and not some Pakistani or other false-flagger trying to improve Pakistanis' view of Afghans and Afghanistan. Your posts on this thread have indeed slightly improved my perception of Afghans and Afghanistan.

The main problem right now is not India, but the US. Their presence in Afghanistan is limiting the latter from pursuing an independent foreign policy and tilting it against Pakistan, which is what the US wants. It is up to Afghanistan and the nearby powers i.e Russia, Iran, Pakistan and China to force them out and help rebuild Afghanistan. Ideally, India should not be a part of this. It is up to Afghans to pursue better relations with Pakistan, starting with recognising the Durand line.
 

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