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Mutiny in Sudan has led to largest conflict since ages.
Sudan is no immune to fighting but Khartoum is usually not the target
now two generals have been fighting for their own agenda

The good thing is that this is not happening in Pakistan, imagine if our top generals start fighting


sudden air force is especially active here


army men are indoctrinated at very early age when they are teenagers, they dont care about anyone else but just orders
 
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Mutiny in Sudan has led to largest conflict since ages.
Sudan is no immune to fighting but Khartoum is usually not the target
now two generals have been fighting for their own agenda

The good thing is that this is happening in Pakistan, imagine if our top generals start fighting


sudden air force is especially active here


army men are indoctrinated at very early age when they are teenagers, they dont care about anyone else but just orders

The woman who hosts Sairbeen looks like she hit the wall ages ago 😂
 
Mutiny in Sudan has led to largest conflict since ages.
Sudan is no immune to fighting but Khartoum is usually not the target
now two generals have been fighting for their own agenda

The good thing is that this is happening in Pakistan, imagine if our top generals start fighting


sudden air force is especially active here


army men are indoctrinated at very early age when they are teenagers, they dont care about anyone else but just orders
I think how IK is doing things is fine but he needs a successor who'll carry on his struggle

At times I called him a pussy but in the scheme of things he is right
 
Sudan is no immune to fighting but Khartoum is usually not the target
now two generals have been fighting for their own agenda

The good thing is that this is not happening in Pakistan, imagine if our top generals start fighting

ONLY the enemies of Pakistan would wish a 'revolution' where the Pakistani military topbrass would fight. There would be nothing left but utter chaos after that. Why? Because those rising up from below would be the same.
People have bought too much of Imran Khan's 'Chooran' on this forum. A cricketer, playboy, philander, aristocrat was risen to power by the military itself has become a visionary, an architect of nothing less than 'Riyasat e Medina'.
 
ONLY the enemies of Pakistan would wish a 'revolution' where the Pakistani military topbrass would fight. There would be nothing left but utter chaos after that. Why? Because those rising up from below would be the same.
People have bought too much of Imran Khan's 'Chooran' on this forum. A cricketer, playboy, philander, aristocrat was risen to power by the military itself has become a visionary, an architect of nothing less than 'Riyasat e Medina'.
I doubt people who want revolution are doing it for Ik
They are simply fed up of army

This is very prevalent thought in minority provinces of Sindh KP AND balochistan

People just think everything burning is better then army dictatorship

Reality is it will be more chaos...but then again how does chaos matter for people of KP and FATA..they have already seen much worse things

Ultimately we are heading towards long term marshal law and clash because neither army nor IK is backing out

Unfortunately the ARMY DOESNT TAKE OATH to consitution but takes OATH to ARMY CHIEF and so do CORPS commanders

Otherwise it's pretty easy in democracy this would never happen as chief justice or govt could have fired the chief and simply asked president to elect another one and no one will overthrow the govt as the army takes OATH to protect the consitution not the army chief


But not in our case where a special brigade is formed to over throw the govt anytime needed and to protect the army chief


The whole system is based upon British system where the army was suppose to protect the army chief /vice Roy of British ..

This army was formed after the speoy rebellion and is structured as such.

The upper echelon of command structure is well veted to survey the king..
 
First you can’t compare Sudan to Pakistan.
2nd, mutiny doesn’t have to be violent. We keep hearing it’s only the top generals that are corrupt and majority are against what top army brass is doing. All they have to do is let their unit know they won’t obey order.

Navy and Airforce chiefs are some grade as army chief. They can hold a meeting and tell him to f-off. Will anything come out of it? Who knows but you can’t sit in fear.

Our former army chief betrayed our country and people are taking it so lightly. He was telling reporters how Kashmir cause should be abandoned and we should accept Israel while planning against a sitting government and we should think how mutiny will be dangerous? We need to stop being cowards and stand up for our country.
 
Any form of mutiny will first be sniffed out by FIU, if not, then MI or CMI and finally ISI. By passing an intel envelope of different layers is not easy.

If it’s sniffed out by FIU, then MI will spring into action straightaway. Similar for AI and NI.
 
I doubt people who want revolution are doing it for Ik
They are simply fed up of army

This is very prevalent thought in minority provinces of Sindh KP AND balochistan
People just think everything burning is better then army dictatorship
Reality is it will be more chaos...but then again how does chaos matter for people of KP and FATA..they have already seen much worse things

What are you talking about?? So, all of a sudden, Imran Khan raised awareness about the military in Pakistan? The same people were all for the military when Imran kept saying he was on the 'same page' with the military.
This is simple power politics. Imran Khan tapped into the anti-Americanism in Pakistan to get back to power after the military removed their backing of him. Nothing too complicated to understand and even Imran Khan has backpaddled from the 'foreign conspiracy' theory. Why was this forum and most of the Pakistanis fooled by that dangerous 'Chooran'/lie? Do you guys know what a mere flick of Biden's pen would do to Pakistan's economy??? But then, of course, the expats Pakistanis won't care. They are living comfortable lives, watching the 'show' from a distance.

Here is my summary of the what happened since April 2022: The events were set in motion around the fall of Kabul to the Taliban in August 2021. Frictions started to appear between Imran Khan and the 'Establishment' which, incidentally, brought him to power in the first place. Imran saw the fall of Kabul as a great victory under him. He even crowed about that. He wanted more from the military. And he crossed some lines. The military, seeing him threatening Pakistan's trade with the West and the military's own power, decided to put him in his place. The same MQM MNAs who were forced to sit on 'thandey frash' (cold floor) to support Iman in 2018, were told that they are free to choose whatever. And Imran had insulted too many people by his imperialistic ways and when Zardari offered them the $$ they switched sides.

Imran Khan had no plan to make the Pakistani economy work should the America-backed financial system were to punish Pakistan. And yet he put the lives of tens of millions of Pakistanis at risk. I can never forgive him for that except I hope he is a refined person next time!!
 
Any form of mutiny will first be sniffed out by FIU, if not, then MI or CMI and finally ISI. By passing an intel envelope of different layers is not easy.

If it’s sniffed out by FIU, then MI will spring into action straightaway. Similar for AI and NI.
This. Sorry to burst people’s hypothetical bubbles but don’t compare Pakistan Army to Sudan.

Pakistan Army has a chain of command the RRF in Sudan is a rag tag militia similar to levies - they are not comparable.
 
Any form of mutiny will first be sniffed out by FIU, if not, then MI or CMI and finally ISI. By passing an intel envelope of different layers is not easy.

If it’s sniffed out by FIU, then MI will spring into action straightaway. Similar for AI and NI.

Any hypothetical mutiny that can happen in PA is more likely to be sniffed out by SIB than FIU as the first layer!
 
Any hypothetical mutiny that can happen in PA is more likely to be sniffed out by SIB than FIU as the first layer!

Talking of SIB, A blast from the past about SIB

Kickbacks in arms inspection: army sacks four officers

Malik Asad Published December 1, 2012




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The story emerged when the former officers – Colonel Iftikhar Ahmed Malik, Major Awais Chaudhry, Major Tabassum Daud and Major Khurram Sheikh – who were sacked by the army on Sept 24 this year, approached the court.— File Photo by Dawn

RAWALPINDI: In September, a colonel and three majors were sacked from military service after it emerged that they had accepted kickbacks while inspecting arms purchased by the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa government for the police in 2010.
The sacked officers are alleged to have accepted Rs11 million from a contractor to give a clean bill of health to weapons, ammunition, bullet-proof jackets and bullet-proof helmets which were then supplied to the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa police department.
The story emerged when the former officers – Colonel Iftikhar Ahmed Malik, Major Awais Chaudhry, Major Tabassum Daud and Major Khurram Sheikh – who were sacked by the army on Sept 24 this year, approached the court.
The sacked officers were posted at the Inspectorate of Armament (I of A) of Rawalpindi in 2010 when they were asked to inspect the weapons, ammunition and other equipment sent by the KPK police department. The latter wanted the weapons tested before handing them over to the police force.
The scandal was so big that it claimed a few scalps in the province also. Among them was then Inspector General of KPK police, Malik Naveed. He was, however, later released by a NAB (National Accountability Bureau) court in October last year.
According to Senator Haji Adeel of the Awami National Party, which heads the coalition government in KPK, total cost of the weapons was around Rs7 billion. Armoured personnel carriers (APCs), vehicles and motorcycles for the police force were a part of the armoury. “The contract for the supply of these weapons was awarded to a general order supplier who was earlier supplying stationery to the government offices.”
He alleged that senior bureaucrats were behind the deal.
He said there was a provision for testing the equipment before it was handed to the police force and due to the deficiency of weapons testing centres in KPK, the consignment was sent to the Inspectorate of Armament (I of A).
The senator added that Safwat Ghayur, the commandant of Frontier Corps who was killed in a terrorist attack, had already rejected the weapons because of their poor quality, but the contractors managed to get clearance from the army inspectorate.
According to the court documents, the officers in Dec 2010 received letters from the director general of ITD, General Headquarters (GHQ), that asked for a response from the chief inspector of I of A about the alleged malpractices committed while testing the weapons.
Initially, Brig Saleemuz Zaman, the chief inspector, on Jan 7 last year refuted the charges.
On Feb 24 last year, Major Tabassum Daud was summoned by the director general of personnel directorate (DG PS) in GHQ and then handed over to the special investigation branch (SIB).
After three or four days, Col Iftikhar was also questioned about the weapons as well as a different issue involving the sale of helicopters to the army.
In October last year, the army authorities blacklisted two suppliers of helicopters; it informed Bell Helicopters Supply Centre in the Netherlands that the army had severed its ties with the Aerotron companies.
Blacklisting of the firm was challenged in the Islamabad High Court (IHC) by Azhar Wali Mohammad and Mohammad Ayub Azhar, the owners of Aerotron companies. The matter is pending there for adjudication.
Officers’ version
According to petitions filed by the sacked officers, they were pressured by the DG PS to accept charges of accepting kickbacks for clearing the ammunition and weapons for the KPK police. However, they claim that they denied the charges and were handed over to the SIB.
They were also asked to return the money they had accepted as kickbacks from the contractors.The petitions said that under the pressure of SIB, Major Tabassum Daud, Major Awais Chaudhry and Major Khurram Sheikh arranged Rs7.3 million whereas Col Iftikhar deposited Rs45.4 million into the private account of commanding officer of SIB with a branch of the Askari Bank in Rawalpindi.
The petitioners were then released in March last year and resumed their duties. But in September this year, they were dismissed from service.
They contended that under the Pakistan Army Act of 1952, military authorities should follow the set criteria for removal and the petitioners should be given an opportunity to face a court of inquiry or show cause notice.
The petitions said that neither any court of inquiry was ordered nor any show cause notice was issued to them before initiating the action for their dismissal which was a violation of Articles 4, 10-A and 25 of the Constitution.
The sacked officer requested the court to order their reinstatement and direct the military authorities to refund the money that they paid to the SIB under pressure.
 
Talking of SIB, A blast from the past about SIB

Kickbacks in arms inspection: army sacks four officers

Malik Asad Published December 1, 2012




0

army-uniform-6701.jpg

The story emerged when the former officers – Colonel Iftikhar Ahmed Malik, Major Awais Chaudhry, Major Tabassum Daud and Major Khurram Sheikh – who were sacked by the army on Sept 24 this year, approached the court.— File Photo by Dawn

RAWALPINDI: In September, a colonel and three majors were sacked from military service after it emerged that they had accepted kickbacks while inspecting arms purchased by the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa government for the police in 2010.
The sacked officers are alleged to have accepted Rs11 million from a contractor to give a clean bill of health to weapons, ammunition, bullet-proof jackets and bullet-proof helmets which were then supplied to the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa police department.
The story emerged when the former officers – Colonel Iftikhar Ahmed Malik, Major Awais Chaudhry, Major Tabassum Daud and Major Khurram Sheikh – who were sacked by the army on Sept 24 this year, approached the court.
The sacked officers were posted at the Inspectorate of Armament (I of A) of Rawalpindi in 2010 when they were asked to inspect the weapons, ammunition and other equipment sent by the KPK police department. The latter wanted the weapons tested before handing them over to the police force.
The scandal was so big that it claimed a few scalps in the province also. Among them was then Inspector General of KPK police, Malik Naveed. He was, however, later released by a NAB (National Accountability Bureau) court in October last year.
According to Senator Haji Adeel of the Awami National Party, which heads the coalition government in KPK, total cost of the weapons was around Rs7 billion. Armoured personnel carriers (APCs), vehicles and motorcycles for the police force were a part of the armoury. “The contract for the supply of these weapons was awarded to a general order supplier who was earlier supplying stationery to the government offices.”
He alleged that senior bureaucrats were behind the deal.
He said there was a provision for testing the equipment before it was handed to the police force and due to the deficiency of weapons testing centres in KPK, the consignment was sent to the Inspectorate of Armament (I of A).
The senator added that Safwat Ghayur, the commandant of Frontier Corps who was killed in a terrorist attack, had already rejected the weapons because of their poor quality, but the contractors managed to get clearance from the army inspectorate.
According to the court documents, the officers in Dec 2010 received letters from the director general of ITD, General Headquarters (GHQ), that asked for a response from the chief inspector of I of A about the alleged malpractices committed while testing the weapons.
Initially, Brig Saleemuz Zaman, the chief inspector, on Jan 7 last year refuted the charges.
On Feb 24 last year, Major Tabassum Daud was summoned by the director general of personnel directorate (DG PS) in GHQ and then handed over to the special investigation branch (SIB).
After three or four days, Col Iftikhar was also questioned about the weapons as well as a different issue involving the sale of helicopters to the army.
In October last year, the army authorities blacklisted two suppliers of helicopters; it informed Bell Helicopters Supply Centre in the Netherlands that the army had severed its ties with the Aerotron companies.
Blacklisting of the firm was challenged in the Islamabad High Court (IHC) by Azhar Wali Mohammad and Mohammad Ayub Azhar, the owners of Aerotron companies. The matter is pending there for adjudication.
Officers’ version
According to petitions filed by the sacked officers, they were pressured by the DG PS to accept charges of accepting kickbacks for clearing the ammunition and weapons for the KPK police. However, they claim that they denied the charges and were handed over to the SIB.
They were also asked to return the money they had accepted as kickbacks from the contractors.The petitions said that under the pressure of SIB, Major Tabassum Daud, Major Awais Chaudhry and Major Khurram Sheikh arranged Rs7.3 million whereas Col Iftikhar deposited Rs45.4 million into the private account of commanding officer of SIB with a branch of the Askari Bank in Rawalpindi.
The petitioners were then released in March last year and resumed their duties. But in September this year, they were dismissed from service.
They contended that under the Pakistan Army Act of 1952, military authorities should follow the set criteria for removal and the petitioners should be given an opportunity to face a court of inquiry or show cause notice.
The petitions said that neither any court of inquiry was ordered nor any show cause notice was issued to them before initiating the action for their dismissal which was a violation of Articles 4, 10-A and 25 of the Constitution.
The sacked officer requested the court to order their reinstatement and direct the military authorities to refund the money that they paid to the SIB under pressure.

It also features in the tale of Brig Rizwan who was arrested in Isb.
 

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