Z-10 & Z-19 Combat Helicopter News & Discussion

[AMCA]

WZ-10 recently entered mass production. The mass production version is improved "A" version. WZ-10 program was completed more than 3 years ago but the lack of engine held up deployment. Now China's engine problems are solved.


India has no attack helicopter program. That LCH is just made up to fool Indian people. India hasn't ever made any indigenous helicopter. China was making indigenous utility helicopters, transport helicopters and naval helicopters before making something as advanced as WZ-10.

Again, the Indians are proving they are no match it's such a joke. That LCH is never going to enter service for at least 20 years. Wait for the Arjun and the LCA first!

LCH was our 2nd Helicopter and We made it within 4 years time, the project was started in 2006 and we have a Prototype now.... and LCH has already been ordered , 65 LCH to the IAF and 114 to the Army....

 

[Lankan Ranger]

There will be two versions of WZ-10 Attack Helicopters

1 – PLA Version

2 – Export Version

For now engine Ukrainian Motor-Sich TV3-117 in the future Chinese Wozhou (WZ)-9

 

[vce]

* On topic: Which engine is currently using for the WZ-10 ?

There will be two versions of WZ-10 Attack Helicopters

1 – PLA Version

2 – Export Version

For now engine Ukrainian Motor-Sich TV3-117 in the future Chinese Wozhou (WZ)-9

the operational Z-10As are powered by WZ-9 engines.
TV3-117VM is a 1600~1700kW power class engine.it's powerful ,but heavier and bigger ,so it can not fit into the Z-10.
TV3-117VM
http://www.motorsich.com/eng/products/aircraft/turboshaft/tv-117vm

Wozhou (WZ)-9 is the turboshaft engine of 950kW power class, equivalent to Tiger's MTR390.

 

[MAFIAN GOD]

How many of WZ-10 are ordered by china?

 

[spin666]

Chinese Apache ....

Kinda looks like Apache , and its fully armed as well in pics - so how can it be a prototype

This looks more like Pre Production status helicopter all weapons systems are already visible on the machine

Actualy it look more like Denel AH-2 Rooivalk(south africa) or A129(Italy). Which some sorce said that Wz-10 did had some form of help from South africa.

OFC we-10 could also be at prototype stage too, but it's kind doubtful as most recent pic show it's more likely been product at slow pace at same it's on trial use in PLA.

Like any other combat air vehicle,important thing to remember if you are going compare LCH to WZ-10,as PLA don't like to talk that much in that field. Also the fact that no one is block EU/US/RU to sell advance weaponry and electoronic to India, and they do block those sells to China would be a bad thing for the WZ-10.

 

[Martian2]

Actualy it look more like Denel AH-2 Rooivalk(south africa) or A129(Italy).

WZ-10

AW A129

The most noticeable difference is the sloped body of the WZ-10. It appears that the WZ-10 was designed with stealth elements to reduce its radar signature. In contrast, the AW A129 has a traditional flat fuselage.

There are many other differences that are obvious, such as the placement of the frontal landing gear (e.g. the struts are placed under the pilot's cockpit for the WZ-10 and the navigator's for the AW A129). The air intake for the WZ-10's jet engine is not obvious, another likely stealth feature. On the AW A129, the gaping hole for the air intake can be clearly seen.

On the whole, how similar is the external appearance of the WZ-10 and AW A129? You decide.

 

[spin666]

The most noticeable difference is the sloped body of the WZ-10. It appears that the WZ-10 was designed with stealth elements to reduce its radar signature. In contrast, the AW A129 has a traditional flat fuselage.

There are many other differences that are obvious, such as the placement of the frontal landing gear (e.g. the struts are placed under the pilot's cockpit for the WZ-10 and the navigator's for the AW A129). The air intake for the WZ-10's jet engine is not obvious, another likely stealth feature. On the AW A129, the gaping hole for the air intake can be clearly seen.

On the whole, how similar is the external appearance of the WZ-10 and AW A129? You decide.

The point was that it look more of thoese two then AH-64. Also the design take more from A129 and Ah2 then AH-64, atleast at it's frame. Also did you taking account of the A129's age? The stealth element isn't that odd,consider how young the design is.

 

[Dragon Emperor]

I think future new Chinese helis should be made bigger with heavier armor and more payloads. It should be designated as Heavy Attack Helicopter and its role is to attack heavily defended enemy targets and strongpoints to soften up the way before tanks and infantry storm the area.

 

[HongWu]

* On topic: Which engine is currently using for the WZ-10 ?

China has mastered modern turbofan technology. Z-10A uses the indigenous turbofshaft.

What gives you the idea it isnt an attack helicopter?These are India first attempts at making a fighter jet, tank, attack helicopter, etc, etc, etc. Arjun is in service btw..

I've never seen an Indian designed avionics system and combat sensors. You will see LCA in service long before LCH. India is trying to go from making nothing to making a combat helicopter. That is impossible.

i guess it's not on par with Apache yet. i read somewhere that the original design was aimed to Apache but due to US blocked the canada made engine sales to china, china has to use its own developed engine but it's not powerful enough so has to redesign the heli to slim down a bit which in turn reducing payloads...

It should be comparable to Eurocopter Tiger.

LCH was our 2nd Helicopter and We made it within 4 years time, the project was started in 2006 and we have a Prototype now.... and LCH has already been ordered , 65 LCH to the IAF and 114 to the Army....

Those numbers are all made up by the Indian media or the government. India hasn't even made a simple helicopter by itself or even made its own avionics. You will need to see LCA in service first long before India makes its own combat helicopter. But China has a really advanced one already.

How many of WZ-10 are ordered by china?

Since China makes its own Z-10A, it can order thousands or even more as long as it has the budget.

 

[Black Knight]

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I'm sorry I can not English

 

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[webber]

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[fatman17]

Z-10

A first glimpse of an Army Aviation Z-10 attack helicopter is shown here. Co-developed by the 602 Institute, CHAIC and HAMC as the first dedicated modern attack helicopter for PLA Army Aviation since 1998, Z-10 is generally believed in the same class as South African Rooviak and Italian A129, yet still not as capable as American AH-64 Apache. The helicoter adopts a standard gunship configuration featuring a narrow fuselage and stepped tandem cockpits with the gunner in the frontseat and the pilot in the backseat. The fuselage appears to have a stealthy diamond cross section to reduce RCS. It also have a 5-blade main rotor made of composite material and an AH-64 style 4-blade tail rotor. All the vital areas of the fuselage including the cockpit and fuel tanks are believed to be protected by the armor plates. It weighs about 5.5 tons and was powered initially by two P&W PT6C-76C turboshaft engines (rated @ 1,250kW each). However domestic developed engines (upgrated WZ-9?) are being used in production batches due to the embargo imposed by the west. Its rotor and transmission systems may have been designed with extensive technical assistance from Eurocopter France and Agusta. Its weapon system may consist of up to 8 HJ-8A ATGMs in box launchers under the stub wings and a 23 or 30mm cannon mounted under the chin, aimed via gunner's helmet mounted sight. Furthermore PL-90 AAMs can be carried against enemy helicopters and slow-moving fixed wing aircraft. It can also carry 8 newly developed KD-10 ATGMs in the same class of AGM-114 Hellfire. Similar to AH-64, Z-10 features a large nose turret housing FLIR, TV camera, laser range finder and designator. RWR and MAWS sensors are installed on both sides of the forward and aft fuselage. In addition, a laser warning receiver is installed on top of the pylon on each side. The helicopter may also be fitted with an integrated communication/navigation system, a comprehensive ECM suite, IFF, chaff/flare launchers, 1553B databus, and a glass cockpit. 2 prototypes were built in 2003 and 6 more were built in 2004. The first flight of 02 prototype took place on April 29, 2003. Several Z-10 prototypes powered by PT6C-76C engine were evaluated by the Army by 2007. In 2009 it was reported that an "optimized" version (Z-10A?) was under developemnt and expected to enter the mass production. This version has a reduced weight and is powered by the upgraded WZ-9 engines. The latest images (December 2010) confirmed that at least 8 Z-10s of the first batch have entered the service with PLA Army Aviation (S/N LH951xx).

- Last Updated 1/25/11

 

[cross1993]

have not Longbow Fire Control Radar......
Where is our Fire Control Radar?