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There is much here about a possible anti-shipping role for the JFT, but is this role not a rather limited role for the JFT? - Here I'm pointing to the short legs, the limited payload and the high temperatures the JFT's single engine would have to operate in -- seems to that the JH-7A would a much better platform for such missions.

Whereas the JFT in such a role would be limited to a maximum of 200-250nm off the coast, the twin engine JH-7A carrying a significantly larger payload may ofer the ability to hunt the aggressor interfering with shipping bound for Pakistani ports, at further distances. If hostilities were initiated against Pakistan, such aircraft operating from facilities in Yemen and Saudi Arabia could keep shipping lanes open at distances further from the Pakistani coast, where JFT may agument a anti-shipping role.
 
brahmos best anti ship supersonic missile ,game on .....
 
u guys are completely forgetting the 'Raad' - it can be launched from land and air and the navy is working on the sea launched version. like i said dont fret too much - many options are available!!!
 
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What do we know about Raad and it's effectiveness against moving targets
 
There is much here about a possible anti-shipping role for the JFT, but is this role not a rather limited role for the JFT? - Here I'm pointing to the short legs, the limited payload and the high temperatures the JFT's single engine would have to operate in -- seems to that the JH-7A would a much better platform for such missions.

Whereas the JFT in such a role would be limited to a maximum of 200-250nm off the coast, the twin engine JH-7A carrying a significantly larger payload may ofer the ability to hunt the aggressor interfering with shipping bound for Pakistani ports, at further distances. If hostilities were initiated against Pakistan, such aircraft operating from facilities in Yemen and Saudi Arabia could keep shipping lanes open at distances further from the Pakistani coast, where JFT may agument a anti-shipping role.

the role u r discussing will be given to the FC-20 which is a deep-strike aircraft.
 
Fatman
What do we know about Raad and it's effectiveness against moving targets

the capabilities of the Raad are posted elsewhere on the forum but in short its capabilities / effectiveness nearly equals the US Tomahawk, as some of the Tomahawk components have been 'reverse engineered' by pak engineers on to the Raad. i can say with complete certainity that is a very effective land, air and possibly sea weapons system.

ps; i will re-post the said article if i can find it.
 
Against a moving target? One would have thought that were the technology mature, it would have been used in the FATA against moving targets
 
Against a moving target? One would have thought that were the technology mature, it would have been used in the FATA against moving targets

chances of very high colleteral damage due to the size of the warhead - TOWs and PGBs are better suited for FATA. largest moving target in FATA is a Toyota Hi-lux double-cab!
 
largest moving target in FATA is a Toyota Hi-lux double-cab!
By a Raad? If that's an affirmative then, Wow! I'm impressed.
 
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Date Posted: 03-Sep-2007


Jane's Defence Weekly - September 12, 2007

Pakistan test fires its Raad cruise missile

Farhan Bokhari JDW Correspondent - Islamabad

On 25 August Pakistan test-fired its latest cruise missile, which it claims has a stealth capability and could be launched from airborne platforms.

The missile, called the Raad, has a range of 350 km and can carry all types of warheads, the Pakistani military said in a statement.

The source added that the missile "has a low detection probability due to stealth design and materials".

The test took place a month after Pakistan tested its Babur cruise missile, which has a range of 700 km. The Babur was first tested in 2005.

A senior Western defence analyst in Islamabad said the Raad could be mounted on the JF-17 fighter aircraft jointly being developed by Pakistan and China and the J-10 fighter that Pakistan plans to purchase from China.

The Raad test-launch took place from a Pakistani Dassault Mirage and not a Chinese aircraft, which points to the missile possibly being one of Pakistan's South African-inspired projects as opposed to a Chinese-derived missile.

The Pakistan air force (PAF) intends to buy 250 JF-17 fighters, while negotiations are continuing for the purchase of up to 40 J-10s. The JF-17 has been jointly produced by China's Chengdu aircraft industries and Pakistan Aeronautical complex at Kamra in northern Pakistan, while the J-10 has been produced by Chengdu alone.
 
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Date Posted: 26-Jan-2007


JANE'S DEFENCE WEEKLY - JANUARY 31, 2007


Chinese air-launched cruise missile emerges from shadows

ROBERT HEWSON Editor, Jane's Air-Launched Weapons - London

The Chinese DH-10 cruise missile appears to have a nose cone profile similar to the US Tomahawk system.
China has developed a new version of its Xian H-6 bomber aircraft



China has begun trials and perhaps even deployment of its newest air-launched cruise missile (ALCM). Evidence of the missile has emerged in a handful of (deliberately) poor-quality images released onto the Chinese internet.

The photos show a new version of the Xian H-6 bomber, identified by Chinese sources as the H-6K, with six underwing weapon pylons. Attached to each pylon is a land-attack cruise missile that shows considerable design sophistication.

Details of China's cruise missile programmes remain opaque but the weapon shown is believed to be the DH-10 (Dong Hai, meaning 'East Wind'). The first test launch of a DH-10 was reported by Jane's in 2004 and an airborne trial is understood to have taken place as early as April that year.

China has never stopped developing its H-6 aircraft, which is based on Russia's Tu-16 bomber that first flew in 1952. Several missile-carrying variants have been rolled out in recent years with two, four and now six hardpoints to carry large air-to-surface weapons. The latest H-6K 'six shooter' model has also been re-engined - as evidenced by its enlarged and redesigned engine intakes. Chinese sources suggest that Russian Aviadvigatel D-30 turbofan engines have replaced the previous Chinese-built WP8 turbojets.

The missiles on the H-6K appear to be roughly the same size and shape as the US BGM-109 Tomahawk. They have a cropped tri-form tail and an underslung intake for a turbojet engine. Short-span pop-out wings may also be fitted. Significantly, the missiles also appear to have a 'pinched' nose cone profile, as found on the Tomahawk Block IV, to reduce radar cross-section. The DH-10 is credited with a range of about 1,500 km and Jane's figures place the combat radius of a standard H-6 launch aircraft at approximately 1,800 km. A re-engined H-6K would have an improved payload/range capability.

This, the clearest view yet of an advanced Chinese land-attack cruise missile, will rekindle concerns that China has gained access to US cruise missile technology via Pakistan and a handful of Tomahawks it recovered in Afghanistan after failed strikes on Taliban targets in the late 1990s. Pakistan's Babur cruise missile is very similar both to the Tomahawk and to the new Chinese missile. China's designers have also benefited from the transfer of Russian Kh-55 (AS-15 'Kent') cruise missiles, which were illegally trafficked by Ukraine in 2001.
 
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Date Posted: 12-Aug-2005


JANE'S DEFENCE WEEKLY - AUGUST 17, 2005


Pakistan tests cruise missile

Robert Hewson, Editor, Jane's Air-Launched Weapons and Andrew Koch JDW Bureau Chief London and Washington, DC. Additional reporting by Farhan Bokhari

Islamabad, Pakistan

* The Pakistani Babur cruise missile seems to share several basic similarities with the US BGM-109 Tomahawk
* Pakistan's ultimate aim may be to field this weapon on its Agosta-class submarines


Pakistan has made public the first test launch of a new cruise missile system, the Babur (also known as the Hatf-VII), which was successfully flight-tested on 11 August. The launch is a significant step forward for its strategic arsenal.

Major General Shaukat Sultan, the Pakistan Army's chief spokesman, said that the weapon has a 500 km range and can be fitted with either a conventional or nuclear warhead. The Babur is described as a high-speed, low-level terrain-following missile, but Shaukat declined to provide specifics on its guidance or propulsion system. Neither is its payload capability known.

Film footage of the test launch shows the Babur being fired from a transporter erector launcher (TEL) by a solid rocket booster fitted to the missile's tail section. The booster drops away after a short initial phase and the missile transitions into forward flight with the deployment of pop-out wings and a ventral air intake for the main engine.

It is unclear whether the engine is a turbofan or turbojet power plant. However, in 2002 Pakistan announced development of a turbojet-powered aerial target called the Nishan-Mk 2TJ that analysts viewed as a preliminary step to developing a cruise missile.

The Babur test firing occurred at a previously undisclosed test range, Maj Gen Shaukat confirmed to JDW. This is understood to be located along the Baluchistan coast. A US intelligence official noted that additional tests are expected to be conducted using that area.

Pakistani scientist Samar Mubarak Mund, who heads the National Engineering and Scientific Commission that led the Babur programme, told the Pakistani newspaper The News that production of the missile would begin within a month.

The Babur appears to share several basic similarities with the US BGM-109 Tomahawk land attack cruise missile, with the two being roughly the same size and shape and having a similar wing and engine intake design. A Pakistani source with knowledge of the programme said the project began around 1998 and was bolstered by lessons learned from Tomahawk missiles recovered in Pakistan. These US Tomahawks had failed to reach intended targets in an August 1998 strike against a terrorist camp in Afghanistan; Pakistani officials at the time acknowledged that they had recovered at least two missiles. "I'm sure they must have learned from that ... they are quite good in reverse engineering," the source noted.

Additional assistance may also have come from Chinese scientists, who have collaborated closely with Pakistan on other missile developments. Chinese assistance would be especially important in the key areas of miniaturised jet engines and guidance systems and any lessons learned from the Tomahawk are sure to make their way back to Beijing.

There is also reason to believe that Pakistan has been working with Ukrainian engineers for a number of years on several elements of advanced missile capability, while a third element in Pakistan's opaque missile inventory is South Africa. Air-launched stand-off systems in the class of the Denel-developed Raptor and MUPSOW families are understood to be in Pakistan Air Force service. While these have no direct connection to the Babur, they are another technology source to draw upon.

Ultimately, Pakistani officials said, the Babur is being developed for land- and submarine-launched applications, with a longer-term goal of making it suitable for airborne launch. The Pakistani source said that the intention is to have the Babur deployable on the country's French-designed Agosta 90-class attack submarines, although he noted it does not appear the missile is small enough to fit into 533 mm torpedo tubes in its current configuration. The Babur's vertical launch mode also points to a possible ship-board configuration, which would be an obvious first step for such a missile.

The first reports of a possible Pakistan cruise missile emerged in mid-2004 when a test was predicted before the end of that year. None occurred, but just days before the 2005 launch Pakistani President General Pervez Musharraf predicted that more missile tests would be undertaken soon. At the same time Pakistani officials were reported to be working on a new nuclear missile system that would be tested in the near future.

General Musharraf said that the Babur test was a "major milestone" in Pakistan's nuclear programme.

According to one high-ranking military source within Pakistan's Joint Staff HQ, the Babur "is an indigenous cruise missile that has been developed and produced in Pakistan", adding that the missile design "has no 'lineage' as such".

In a related development, JDW has learned that Pakistan is actively negotiating with China and France for the purchase of two or three new submarines. These same sources say that Islamabad aims to develop its first submarine-launched ballistic missile by 2006.

A senior Pakistani official told JDW that "expansion of our submarine fleet" represents the next stage in the development of Pakistan's strategic weapon capability. The navy will have nine submarines following the induction by next year of the last of three Agosta submarines acquired from France.

like i stated dont fret, we are in 'good hands'!
 
different heads of missile and different ships with diff armor. cannot decide with the video which damage is more. wats your point?

You are right!!
But I can only make a preliminary analysis via a video that isn't even HD quality:what:

However (on papers) it must have a greater destruction power relative to C-802; owing to its speed & warhead weight
 
You are right!!
But I can only make a preliminary analysis via a video that isn't even HD quality:what:

However (on papers) it must have a greater destruction power relative to C-802; owing to its speed & warhead weight

also depends on whats in the warhead, angle of attack, and the target's armor.
 
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