No offense but you are taking a misinformed troll at face value and Flamebaiting Pakistani members for being realistic and setting things straight.
J-10C/J-10CE is a decent jet fighter (no Pakistani member asserted that it is bad) but Pakistan Air Force (PAF) is getting JF-17 Thunder Block 3. This jet fighter features a new HUD (J-20 style), HMD/S (J-10C type), MAWS (J-10C type), KLJ-7a AESA radar system (Chinese 2nd generation AESA; similar to American AN/APG-63v2 in capabilities), Digital FBW system (F-16 type), and Russian RD-93MA engine (better than the original). There are additional improvements such as in DSI intake, greater application of composites in the airframe than before, and increased hardpoint count. IRST solution will be mounted like in earlier Blocks (Turkish ASELPOD) which is understandable because JF-17 airframe have limited room for embedded stuff. Block 3 is well-equipped to utilize Chinese PL-15 munition nevertheless which is the desired objective. Therefore, WE are not missing much.
The immediate threat to PAF is from French Rafale F-3Ri supplied to the Indian Air Force (IAF). It is a sophisticated Medium-weight class jet fighter.
If there is a need to procure J-10C/J-10CE in numbers, PAF will consider it. It is Medium-weight class (bigger than JF-17) and can be a good force multiplier.
Now how J-10C/J-10CE stack up to the formidable F-15E and the latest F-15EX is open to debate and caution is advised.
Sino-Thai military excercises have created following impression:
Russian Su-27 (original) < Chinese J-11 variants < Swiss JAS-39 C/D < Chinese J-10C/CE
Very instructive.
But keep in mind the fact that JAS-39 C/D are
outdated and positioned at
the Low End spectrum of Western jet fighters in existence.
J-10C can easily snipe any older model F-15 from long distance using AESA + PL-15. Only the latest F-15EX might be able to go up against J-10C. @White and Green with M/S This is the scope of your argument? Unknown AESA and PL-15? Only the F-15EX might be able to go up against the legendary...
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JAS-39 E/F are designed to challenge J-10C/CE instead.
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Below are rough approximations:
JAS-39 C/D =
Low End Light-weight class
JF-17 Block 3 =
Standard Light-weight class
JAS-39 E/F =
High End Light-weight class
F-16 Block 40/50/52+* =
Low End Middle-weight class
*
These are better than JAS-39 C/D in combat and otherwise.
Modern Light-weight class jet fighters are relatively better on some counts.
J-10C =
Standard Middle-weight class (Eastern)
Rafale F3R =
Standard Middle-weight class (Western)
F-16 Block 70/72 =
High End Middle-weight class
Eurofighter Typhoon 2020 =
High End Middle-weight class
Su-35S =
Low End Heavy-weight class
J-16 =
Standard Heavy-weight class
F-15E/F-15EX =
High End Heavy-weight class
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F-15 is a combat proven platform in true sense of the word, and both F-15E and F-15EX are equipped with some of
the most powerful and sophisticated sensor systems in the world. Potential comparisons with JAS-39 E/F might be
unfair let alone with J-10C/CE.
A test pilot's perspective on Qatari F-15QA trials that will pave the way to deliveries in 2021, and help the development of the USAF’s new F-15EX.
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The F-15EX went to 40,000 feet and flew at twice the speed of sound on its first flight.
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Learn more about F-15EX in following thread:
LEGEND AMBER = Advanced Missile and Bomb Ejection Rack CFTs = Conformal Fuel Tanks DEAD = Destruction of Enemy Air Defenses F-15 = Platform F-16 = Platform F-15EX = Variant (also referred to as the modern F-15E and F-15X in short) SEAD = Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses VLO = Very Low...
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Sensor systems in F-15EX are all state-of-the-art and sensor-fused much like in true 5th generation jet fighters.
Now kindly explain to us mere mortals that
how J-20
tech is way up there that it's not even close (vs. F-15EX). Only a misinformed troll can come up with a statement like this.
J-20 is not exactly top secret but well-documented in Public domain. It is the face of PLAAF in modern times and receives much attention accordingly. Even a novice like me can point out to you which sensor systems and technologies are onboard. There are classified aspects of these technologies (obviously) but same is true for many of the latest machines.
As for the MiG-15 vs. Sabre-86 kill ratio, check relevant reports of RAND for updated view in this regard.
In modern warfare, classic jet fighter vs. jet fighter clashes are less likely. Assuming that the belligerents are well-equipped and prepared; it will be a clash of an eco-system with another eco-system with numerous platforms involved from either camp. This would be a signal dense and jamming-intensive battlespace, and in this type of environment, it is possible that the pilots on F-15EX find it easier to kill the likes of J-20 than on other platforms.
“I believe this is the most lethal and survivable jet that's on the market today and I say that because the battlespace effects that this airplane can provide are on par or exceed what you can do with an LO [low observable] platform that has restrictions. This jet has 30,000 lb of things we can put on the wings and the fuselage,” adds Giese. “No one’s going to match that. Then if you marry that up with the radar and the EW system, I would argue — even as a guy that flew the F-22 for 12 years — that this platform produces battlespace effects — which is what the commanders care about — that are equal or better than what an LO platform can do, that’s based on power, size, payload, and capacity.”
- From the F22A Raptor pilot who had the honor to put the first F-15EX to its paces.
The much classified and dreaded EPAWSS might give the edge when it matters the most.
“The U.S. Air Force is moving forward with a state-of-the art advanced electronic warfare and countermeasure system for the entire F-15E fleet and the new F-15EX,” a Boeing spokesperson explained in an email. “The initial contract is one of a series of awards to modernize the entire F-15E fleet (200+ Aircraft) for the U.S. Air Force; the existing F-15E fleet will receive the EPAWSS upgrade in San Antonio.”
The Eagle Passive Active Warning Survivability System (EPAWSS) will let pilots to monitor, jam and deceive threats in contested airspace.
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As I pointed out in my previous post:
"F-15EX is equipped with some of the most advanced technologies in aviation. It does not have LO shaping like J-20 but it is a sharpshooter with excellent situational awareness and EW techniques. It can also provide 'sensor coverage extension' to American 5th generation jet fighters in heavily contested spaces (goes both ways). Its heavyweight sensor systems including EPAWSS contribute to this effect. It is the apex of 4++ generation."
J-10C can easily snipe any older model F-15 from long distance using AESA + PL-15. Only the latest F-15EX might be able to go up against J-10C. @White and Green with M/S This is the scope of your argument? Unknown AESA and PL-15? Only the F-15EX might be able to go up against the legendary...
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Sit down and understand.
