Zulfiqar Ali bhutto swearing at Bangladeshis

[Myth_buster_1]

lol watch 1:20 and listen to the last sec of the clip.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I think his views towards another ethnicity are pure prejudice and bigotry and condemnable.

He may have been an able politician and a bright mind, but that does not excuse his views on this matter.

 

[Awesome]

I think his views towards another ethnicity are pure prejudice and bigotry and condemnable.

He may have been an able politician and a bright mind, but that does not excuse his views on this matter.

I think he was a moron who just had a big mouth and thus people thought he was smart.

I mean name one "Smart" thing he was able to do in his career. He did a lot of controversial things, but what was smart?

Over here too, he was in fact trying to get Bangladesh recognized. He starts off with his big speech that just because we have great relations with other Muslims we should recognize the breakaway Bangladesh too. I mean right after HE caused us to lose it. Probably the timing wasn't right and he got a roaring "Na manzoor" and then he does a flip flop and goes like "Acha theek hai, suwar ke bachay jahanum main jayen".

 

[Neo]

I agree with AM but please do consider the sentiments of a torn and betrayed nation and the timing of this speach aswell. Nevertheless its quite offending and degrading.

I can understand the "to hell with them" part but calling them "suwar kay bach'chay is uncalled for.

 

[Neo]

Imho the only real "suwar's" are bred by PPP...

 

[Awesome]

I agree with AM but please do consider the sentiments of a torn and betrayed nation and the timing of this speach aswell. Nevertheless its quite offending and degrading.

I can understand the "to hell with them" part but calling them "suwar kay bach'chay is uncalled for.

Of course when his plan backfired and the crowd went like "WTF?" he had to go one step ahead and really show he is with them. As usual, he goes overboard.

 

[Goodperson]

YouTube - Bangladesh with love!!![/url]

lol watch 1:20 and listen to the last sec of the clip.

Whom is he calling them "piglets go to hell" ?

 

[Vinod2070]

He was representing the predominant sentiments in Western Pakistan at the time.

No point in denying that.

 

[DarkStar]

It's quite unfair to post this speech at this time. The words were an expression of feelings at a certain time and place, where greivances were held by both parties. The continued rape and persecusion of Pakistani biharis in Bengladesh at this point, is a more telling example of bigotry and prejudice, as well as the state persecution of the jamate islami in Bengladesh.

At this moment in time, the majority of Pakistanis hold no ill feelings towards their Bengali brothers, although a certain nostaliga does overwhelm us at some times about our strength maybe having been halved. However, others claim still, that it was for the best after all, and geographical realities could not have been altered. Some even jokingly refer to having good riddance of the yearly floods.

I think as a forum for Pakistan defence, it is unfair that so many moderators take such an openly political stance on famous leaders of our past. Was this not supposed to be a forum for enlightened and balanced comment?

 

[Awesome]

He was representing the predominant sentiments in Western Pakistan at the time.

No point in denying that.

Predominant Pakistan however wouldn't have used those exact words though. Predominant Pakistan soon after went ahead and recognized Bangladesh.

 

[Awesome]

I think as a forum for Pakistan defence, it is unfair that so many moderators take such an openly political stance on famous leaders of our past. Was this not supposed to be a forum for enlightened and balanced comment?

He looked like a bumbling idiot, first trying to convince the public to support Bangladesh and then a few seconds later he does a flip flop and starts cursing Bangladeshis.

I would've liked to see him stand up to the mob shouting "Na manzoor" and not give in.

 

[DarkStar]

I would think that this is an example of a politican, thinking on his feet. The west seems to think now, that a democratic political leader is someone who shapes public opinion rather than follows it. I would beg to differ. How much better to gauge the public mood than by an open jalsa? It is better to do that than to listen to crony advisers whose last interaction with the general public was to stop his car near a paan stall and ask for a khusbhoodar paan for his wife.

He is actually asking the public for its opinion, and once he gets it doesn't shy away from being an expression of their opinion.

I am starting to sound like a lawyer for Bhutto, which I certainly don't want to be.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

It's quite unfair to post this speech at this time. The words were an expression of feelings at a certain time and place, where greivances were held by both parties. The continued rape and persecusion of Pakistani biharis in Bengladesh at this point, is a more telling example of bigotry and prejudice, as well as the state persecution of the jamate islami in Bengladesh.

At this moment in time, the majority of Pakistanis hold no ill feelings towards their Bengali brothers, although a certain nostaliga does overwhelm us at some times about our strength maybe having been halved. However, others claim still, that it was for the best after all, and geographical realities could not have been altered. Some even jokingly refer to having good riddance of the yearly floods.

You Asim and Neo have all presented a view that while not excusing his comments, does put them in context.

As noted, this was after the loss of half the country, and atrocities and abuses committed by both sides, but obviously each side only remembered the guilt of the other, so a time of anger, outrage and passion.

Bhutto, the politician that he was, played the crowd and put on whatever mask was required for the moment.

I think as a forum for Pakistan defence, it is unfair that so many moderators take such an openly political stance on famous leaders of our past. Was this not supposed to be a forum for enlightened and balanced comment?

Are moderators not supposed to have opinions? Awaaz is not necessarily complimentary in his opinions towards Jinnah for example, but so long as one tries to be rational in ones opinions, I see no issue with voicing them.

The key here isn't that moderators can be biased towards a particular viewpoint, but rather that they ensure moderation does not reflect that bias.

By that I mean I should be able to criticize Bhutto, but I shouldn't try and shut up a supporter of his, nor allow others who share my opinion to violate forum rules when engaging in discourse with a supporter of Bhutto.

 

[Spring Onion]

He was an emotional man just like his daughter. So we paid western Pakistan for his blunder based on emotions which were outcome of his love for the kursi while his daughter paid her life for the same emotional habit of her.

Although he was an intellegent man unlike his daughter but unfortuantly he was more emotional.

If we had followed the history surely we can find his gesture of tearing a speech or i dont remember if it was charter of UN, during his speech at UN..
(i had read it somewhere, the seniors can correct here it as i dont know i havent seen his era)

 

[DarkStar]

I understand you completely, we can all express opinions. It's just the words moron and idiot irked me a bit, that's all. But I've gotten over it now. My slight little rant should be seen as a bit of an emotional outburst, so I hope there are no hard feelings.