Jamaat-e-Ahmadiyya pledges $15,000 donation for Pakistan’s dams

[padamchen]

@Sher Shah Awan I did not know you were Ahmadi.

Along with @Jaanbaz that makes two good Ahmadi posters I now know.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Mutakalim]

What a joke,

No dear, its not a joke but a shame for me to reply an illogical statement made to defend enemies of Rasool Allah (in any shape or form). I have made the claim that they are traitors of "Muslim nation". Can you deny this fact? Muslim Nation and Pakistani Nation are not synonyms.

Ahmadiyyas have contributed unimaginably to Pakistan. In 1947, they formed their own militia to aid the Pakistan Army in liberating Kashmir. They were extreme supporters of the Pakistan movement and were pivotal in the creation of Pakistan

Can you back this claim of unimaginable contribution of Qadiyanis with references? Or i have to believe the unimaginably loyal supporter of Qadiyanis?

To me they have unimaginably contributed towards creating rifts in the Muslim society and unimaginably contributed in sowing the seeds of hatred and Takfirism. Their unimaginably idiotic founder Mirza Qadiyani declared all Muslims Kafir. They have shown unimaginable animosity towards the personality of My Prophet by declaring a foolish Punjabi as Nabi. They have committed an unimaginable blasphemy by declaring sons of Mirza Qadiyani as Khalifatul Muslimeen. I think you can tolerate the title given to Mirza's wives as Ummahat ul Momeeneen but I am not willing to do that. I am not willing to support them in any case.

Bro, their alleged contributions in creation of Pakistan doesnt bother me. They are enemies of Rasool Allah and its part of my faith to consider them my enemies. Enemies are not treated with respect and they dont deserve any kindness. They are not like other minorities living in Pakistan because they are not calling themselves Muslims and they are not using symbols and values of Islam. Qadiyanis are actively ridiculing Islam, its values, its principles and its personalities.

Just try to place Qadiyanis in the context of these Quranic verses. May Allah show you the right path.

Indeed, those who oppose Allah and His Messenger are abased as those before them were abased. And We have certainly sent down verses of clear evidence. And for the disbelievers is a humiliating punishment.
Surah e Mojadlah 5

Say, [O Muhammad], "If your fathers, your sons, your brothers, your wives, your relatives, wealth which you have obtained, commerce wherein you fear decline, and dwellings with which you are pleased are more beloved to you than Allah and His Messenger and jihad in His cause, then wait until Allah executes His command. And Allah does not guide the defiantly disobedient people."... Surah Toba 24

O you who have believed, do not take your fathers or your brothers as allies if they have preferred disbelief over belief. And whoever does so among you - then it is those who are the wrongdoers.... Surah Toba 23

And if they break their oaths after their treaty and defame your religion, then fight the leaders of disbelief, for indeed, there are no oaths [sacred] to them; [fight them that] they might cease... Surah Toba 12

Are you suggesting that Qadiyanis are not defaming Islam?

while groups such as Jamaat-i-Islami, Majlis-e-Ahrar-ul-Islam and others that played a successful role in the massacre and expulsion of Ahmadis staunchly opposed the creation of Pakistan.

Jamat e Islami, Majlis e Ahraar and all other parties whether they are religious or secular are part of my Muslim Nationhood. They are my brothers in faith and Nation. I feel affection and love for them as they accept the finality of Prophet. With all their misconducts and mistakes they are 100 times better than Qadiyanis.

What have those groups contributed so far, other than herd destructive and brainless mobs in "tribute" of a murderer who gunned down a Pakistani Governor.

Thousands of people who presented their tribute by offering Namaz e Janaza on Mumtaz Qadri Shaheed have contributed nothing to Pakistan. All of those men were traitor but Salman Khabees was the son of soil along with all his Qadiyani and liberal supporters.

Traitors, Mob, Illiterate..... Murree Road was full of traitors!!! A liberal's logic

My grandfather and my family has contributed in the struggle for Pakistan by giving their lives and property. And i consider Mumtaz Qadri a Shaheed. Now can I remain a patriotic Pakistani or patriotism in you opinion is bound to liberalism and Qadianism.

FYI, Jammat e Islami and Majlis e Ahrar are not chief supporters of Mumtaz Qadri.

Many of them were skilled and educated and worked in fields such as science, medicine, physics, engineering, etc...

All these skillful educated workers are enemies of Rasool Allah. Enemies of Rasool Allah deserve nothing.

They were crucial to our nuclear program and various other projects and we still haven't recovered from the brain drain that resulted from the various Anti-Ahmadiyya riots.

We dont need a brain in which Ummahatul Momeneen are wives of Mirza Qadiyani. (Naoz o Billah)

 

[Pakistani E]

I would like to read the ten conditions of ba'at anyways. But miracle as in like yoo chutki baja kay. Kalabagh aik rat may bana k dikhao.

Are you trying to tell me that decades of corruption that led to this kashkol ...... is supposedly some miracle of your jamat, because someone wanted same kashkol for your jamat? Matlab tum logo ko bddua do ga to ulti par jy gi.




Still peanuts ........ you could have contributed much more. Your jamat's budget doesn't necessarily take into account individual members' savings, earnings and their assets. Chalo shabash jaib may hath dal he lia hy to kuch raivrian chalgozay b nikalo, khali moong phalia wo b kachi.




Yes it is, but being political isn't necessarily out of love and loyalty, it does involve looking after and safeguarding your own interests.

Why are taking this discussion seriously?

I don't come on PDF to have serious discussion about my faith. You can google ten conditions of bai'at. As for miracles, they are subjective and depends on the individuals faith and conviction. I've met many christians who prattle at me about how their faith in Jesus (as) as the literal son of God helped them through many tough times.

But see, it is up to the individual. Even when I am discussing Ahmadi beliefs, I always say, go do your own research, pray and whatever convinces your heart you follow it. That's what I have done, and that's the only thing anyone can do in this world.

You cannot know who's right or wrong in this world. There is a reason why Akhirah exists.

As for politics, may I ask why people tend to get all this sentimental about looking after ones own interests when it comes to Ahmadis and forget about everyone else? Are Ahmadis anymore susceptible to foreign intelligence agencies' influence than a Sunni or a Shia? Or a Christian or Hindu? You think several intelligent agencies of this country have not already tried their best to find a foreign link between Ahmadis and others?

Mate, I hate mentioning my family in the armed forces because people get triggered for whatever reason. But do you know how much more influence Ahmadis had in the armed forces and other government institutions before we were declared kafir and forced out of positions of influence? If we were planning to takeover, we would have done it ages ago. Hell, even Zia ul Haq trusted Ahmadi officers in the army that much to have them carry out medical operations on him.

As I said to another poster, let us be adults and accept that Ahmadi Muslims and other Pakistani Muslims have serious religious differences. Ones that are different to reconcile. But also, ones that can never been sorted out in this world. But let's not create hatred or conspiracy theories about one or the other being traitors to Pakistan. Every community in Pakistan has made sacrifices here.

I domt know if i should laugh or cry at replies to your comments

Laugh my friend. Life is too short to take things seriously. Especially PDF.

@Sher Shah Awan I did not know you were Ahmadi.

Great. Now you can also use the religious card if we have a difference in opinion. Like what a lot of other Indian and Pakistani posters do.

(Just kidding)

an you back this claim of unimaginable contribution of Qadiyanis with references? Or i have to believe the unimaginably loyal supporter of Qadiyanis?

To me they have unimaginably contributed towards creating rifts in the Muslim society and unimaginably contributed in sowing the seeds of hatred and Takfirism. Their unimaginably idiotic founder Mirza Qadiyani declared all Muslims Kafir. They have shown unimaginable animosity towards the personality of My Prophet by declaring a foolish Punjabi as Nabi. They have committed an unimaginable blasphemy by declaring sons of Mirza Qadiyani as Khalifatul Muslimeen. I think you can tolerate the title given to Mirza's wives as Ummahat ul Momeeneen but I am not willing to do that. I am not willing to support them in any case.

Bro, their alleged contributions in creation of Pakistan doesnt bother me. They are enemies of Rasool Allah and its part of my faith to consider them my enemies. Enemies are not treated with respect and they dont deserve any kindness. They are not like other minorities living in Pakistan because they are not calling themselves Muslims and they are not using symbols and values of Islam. Qadiyanis are actively ridiculing Islam, its values, its principles and its personalities.

Just try to place Qadiyanis in the context of these Quranic verses. May Allah show you the right path.

Indeed, those who oppose Allah and His Messenger are abased as those before them were abased. And We have certainly sent down verses of clear evidence. And for the disbelievers is a humiliating punishment.
Surah e Mojadlah 5

Say, [O Muhammad], "If your fathers, your sons, your brothers, your wives, your relatives, wealth which you have obtained, commerce wherein you fear decline, and dwellings with which you are pleased are more beloved to you than Allah and His Messenger and jihad in His cause, then wait until Allah executes His command. And Allah does not guide the defiantly disobedient people."... Surah Toba 24

O you who have believed, do not take your fathers or your brothers as allies if they have preferred disbelief over belief. And whoever does so among you - then it is those who are the wrongdoers.... Surah Toba 23

And if they break their oaths after their treaty and defame your religion, then fight the leaders of disbelief, for indeed, there are no oaths [sacred] to them; [fight them that] they might cease... Surah Toba 12

Are you suggesting that Qadiyanis are not defaming Islam?

Listen, the only thing defaming Islam is your belief in a magical flying messiah who will descend physically from the 3rd or 4th heaven, after 2000 years without even supper, while shooting laser beams from his eyes. Who will then proceed to spread Islam with the threat of the sword hanging on their heads and kill all Jews.

That's your belief and one I strongly disagree with. But I still try to be respectful and say whatever, you can believe in whatever you want. I don't go around saying, ah kill them or kick them out of this country or that you work for Christians in spreading the myth of Jesus (as) in heavens.

Why don't you build a wall and go smack your head on it and pray for the physical descent of Jesus (as) in our lifetime. Since, this is seriously the only thing that would make me leave Ahmadiyyat.

 

[Ali Tariq]

I always say, go do your own research, pray and whatever convinces your heart you follow it.

 

[padamchen]

Why are taking this discussion seriously?

I don't come on PDF to have serious discussion about my faith. You can google ten conditions of bai'at. As for miracles, they are subjective and depends on the individuals faith and conviction. I've met many christians who prattle at me about how their faith in Jesus (as) as the literal son of God helped them through many tough times.

But see, it is up to the individual. Even when I am discussing Ahmadi beliefs, I always say, go do your own research, pray and whatever convinces your heart you follow it. That's what I have done, and that's the only thing anyone can do in this world.

You cannot know who's right or wrong in this world. There is a reason why Akhirah exists.

As for politics, may I ask why people tend to get all this sentimental about looking after ones own interests when it comes to Ahmadis and forget about everyone else? Are Ahmadis anymore susceptible to foreign intelligence agencies' influence than a Sunni or a Shia? Or a Christian or Hindu? You think several intelligent agencies of this country have not already tried their best to find a foreign link between Ahmadis and others?

Mate, I hate mentioning my family in the armed forces because people get triggered for whatever reason. But do you know how much more influence Ahmadis had in the armed forces and other government institutions before we were declared kafir and forced out of positions of influence? If we were planning to takeover, we would have done it ages ago. Hell, even Zia ul Haq trusted Ahmadi officers in the army that much to have them carry out medical operations on him.

As I said to another poster, let us be adults and accept that Ahmadi Muslims and other Pakistani Muslims have serious religious differences. Ones that are different to reconcile. But also, ones that can never been sorted out in this world. But let's not create hatred or conspiracy theories about one or the other being traitors to Pakistan. Every community in Pakistan has made sacrifices here.



Laugh my friend. Life is too short to take things seriously. Especially PDF.



Great. Now you can also use the religious card if we have a difference in opinion. Like what a lot of other Indian and Pakistani posters do.

(Just kidding)



Listen, the only thing defaming Islam is your belief in a magical flying messiah who will descend physically from the 3rd or 4th heaven, after 2000 years without even supper, while shooting laser beams from his eyes. Who will then proceed to spread Islam with the threat of the sword hanging on their heads and kill all Jews.

That's your belief and one I strongly disagree with. But I still try to be respectful and say whatever, you can believe in whatever you want. I don't go around saying, ah kill them or kick them out of this country or that you work for Christians in spreading the myth of Jesus (as) in heavens.

Why don't you build a wall and go smack your head on it and pray for the physical descent of Jesus (as) in our lifetime. Since, this is seriously the only thing that would make me leave Ahmadiyyat.

Bro I'm honestly least interested.

I'm at that stage now where I don't care what your faith or flag is as long as you don't care what mine is. And don't throw yours in my face.

Plenty of interesting ideas available to learn from when not typing the same conditioned responses like morons.

Take it as a compliment. I don't give too many.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Mutakalim]

Listen,

Listen, Son of Baghaya...

the only thing defaming Islam is your belief in a magical flying messiah who will descend physically from the 3rd or 4th heaven, after 2000 years without even supper, while shooting laser beams from his eyes. Who will then proceed to spread Islam with the threat of the sword hanging on their heads and kill all Jews.

Let them decide who is defaming Islam.

That's your belief and one I strongly disagree with. But I still try to be respectful and say whatever, you can believe in whatever you want. I don't go around saying, ah kill them or kick them out of this country or that you work for Christians in spreading the myth of Jesus (as) in heavens.

You have lost the respect the day when you accepted that Mirza Qadiyani is Nabi or Rasool or Mujtahid or Mahdi or whatever. Mirza Qadiyani was worst than pigs piss and Qadiyanis deserve no respect.

Why don't you build a wall and go smack your head on it and pray for the physical descent of Jesus (as) in our lifetime. Since, this is seriously the only thing that would make me leave Ahmadiyyat.

We are not ruining like mad dogs from Pakistan we will keep kicking you and your likes out of this country.

Since, this is seriously the only thing that would make me leave Ahmadiyyat.

We dont want Qadiyanis to be pulled out of Jahanum.

 

[Pakistani E]

Listen, Son of Baghaya...

Let them decide who is defaming Islam.

You have lost the respect the day when you accepted that Mirza Qadiyani is Nabi or Rasool or Mujtahid or Mahdi or whatever. Mirza Qadiyani was worst than pigs piss and Qadiyanis deserve no respect.

We are not ruining like mad dogs from Pakistan we will keep kicking you and your likes out of this country.

We dont want Qadiyanis to be pulled out of Jahanum.

See, I am not getting triggered. Nor do I want to kill you for committing blasphemy, according to my beliefs. All I can say is that may Allah guide you.

Although, intellectually you are still a 12 years old. Maybe one day you will grow up and be capable of having a civilized discussion so we can actually discuss your views.

 

[Mutakalim]

See, I am not getting triggered. Nor do I want to kill you for committing blasphemy, according to my beliefs. All I can say is that may Allah guide you.

I will not kill you if you commit blasphemy. Its the responsibility of state.

 

[pak-marine]

Listen, Son of Baghaya...

Let them decide who is defaming Islam.

You have lost the respect the day when you accepted that Mirza Qadiyani is Nabi or Rasool or Mujtahid or Mahdi or whatever. Mirza Qadiyani was worst than pigs piss and Qadiyanis deserve no respect.

We are not ruining like mad dogs from Pakistan we will keep kicking you and your likes out of this country.

We dont want Qadiyanis to be pulled out of Jahanum.

such intolerance against someones religion , boy your kind needs to be put in a rehab ..

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Ultra wealthy Ahmadiyya global organization which receives funding from U.K. and Israel is only donating $15,000? Why so little an amount?

 

[Pakistani E]

ou have lost the respect the day when you accepted that Mirza Qadiyani is Nabi or Rasool or Mujtahid or Mahdi or whatever. Mirza Qadiyani was worst than pigs piss and Qadiyanis deserve no respect.

And I am so glad that you lost respect for me. I would be ashamed of myself if I stood alongside people with your mentality and morality. Regardless, enjoy your day and don't quote me again.

 

[Mutakalim]

Although, intellectually you are still a 12 years old. Maybe one day you will grow up and be capable of having a civilized discussion so we can actually discuss your views.

I dont want to be intellectually grown up to become a Qadiyani. You first have to denounce Mirza Qadiyani than we can have a civilized discussion. Discussing religion with a Qadiyani is an insult.

 

[Pakistani E]

Ultra wealthy Ahmadiyya global organization which receives funding from U.K. and Israel is only donating $15,000? Why so little an amount?

I suggest you follow your religion and stop lying or present proof of your assertion.

 

[Mutakalim]

such intolerance against someones religion , boy your kind needs to be put in a rehab ..

I am happy to be considered intolerant for my views on enemies of Rasool Allah. My faith doesn't permit me to tolerate enemies of Prophet.

 

[gutto786]

they are living here and using our water so it is not extraordinary thing if they pay for it.They should not be allowed to gain undue sympathy of public

This is classic!!
They are living here and they are using OUR water......I didn't know your father owned Pakistan and ahmadis are living in ur father's land

Forget about Ahmadis
Sarkaris chant slogans against jews and Pakistan has been running on IMF money from last 3 decades or so! Religion on sale!
Baap bara na bahiya....sab sey bara rupiya