Pakistan conducted another successful test fire of indigenously developed Submarine Launched Cruise

[sur]

Bumping 2 posts about skin shedding.
This is new compared to previous tests.

Did you guys just notice when the missile was coming out of the water, it was packed inside some kind of container. when it obtain some height from the water, then the main booster of the missile ignite and the Babur Missile came out of the container...

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Missile shedding skin in slowmo

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Any news on RAJ47 or he is hiding under his pillow out of sheer embarrassment??

 

[Crystal-Clear]

I know but issue is sub would have to remain. Near Indian water with this range

india have a vast coast line and they arny able to defend it . .keep in mind that drugs dealers transfer drugs to usa through midget submarines.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Keeping all the rhetoric aside, as a man of science, I must congratulate Pakistan for having accomplished this feat if they really did it on their own. These are some of the instances Where I feel they should be a little bit more transparent. Anyways this particular launch does seem legit and also if one observes carefully, this one is "different" from the previous launch. Which also proves that previous launch wasn't actually a Pakistani launch.
I'd like to highlight that capability to achieve a controlled underwater ignition and clearing it off water is nothing short of really good achievement for Pakistan. What is also commendable is the fact that Pakistan somehow is able to produce the system in house without actually having serious R&D in any of the specific areas of aerospace or sub systems. For instance Pakistan does not have any R&D in micro turbofans/jets, aerospace grade actuators or navigation boards(military grade), yet they've a working system at their disposal.
For India it would indeed complicate the nuclear equation when Chinese submarine first start arriving in Pakistan. That's the time when these nuclear armed baburs would be integrated onto a real naval platform. All the gossip of changing the combat management system of Agosta to accommodate Baburs is way off the mark for the simple reason that combat management systems are highly proprietary and one doesn't have authorization to tweak the code to incorporate let's say a mission planner for the cruise missile. Mission planner is a software that is embedded into the launch platform that provides a way of navigation way points to the missile. These navigation way points form the outer loop that the control system is required to track. I've published one such paper at AIAA(American Institute of aeronautics and astronautics) and another one using advanced neural networks based controller is on the way.

I would strongly advise to go though this documentary and enlighten yourself. Its give "few" glimpse as to what is actually cooking in Pakistan. Enjoy!

 

[HariPrasad]

ohhh boy its got now interesting second strike capability is getting real or can be said third strike from submarines .

Congratulation Khan saheb.

 

[war&peace]

sub-sonic CMs nirbhay isn't old fashioned ,but years ahead in tech such as low flying capability , loitering and Turbo jet engine compared to much vaunted and truly old fashioned pakistani BAbur CM .

BTW what sort of engine does Babur CM carries ??

Well, it seems Babur hit the spot... and chaddi are you still feeling the heat or it subsided a little bit?

 

[Imran Khan]

Congratulation Khan saheb.

kiyoo ? kya hoa

 

[August is Fun]

No, there is no TOT needed here. Its the same as Windows architecture The source code is Microsoft proprietary but its open architecture allows new hardware and software to be installed on top of windows.
Read this brochure. It explains Agosta's SUBTICS open architecture concept.
https://www.naval-group.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/subtics-submarine-combat-system.pdf

not really in order to integrate non vendor weapons you need to reprogram the feeder software which is different than OS. Using COTS OS does not mean foreign weapons can be easily integrated but they are used so
sensitive applications, such as oceanographic/topographic 3-D maps, 3-D velocity fields and 3-D radar/sonar maps, as well other applications involving objects moving in a 3-D environment can be easily added.

Why do you think no Non NATO weapons have been fired from French submarines or even German ones.
In fact Israel had to use its own CMS on Dolphins, since they literally had to change all but the Frame of STN Atlas CMS

 

[HariPrasad]

H

kiyoo ? kya hoa

Hona kya hai aap ke desh ne missile test kiya to mai asp ko badhai deta hunh. Aap khush nahi hai kya?

 

[Imran Khan]

H

Hona kya hai aap ke desh ne missile test kiya to mai asp ko badhai deta hunh. Aap khush nahi hai kya?

missile admi marny ke liye hota hai or aysi cheez ki kya khushi bhai ji ?

 

[Safriz]

not really in order to integrate non vendor weapons you need to reprogram TMSC320C30.
Using COTS OS does not mean foreign weapons can be easily integrated but they are used so
sensitive applications, such as oceanographic/topographic 3-D maps, 3-D velocity fields and 3-D radar/sonar maps, as well other applications involving objects moving in a 3-D environment can be easily added.

Why do you think no Non NATO weapons have been fired from French submarines or even German ones.
In fact Israel had to use its own CMS on Dolphins.

Same as windows the SUBTICS already has a very large library of Installable Hardware. One can pick and choose from the list.
For Babur SLCM, the submarine is not firing the SLCM itself. Its ejecting a torpedo from the tubes with specific air pressure. The SLCM has own guidance and propulsion systems which can be programmed independent of the submarine's Fire control system. That programming system is Pakistan's proprietary and i don't think Pakistan will want to share those details with French or even the Turks. That programming system can be a laptop with appropriate connectors in the submarines Torpedo storage comportment.

 

[HariPrasad]

missile admi marny ke liye hota hai or aysi cheez ki kya khushi bhai ji ?

This is a great thinking khan saheb but you and me are only 2 who thinks like this. We are miniscule minority.

 

[August is Fun]

Same as windows the SUBTICS already has a very large library of Installable Hardware. One can pick and choose from the list.
For Babur SLCM, the submarine is not firing the SLCM itself. Its ejecting a torpedo from the tubes with specific air pressure. The SLCM has own guidance and propulsion systems which can be programmed independent of the submarine's Fire control system. That programming system is Pakistan's proprietary and i don't think Pakistan will want to share those details with French or even the Turks. That programming system can be a laptop with appropriate connectors in the submarines Torpedo storage comportment.

Not really .
The electrical signal for ejection would not trigger for non identifiable weapons.
A similar problem was encountered in early stages by users of Type 209 during commando ops from sub tubes which later required Germany to modify CMS.

 

[Areesh]

@Areesh Where is our Skinny Glasses wala Indian Analyst ?

Hoga chamar kahin par.

Might be tweeting how this test is fake using his made in China phone.

Not really .
The electrical signal for ejection would not trigger for non identifiable weapons.
A similar problem was encountered in early stages by users of Type 209 during commando ops from sub tubes which later required Germany to modify CMS.

Multiple ID rat @waz @The Eagle

I don't why always I have to tell mods and other members that this rat is back

Why can't other members and mods identify themselves?

 

[syed_yusuf]

Keeping all the rhetoric aside, as a man of science, I must congratulate Pakistan for having accomplished this feat if they really did it on their own. These are some of the instances Where I feel they should be a little bit more transparent. Anyways this particular launch does seem legit and also if one observes carefully, this one is "different" from the previous launch. Which also proves that previous launch wasn't actually a Pakistani launch.
I'd like to highlight that capability to achieve a controlled underwater ignition and clearing it off water is nothing short of really good achievement for Pakistan. What is also commendable is the fact that Pakistan somehow is able to produce the system in house without actually having serious R&D in any of the specific areas of aerospace or sub systems. For instance Pakistan does not have any R&D in micro turbofans/jets, aerospace grade actuators or navigation boards(military grade), yet they've a working system at their disposal.
For India it would indeed complicate the nuclear equation when Chinese submarine first start arriving in Pakistan. That's the time when these nuclear armed baburs would be integrated onto a real naval platform. All the gossip of changing the combat management system of Agosta to accommodate Baburs is way off the mark for the simple reason that combat management systems are highly proprietary and one doesn't have authorization to tweak the code to incorporate let's say a mission planner for the cruise missile. Mission planner is a software that is embedded into the launch platform that provides a way of navigation way points to the missile. These navigation way points form the outer loop that the control system is required to track. I've published one such paper at AIAA(American Institute of aeronautics and astronautics) and another one using advanced neural networks based controller is on the way.

Really good constructive post, I hope all other Indians could be of same caliber here.

Also do remember, that Pakistan have access to the subsystems at tot level. Not sure how deep. Lastly Pakistan enjoys a very same level of relationship with China and turkey as been enjoyed by isreal with USA. So Pakistan have access to a lot of mature technology to design, build and test. Pakistan cannot afford to invest in all sorts of details, due to the basic fact that Pakistan neither have deep industrial base nor it have lots of money and time to invest. So Pakistan always take shortest, least risky path that can deliver a balance.