Z-20 Utility Helicopter News & Discussions

[Ultima Thule]

Nah its good gook. He is from the US and therefor should be thankful and patriotic towards the US.

@Deino please clean this off topic discussion by @Philip the Arab

 

[Deino]

@Deino please clean this off topic discussion by @Philip the Arab

Already done and even if his argument has a point, it is an old and stupid one, always brought forward to troll threads. Just look at his tactics: he post a provocation and immediately the discussions goes into wild boar modus. In the meantime he delete most of his posts and I'm sure ´he lends back in his chair and enjoys the mess.

Therefore, we shouldn't be so stupid and do them a favour by picking up each provocation.

 

[Deino]

Lel, I wasn't even trying to troll the thread. I saw it and just posted something that I thought was true. Do me a favor if you don't have proof of me trying to troll don't accuse me. Thanks.

kirsti or whatever that koog* is named called me a sand person and deleted it and got off scotch free. What a joke.

The point is not that you mention an issue that is simply a fact, but the way you react to the replies: BY deleted the own provocative posts while at the same time getting insulting?!!?? How would you call this behaviour?

And now back to the topic.

Guys .... take this as a kind reminder but also as a warning. No personnel insults, no name calling against anyone and if you want to discuss, then in a decent manner.

Constantly repeating old claims does not help...

 

[Deino]

...

The same goes to You ! Stop with these stupid off topic replies.

 

[Ultima Thule]

The same goes to You ! Stop with these stupid off topic replies.

ok sir but you should stop him or perhaps banned @Philip the Arab from this thread @Deino

 

[Philip the Arab]

Harbin Z-20
Medium transport helicopter

Country of origin China
Entered service 2017 (?)
Crew 2 men
Dimensions and weight
Length ~ 20 m
Main rotor diameter ~ 16 m
Height ~ 5.3 m
Weight (empty) ~ 5 t
Weight (maximum take off) ~ 10 t
Engines and performance
Engines 2 x ?
Engine power 2 x ?
Maximum speed ~ 360 km/h
Cruising speed ~ 290 km/h
Service ceiling ~ 4 km
Range ~ 460 km
Ferry range ?
Payload
Maximum payload ~ 1 t internally an ~ 4 t externally
Passengers 12 ~ 15 troops
Armament
Cannon provision for machine guns
Missiles ?
Other ?


A new medium-lift utility helicopter with unconfirmed designation recently appeared in China. Most sources suggest that it is Harbin Z-20. It is a copy of the UH-60 Black Hawk. Sometimes this Chinese helicopter is nicknamed the "Copyhawk". This new-generation utility helicopter has been developed in China since the late 1990s by AVIC China Helicopter Research and Development Institute and both China's helicopter manufacturing plants - Harbin Aircraft Industry Group and Changhe Aircraft Industries Corporation. However the project was delayed by the development of high priority Z-10 attack helicopter. Also there were setbacks due to technical problems, such as obtaining suitable engines. The project finally gained full speed in around 2010. A prototype of the Z-20 made its first flight in 2013. In 2016 this helicopter was still being tested. In 2017 new images of this helicopter surfaced, sporting the People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) roundel. This might indicate that the Z-20 is already in service. Once produced in sufficient numbers the Z-20 could replace a fleet of Russian Mi-17 helicopters in service with the PLAAF.

The Z-20 is a copy of the Sikorsky S-70 which is a basic military utility helicopter of the US Army where it is known as the UH-60 Black Hawk. The original helicopter is also in widespread use worldwide. It appeared that Sikorsky licensed production of this helicopter in China for non-military use. It seems that China is violating this agreement. Civilian Sikorsky S-70C-2 helicopters are used by the PLAAF since 1984. A total of 24 Sikorsky helicopters were obtained. Deliveries ceased in 1989 due to imposed sanctions against China. The Z-20 made its first flight almost 30 years since China acquired the original Sikorsky S-70 helicopters.

The Z-20 helicopter accommodates about 12-15 fully-equipped troops. It has a payload capacity of around 5 000 kg. It can carry around 1 000 kg internally and 4 000 kg externally. It can transport various loads, such as vehicles and artillery pieces underslung externally.

This utility helicopter can be armed with machine guns and possibly other weapons, such as anti-tank and air-to-air missiles, or pods with unguided rockets.

There is a nose-mounted FLIR/TV turret.

The Z-20 has some minor differences comparing with the Black Hawk. Notably it has a five-blade rotor, comparing with the Black Hawk's four-blade. It seems that the Z-20 uses rotor, engines and some other components of the Z-10 attack helicopter. It is speculated that this machine is powered by Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6C-76C turboshaft engines. Also it could be powered by a WZ-10 turboshafts, developing around 2 400 shp each. Some sources report that development of new transmission system has been assisted by Eurocopter.
No other mod is this triggered
The basic utility helicopter can be modified to suit many military roles. Some sources report that marine version of this helicopter is under development.
@pakistanipower I ignored you so please stop @ ing me and were good.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Harbin Z-20
Medium transport helicopter

Country of origin China
Entered service 2017 (?)
Crew 2 men
Dimensions and weight
Length ~ 20 m
Main rotor diameter ~ 16 m
Height ~ 5.3 m
Weight (empty) ~ 5 t
Weight (maximum take off) ~ 10 t
Engines and performance
Engines 2 x ?
Engine power 2 x ?
Maximum speed ~ 360 km/h
Cruising speed ~ 290 km/h
Service ceiling ~ 4 km
Range ~ 460 km
Ferry range ?
Payload
Maximum payload ~ 1 t internally an ~ 4 t externally
Passengers 12 ~ 15 troops
Armament
Cannon provision for machine guns
Missiles ?
Other ?


A new medium-lift utility helicopter with unconfirmed designation recently appeared in China. Most sources suggest that it is Harbin Z-20. It is a copy of the UH-60 Black Hawk. Sometimes this Chinese helicopter is nicknamed the "Copyhawk". This new-generation utility helicopter has been developed in China since the late 1990s by AVIC China Helicopter Research and Development Institute and both China's helicopter manufacturing plants - Harbin Aircraft Industry Group and Changhe Aircraft Industries Corporation. However the project was delayed by the development of high priority Z-10 attack helicopter. Also there were setbacks due to technical problems, such as obtaining suitable engines. The project finally gained full speed in around 2010. A prototype of the Z-20 made its first flight in 2013. In 2016 this helicopter was still being tested. In 2017 new images of this helicopter surfaced, sporting the People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) roundel. This might indicate that the Z-20 is already in service. Once produced in sufficient numbers the Z-20 could replace a fleet of Russian Mi-17 helicopters in service with the PLAAF.

The Z-20 is a copy of the Sikorsky S-70 which is a basic military utility helicopter of the US Army where it is known as the UH-60 Black Hawk. The original helicopter is also in widespread use worldwide. It appeared that Sikorsky licensed production of this helicopter in China for non-military use. It seems that China is violating this agreement. Civilian Sikorsky S-70C-2 helicopters are used by the PLAAF since 1984. A total of 24 Sikorsky helicopters were obtained. Deliveries ceased in 1989 due to imposed sanctions against China. The Z-20 made its first flight almost 30 years since China acquired the original Sikorsky S-70 helicopters.

The Z-20 helicopter accommodates about 12-15 fully-equipped troops. It has a payload capacity of around 5 000 kg. It can carry around 1 000 kg internally and 4 000 kg externally. It can transport various loads, such as vehicles and artillery pieces underslung externally.

This utility helicopter can be armed with machine guns and possibly other weapons, such as anti-tank and air-to-air missiles, or pods with unguided rockets.

There is a nose-mounted FLIR/TV turret.

The Z-20 has some minor differences comparing with the Black Hawk. Notably it has a five-blade rotor, comparing with the Black Hawk's four-blade. It seems that the Z-20 uses rotor, engines and some other components of the Z-10 attack helicopter. It is speculated that this machine is powered by Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6C-76C turboshaft engines. Also it could be powered by a WZ-10 turboshafts, developing around 2 400 shp each. Some sources report that development of new transmission system has been assisted by Eurocopter.
No other mod is this triggered
The basic utility helicopter can be modified to suit many military roles. Some sources report that marine version of this helicopter is under development.

not totally reversed engineered, there is lots of design difference between Z-20 and black hawk @Philip the Arab

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

@Philip the Arab , tell us how you like our copyhawk , isn't it magnificent?American had regret not to set a copyright clause or regret to set embargo on spare parts on the blackhawk that we bought, that is the price for been arrogance and abuse blackhawk for using it as political tool.

China not only copy but improve it for PLA's: with this copyhawk, China can create different platform to PLA army and Navy with no restriction in quantity, diversity and quality since we have our own blueprint while India and Japan still have to buy it from US and ask US for permission for any upgrade.

 

[055_destroyer]

@Philip the Arab , tell us how you like our copyhawk , isn't it magnificent?American had regret not to set a copyright clause or regret to set embargo on spare parts on the blackhawk that we bought, that is the price for been arrogance and abuse blackhawk for using it as political tool.

China not only copy but improve it for PLA's: with this copyhawk, China can create different platform to PLA army and Navy with no restriction in quantity, diversity and quality since we have our own blueprint while India and Japan still have to buy it from US and ask US for permission for any upgrade.

There is a reason why Z-20 resemble Blackhawk so much. Z-20 need to fit in new medium size transport plane. Everybody knows helo cant travel long distance like airplane. It need a transport plane if it wants cross continent for fast deploy.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

There is a reason why Z-20 resemble Blackhawk so much. Z-20 need to fit in new medium size transport plane. Everybody knows helo cant travel long distance like airplane. It need a transport plane if it wants cross continent for fast deploy.

Indeed Blackhawk is transportable on Medium plane such as Y-8 or Hercule while Z-8 can't, which add tacticle flexibility for PLA in term of deployment and China need this 10 tons class Helico for anti-submerine as well. But it is undeniable fact that Chinese engineers had inspired Blackhawk and borrow the airframe to make Z-20, but say that it's a copy is pure ignorance, copy a 30 year's away technology without any value add or value engineering to it is pretty stupid. When American or Westerner couldn't express their sentiment to see this beautiful Z-20, the best way is to label it as copy to vent their frustration, resentment and anger.

 

[LKJ86]

http://www.dser.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=1121265&extra=page=1&mobile=2

 

[lcloo]

A Z20 mock up with folded rotor blades has been sighted on a type 055 destroyer under out-fitting, which indicate a naval variant of Z20 is ready to be stationed on type 055, type 052DG and type 071 LPD.

Interesting remark on Huitong's Chinese Military Aviation, described it as Z20F?, a ASW version that first flew in late 2018.

 

[JSCh]

China's new ship-borne chopper to raise PLA’s ability to new level: military specialists
By Liu Xuanzun Source:Global Times Published: 2019/7/2 16:10:53

Chinese soldiers train on the Binzhou frigate, the commanding ship of China's 29th naval escort fleet for anti-piracy missions in the Gulf of Aden and Somali waters. The training included shooting practice and abseiling from a helicopter. File photo: China News Service

China's latest vessel-borne helicopter will take the People's Liberation Army (PLA) Navy's combat capability to a new level, Chinese military experts said on Tuesday after a full-sized model of the navy variant of the Z-20 utility helicopter was allegedly spotted testing on a warship for the first time.

Citing a photo that surfaced on Chinese social media, Weapon magazine reported, via its social media account, on Saturday that the Z-20 navy variant was on board a Chinese destroyer and its characteristic appearance made it clearly identifiable.

Generally the same helicopter as the army version, the vessel-based navy version can additionally minimize its size in the hangar through design features like foldable rotor blades, judging from the photo. It might also feature extra anti-corrosion capabilities and stronger landing gear, said Weapon magazine affiliated with the state-owned China North Industries Group Corporation, a major manufacturer of Chinese military equipment and weapons.

Having a full-sized model on board for testing means the PLA is studying the practical adaptability of the Z-20 on ships, testing for things such as how the helicopter would enter and exit the hanger and how much space it would actually take up, Li Jie, a Beijing-based naval expert, told the Global Times on Tuesday.

Compared to other in-service shipboard helicopters, the Z-20 has a good takeoff weight (while remaining not oversized on ships) and can better adapt to situations at seas, Li said.

Often compared to the US' UH-60 Black Hawk, the Z-20 is a 10 ton-class medium-lift utility helicopter that can adapt to different terrain and weather, military experts told the Global Times previously.

It would have the capabilities to fly on destroyers, amphibious landing docks, amphibious assault ships and aircraft carriers, undertaking a wide range of tasks including anti-submarine warfare, reconnaissance missions, transportation as well as search and rescue on the high seas, Li said, noting that the helicopter will play an important role in the multidimensional and digitalized battlefield.

The Z-20 will help the Navy reach a higher level of effectiveness, Li noted.

The helicopter is seen by many military enthusiasts as a member of China's most advanced "20 series" aircraft, with the others being the J-20 stealth fighter jet, the Y-20 large transport plane and the H-20 strategic bomber.

The army version of the Z-20 has reportedly entered trial service, but the alleged commissioning has not yet been officially confirmed.

 

[JSCh]

From weibo, said to be rehearsing for parade, including Z-20.

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[Deino]

Any idea?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1153209190162280448