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The possession of an aircraft carrier is of significant value for any navy. The idea behind the development of an aircraft carrier is to project power at a long distance in peacetime and achieve air dominance at sea during a war. It restricts the adversary warships outside of a designated area, acts as a coercive tool, protects interests at sea, and exercises influence over an area. All major powers having interests outside of their territories have developed them, especially after World War II when the potential of carriers to strike targets accurately at a long-distance using aircraft was effectively demonstrated. India operates one aircraft carrier; another is under sea trials, and the third one is planned. The possession of these carriers lifts India as a major power in the Indian Ocean Region. However, the possession of carriers may have more utility during peacetime than a full-fledged war due to the growing effectiveness and success of anti-ship capabilities.

Indian Maritime Doctrine and Aircraft Carriers

Indian Maritime Doctrine outlines a large area as an area of interest for the Indian Navy to strengthen its position as a blue water force capable of operating and projecting power beyond its home waters. The doctrine enlists primary, secondary, and “other areas” as areas of interest based on the location of the Indian Diaspora and overseas investments vital for the Indian Navy. It also enlists various enabling concepts to protect interests in these areas like “sea control” and “sea denial.”

The carrier, during peacetime, performs the power projection role when there is no threat to them. However, their deployment during the war becomes a tricky decision.
The backbone of a blue water navy is the aircraft carrier and the Indian Navy plans to possess three aircraft carriers in total, giving it the flexibility to have two operational carriers all the times. INS Vikramaditya aircraft carrier with a displacement of 45,000 tons is the current operational carrier of India. The under-trial carrier is domestically built INS Vikrant and is slated to be commissioned early next year. The construction of follow-on to Vikrant is being debated in India due to the questions on the utility of aircraft carriers in comparison to submarines. It has not been approved by the Indian Government yet. Indian Navy operates two squadrons of MiG 29K carrier-borne multi-role aircraft inducted in 2010. Various operational problems have been observed in the aircraft like engine, airframe, and fly-by-wire system.

Limitations of Indian Aircraft Carriers

While the anti-ship capabilities are becoming common, more advanced, and precise, Indian carriers are not among the most advanced in the world. There are also certain limitations of the Indian carriers to operate and effectively project power against Pakistan. Firstly, Indian carriers have limited displacement and can carry up to 36 mixes of aircraft. The limited displacement also means reduced fuel load and an operational range of aircraft, forcing it to operate near the adversary. Displacement capacity also impacts the weapons load on the aircraft. Secondly, the aircraft on the carriers are allocated defensive and offensive roles. Increasing numbers for one role can have catastrophic implications for the other. Thirdly, take-off and landing on the carrier are totally different from ground-based landing and take-off. Indian carriers use Short Take-off But Assisted Recovery (STOBAR) take-off and landing system, which has a slower take-off rate than the more advanced Catapult Assisted Take-off But Arrested Recovery (CATOBAR) system.

Carriers are Strategic Assets

The aircraft are costly affairs. Development and operational costs make a carrier a valuable asset for any navy. India acquired Vikramaditya along with 45 MiG-29K aircraft and additional modifications with the overall price ranging between $6 billion and $7 billion. The total price of the second carrier Vikrant with 36 aircraft, is likely to be $10–11 billion. At the same time, the cost of a third carrier will likely be $16–17 billion. The price factor alone makes them a strategic weapon that determines the deployment of the carrier during a war. The carrier, during peacetime, performs the power projection role when there is no threat to them. However, their deployment during the war becomes a tricky decision. It is unlikely that India will deploy them at the initial stages of a war with Pakistan. Although they are protected with a layer of defensive systems, their sinking at this stage will be a huge blow to the morale of the Indian Navy. They are likely to be deployed at the height of fighting when their entry becomes necessary to hold the opposite power.

Pakistan’s Counter Options against Aircraft Carriers

Pakistan is beefing up its muscles against the increasing number of Indian warships and capabilities. Part of its efforts is focused on developing anti-access/area-denial (A2/AD) capabilities. It is developing various anti-ship capabilities to effectively neutralize the Indian advantage of large numbers of warships and aircraft carriers. There are three layers of defence against Indian aircraft if deployed against Pakistan.

Firstly, Pakistan deploys anti-ship cruise missiles (ASCM) on its submarines. Pakistan currently operates two Agosta-70 submarines that can fire Harpoon anti-ship missiles, three Agosta 90B submarines that can carry Exocet anti-ship missiles. Eight submarines are on order from China which will also have anti-ship capabilities. Secondly, it has also developed or acquired several ASCMs such as Harba ASCM launched from the ship and the air-launched CM-400AKG anti-ship missile with supersonic speed. The coastal/land-based Zarb ASCM provides the third line of defence in the coastal waters of Pakistan against the intruding carrier. The Navy is also reportedly developing a supersonic cruise missile and an anti-ship ballistic missile. The development of anti-ship ballistic missiles will create a long buffer zone against the Indian carrier depending on the missile’s range.

Indian Navy will seriously consider the growing effectiveness of Pakistan’s anti-ship capabilities for the deployment of its carriers. These capabilities will force Indian carriers to operate from a safer distance making it less useful against the country. Even if trying to carry out a blockade of Pakistan or achieve air dominance against Pakistan in the Arabian sea, it risks its survival against Pakistan’s potent anti-ship capabilities.

Source: https://cscr.pk/explore/themes/defe...craft-carrier-a-big-threat-for-pakistan-navy/
 
Biggest threat to Pakistan is General Mir Jaffar.
You cannot defend your country with biggest weapons if you have traitors in your ranks.
Tipu and Haider Ali had invented Rockets, built naval ships but Tipu was killed by traitors and state of Maiysore fell and with that freedom of India.
 
Yes without a doubt this is why navy should buy air defence frigates dedicated and land based air defence and separate air wing for air missions
 
Biggest threat to Pakistan is General Mir Jaffar.
You cannot defend your country with biggest weapons if you have traitors in your ranks.
Tipu and Haider Ali had invented Rockets, built naval ships but Tipu was killed by traitors and state of Maiysore fell and with that freedom of India.
Who is your General Mir Jaffar. Please enlighten us how or why you are calling him names? Just because he did not save the assh of someone else? Why you have pain then? Stop acting a brainless monkey.

You need to stop polluting every thread with your non-sense. It is really indicative of your tiny brain. Go and vent your frustration in related threads.
 
Who is your General Mir Jaffar. Please enlighten us how or why you are calling him names? Just because he did not save the assh of someone else? Why you have pain then? Stop acting a brainless monkey.

You need to stop polluting every thread with your non-sense. It is really indicative of your tiny brain. Go and vent your frustration in related threads.
Let's have a Powerful Judicial Commision headed by Justice Faez Essa.
Members could be two more senior SC judges, and reputable retired Generals, like Gen. Tariq,
If generals are clean they should whole heartedly accept this commission and don't hide behind so called troop morale.
 
The possession of an aircraft carrier is of significant value for any navy. The idea behind the development of an aircraft carrier is to project power at a long distance in peacetime and achieve air dominance at sea during a war. It restricts the adversary warships outside of a designated area, acts as a coercive tool, protects interests at sea, and exercises influence over an area. All major powers having interests outside of their territories have developed them, especially after World War II when the potential of carriers to strike targets accurately at a long-distance using aircraft was effectively demonstrated. India operates one aircraft carrier; another is under sea trials, and the third one is planned. The possession of these carriers lifts India as a major power in the Indian Ocean Region. However, the possession of carriers may have more utility during peacetime than a full-fledged war due to the growing effectiveness and success of anti-ship capabilities.

Indian Maritime Doctrine and Aircraft Carriers

Indian Maritime Doctrine outlines a large area as an area of interest for the Indian Navy to strengthen its position as a blue water force capable of operating and projecting power beyond its home waters. The doctrine enlists primary, secondary, and “other areas” as areas of interest based on the location of the Indian Diaspora and overseas investments vital for the Indian Navy. It also enlists various enabling concepts to protect interests in these areas like “sea control” and “sea denial.”


The backbone of a blue water navy is the aircraft carrier and the Indian Navy plans to possess three aircraft carriers in total, giving it the flexibility to have two operational carriers all the times. INS Vikramaditya aircraft carrier with a displacement of 45,000 tons is the current operational carrier of India. The under-trial carrier is domestically built INS Vikrant and is slated to be commissioned early next year. The construction of follow-on to Vikrant is being debated in India due to the questions on the utility of aircraft carriers in comparison to submarines. It has not been approved by the Indian Government yet. Indian Navy operates two squadrons of MiG 29K carrier-borne multi-role aircraft inducted in 2010. Various operational problems have been observed in the aircraft like engine, airframe, and fly-by-wire system.

Limitations of Indian Aircraft Carriers

While the anti-ship capabilities are becoming common, more advanced, and precise, Indian carriers are not among the most advanced in the world. There are also certain limitations of the Indian carriers to operate and effectively project power against Pakistan. Firstly, Indian carriers have limited displacement and can carry up to 36 mixes of aircraft. The limited displacement also means reduced fuel load and an operational range of aircraft, forcing it to operate near the adversary. Displacement capacity also impacts the weapons load on the aircraft. Secondly, the aircraft on the carriers are allocated defensive and offensive roles. Increasing numbers for one role can have catastrophic implications for the other. Thirdly, take-off and landing on the carrier are totally different from ground-based landing and take-off. Indian carriers use Short Take-off But Assisted Recovery (STOBAR) take-off and landing system, which has a slower take-off rate than the more advanced Catapult Assisted Take-off But Arrested Recovery (CATOBAR) system.

Carriers are Strategic Assets

The aircraft are costly affairs. Development and operational costs make a carrier a valuable asset for any navy. India acquired Vikramaditya along with 45 MiG-29K aircraft and additional modifications with the overall price ranging between $6 billion and $7 billion. The total price of the second carrier Vikrant with 36 aircraft, is likely to be $10–11 billion. At the same time, the cost of a third carrier will likely be $16–17 billion. The price factor alone makes them a strategic weapon that determines the deployment of the carrier during a war. The carrier, during peacetime, performs the power projection role when there is no threat to them. However, their deployment during the war becomes a tricky decision. It is unlikely that India will deploy them at the initial stages of a war with Pakistan. Although they are protected with a layer of defensive systems, their sinking at this stage will be a huge blow to the morale of the Indian Navy. They are likely to be deployed at the height of fighting when their entry becomes necessary to hold the opposite power.

Pakistan’s Counter Options against Aircraft Carriers

Pakistan is beefing up its muscles against the increasing number of Indian warships and capabilities. Part of its efforts is focused on developing anti-access/area-denial (A2/AD) capabilities. It is developing various anti-ship capabilities to effectively neutralize the Indian advantage of large numbers of warships and aircraft carriers. There are three layers of defence against Indian aircraft if deployed against Pakistan.

Firstly, Pakistan deploys anti-ship cruise missiles (ASCM) on its submarines. Pakistan currently operates two Agosta-70 submarines that can fire Harpoon anti-ship missiles, three Agosta 90B submarines that can carry Exocet anti-ship missiles. Eight submarines are on order from China which will also have anti-ship capabilities. Secondly, it has also developed or acquired several ASCMs such as Harba ASCM launched from the ship and the air-launched CM-400AKG anti-ship missile with supersonic speed. The coastal/land-based Zarb ASCM provides the third line of defence in the coastal waters of Pakistan against the intruding carrier. The Navy is also reportedly developing a supersonic cruise missile and an anti-ship ballistic missile. The development of anti-ship ballistic missiles will create a long buffer zone against the Indian carrier depending on the missile’s range.

Indian Navy will seriously consider the growing effectiveness of Pakistan’s anti-ship capabilities for the deployment of its carriers. These capabilities will force Indian carriers to operate from a safer distance making it less useful against the country. Even if trying to carry out a blockade of Pakistan or achieve air dominance against Pakistan in the Arabian sea, it risks its survival against Pakistan’s potent anti-ship capabilities.

Source: https://cscr.pk/explore/themes/defe...craft-carrier-a-big-threat-for-pakistan-navy/
Absolutely NO threat. Since Pakistan exports nothing even a sea blockade will make no differance. Pak-India wars last shorter then a premature ejaculation. This is proven by all the wars both sides have had. They are measured in days. In this scenario naval force projection has never played any role in the resolution of conflict. Air power and ground forces have been the deciding factors.

The Pak Navy needs to be reduced to 2-3 frigates with all emphasis on submarines. The money daved should be spent on developing a mobile internal force with heliborne forces - this unit should be equipped with state of art recon and drone assets and deployed in Balochistan to hunt down BLA - bring some law/order there.

It's time Pakistan looked inside. Introspected. Weeded out the Mir Jaffers and sexual inflicted democrats like Bilawal, Maryam, Hamza etc. It is time for root and branch overhauling of Pakistan's internal order and should be taken on war footing.
 
Absolutely NO threat. Since Pakistan exports nothing even a sea blockade will make no differance. Pak-India wars last shorter then a premature ejaculation. This is proven by all the wars both sides have had. They are measured in days. In this scenario naval force projection has never played any role in the resolution of conflict. Air power and ground forces have been the deciding factors.

The Pak Navy needs to be reduced to 2-3 frigates with all emphasis on submarines. The money daved should be spent on developing a mobile internal force with heliborne forces - this unit should be equipped with state of art recon and drone assets and deployed in Balochistan to hunt down BLA - bring some law/order there.

It's time Pakistan looked inside. Introspected. Weeded out the Mir Jaffers and sexual inflicted democrats like Bilawal, Maryam, Hamza etc. It is time for root and branch overhauling of Pakistan's internal order and should be taken on war footing.
Neither country has sufficient fuel reserves to fight prolonged wars. After day 10 everything comes to a stop. :D
 
Let's have a Powerful Judicial Commision headed by Justice Faez Essa.
Is there any point in discussing or reasoning with this idiot. Some peope are born with slave mentality. The fact he seems to ignore is exactly when the elected government of Pakistan declared policy was to remain neutral between the emerging conflict between the West and Russia what did Bajwa do? Don't forgt ge is just a grade 22 employee and servant of the government.

He actually publicly shows support for Ukraine and catigates Russia. WTF? If he ws Indian COAS, British COAS or Chinese COAS and he went against the stated govdernment policy - ands that in open public he would have had his nose shoved up his his rectum.

That is a fact.

Neither country has sufficient fuel reserves to fight prolonged wars. After day 10 everything comes to a stop :D
Funny thing is that is a curse. Had one or both sides had the juice to fight like others have wars -

  • Iraq-Iran War
  • Germany - Allies WW2
  • USA - Vietcong
  • etc

At least the freakin Kashmir issue would have been resolved on the battlefield once and forver. Instead ....
 
But how about the import side? Isn't exports only one half (and the lesser half) of the scenario?

Imports include things like fuel after all, that a military will be expending intensely during a war.

How are Pakistan's strategic reserves like for a war...compared to India's?

In the past both were quite low commensurate to their military sizes (just like both their forex reserves and other reserves broadly).

I think it has notably changed for one country since, along the lines of the forex reserve ratio between the two as well.



But what are the actual numbers today?

Rather than "its always going to be like 65, 71"
We’ll “find out” soon how aircraft carriers fare
 
But how about the import side? Isn't exports only one half (and the lesser half) of the scenario?
What? Might even help the economy by forcing the bloated Pakistani elite to eat, dress, ride desi.

How are Pakistan's strategic reserves like for a war...compared to India's?
Given the nuclear cloud that would hang over any such confict it would even be offensive to call iys duration 'premature ejaculation'. Probably more like 'failed ejeculation'.
 
Sure, but I mean during a war itself....the fuel reserves are much lower in Pakistan's case to feed and sustain its vehicles and aircraft in intense activity....before it has to opt to conserve and change to more static defense-only (if the war continues to endure). That is why India will seek to cut off fuel imports (and other crucial imports) Pakistan gets via sea to compound upon this issue earlier.

Mind you I see any all-out even strictly conventional war (between the two) as extremely unlikely as Pakistan has suitable logistics network and topography going for it in number of critical areas up north....that will dull much of any conventional force India can bring to bear there.

It is a strong deterrence Pakistan has....its natural defences and pressure points available to it....that will prove too costly (and risky) for India to attempt a large move on.
The fact is nothing major will change between Pakistan and India. The nuclear threat has effectively frozen everything. This leaves limited tactical ventures that remain by design below the nuke threshold.

Only a internal implosion within Pakistan or India could cause major change like we saw between NATO and USSR. The latter imploded but nuclear deterance prevented any major war.
 
Yes without a doubt this is why navy should buy air defence frigates dedicated and land based air defence and separate air wing for air missions

Pakistan simply needs some good sattelites, reconnaisance drones and aircrafts, which can pinpoint and help to lock the location of long range Anti-Ship missiles like DF-21, 26 and DF-17, DF-100.

Indian ACs, if they one day get hands on some real functional ones, would be sitting ducks.
 
Neither country has sufficient fuel reserves to fight prolonged wars. After day 10 everything comes to a stop. :D
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