Worst Genocide Ever? 330 million abortions in China!

[Jackdaws]

On sheer numbers, this must be the worst genocide in history.

Nearly 330 million abortions have been performed in China in the 40 years since it first implemented measures to limit population growth in the world's most populous nation, official data showed.
China has announced structural changes to its family planning system which oversees the controversial one-child policy during the ongoing annual meeting of the national legislature in Beijing.
Data posted on the health ministry website earlier this year shows that from 1971 -- shortly before China started encouraging people to have fewer children -- through 2010 a total of 328.9 million abortions were carried out in the country, which has a population of 1.35 billion.
China says that its one-child policy introduced in the early 1980s has prevented overpopulation and boosted economic development. The policy exempts some rural families, ethnic minorities and couples who are both only children.
Calls have increased, however, for the restriction to be phased out as the country's labour pool shrinks and the ranks of the elderly swell. Human rights groups have criticised what they say are harsh enforcement methods.
Under the policy, urban families are generally allowed to have just one child, while rural families may have a second if the first is a girl. Those who contravene the rules must pay a fine.
Last Sunday, the government announced the merger of the National Population and Family Planning Commission, which oversees the policy, with the health ministry in a move state media said was meant to improve, not abandon the one-child policy.
"After the reform, China will adhere to and improve the family planning policy," Ma Kai, secretary general of the State Council, China's cabinet, said when the move was announced, according to the official Xinhua news agency.
The move was included in a report on governmental restructuring submitted to the National People's Congress, the country's legislature, which ends its annual session on Sunday.
China's latest census in 2010 showed that the population could have been 400 million larger if the one-child policy had not been implemented, according to Xinhua.

Source: AFP: China performed 330 mn abortions since 1971: data

 

[Skyman]

Mods, please ban this troll. Starting flame threads.

 

[Jackdaws]

Mods, please ban this troll. Starting flame threads.

How is this a flame thread? I didn't make up this news - it was in the news today. I realize that in China you are not allowed to air your views and banning free speech is the norm - but Chinese communist laws don't apply to us. If you have something to add to this news or counter it - please do so. However refrain from trolling and making useless comments.

 

[veekysingh]

Mods, please ban this troll. Starting flame threads.

reality sucks isnt it?

 

[Jackdaws]

reality sucks isnt it?

And this data comes from China itself! It is almost as if they are proud of this record! I am surprised at the sexist laws as well. Apparently rural families are allowed a second child if the first child is a girl! Else, they are not. Truly absurd!

 

[Sigmund Freud]

wow...Chinese No.1 in fetus killing also

 

[Skyman]

How is this a flame thread? I didn't make up this news - it was in the news today. I realize that in China you are not allowed to air your views and banning free speech is the norm - but Chinese communist laws don't apply to us. If you have something to add to this news or counter it - please do so. However refrain from trolling and making useless comments.

Abortions are necessary for big populations. India is so screwed due to its uncontrolled population growth where the regime don't have enough resources to feed the population. There is little land area to house these people. India already cannot support its 1.2 billion population with only 1/3 the land area of China. Overpopulation is a global problem. Africa is another big problem. India is the biggest problem. Women bring these children to the world and the children merely exist. No food, no water, no house, no education, no nothing. Indian overpopulation is the main reason that will prevent India from becoming a powerful country.

India will face a MASSIVE crisis once the Indian population reaches 1.5 billion. It will be unbearable to live in India

This is a flame thread and you have been reported to mods and I've also reported you to the administrator for constantly trolling every thread.

 

[Jackdaws]

wow...Chinese No.1 in fetus killing also

What surprises me is that the Chinese people don't stand up to this vile behavior which can only be called state sanctioned murder. Perhaps our Chinese members can shed some light on this - are the Chinese people ever outraged by these acts of their government?

 

[AADHAAR]

And this data comes from China itself! It is almost as if they are proud of this record! I am surprised at the sexist laws as well. Apparently rural families are allowed a second child if the first child is a girl! Else, they are not. Truly absurd!

Funny.. but what happens if the second one is also a girl?

Can they go for a third child.....?

 

[Mujraparty]

Shame China, shame!

 

[AnnoyingOrange]

And someone cried over 10 million unborn girl child abortions in 20 years in India...

 

[Jackdaws]

Abortions are necessary for big populations. India is so screwed due to its uncontrolled population growth where the regime don't have enough resources to feed the population. There is little land area to house these people. India already cannot support its 1.2 billion population with only 1/3 the land area of China. Overpopulation is a global problem. Africa is another big problem. India is the biggest problem. Women bring these children to the world and the children merely exist. No food, no water, no house, no education, no nothing. Indian overpopulation is the main reason that will prevent India from becoming a powerful country.

India will face a MASSIVE crisis once the Indian population reaches 1.5 billion. It will be unbearable to live in India

This is a flame thread and you have been reported to mods and I've also reported you to the administrator for constantly trolling every thread.

You are free to report me - simply because reality makes you squirm doesn't mean that I am trolling. Abortions are not "necessary" in any population. That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.

Funny.. but what happens if the second one is also a girl?

Can they go for a third child.....?

Apparently not.

Here is an article which details what happens -

that Chinese villagers who cannot afford to pay these fines have their “illegal” children abducted and sold by Chinese population control officials.

It is well known that those who violate the one-child policy have sometimes been subjected to coerced abortions or, if they have already given birth, have been forced to pay punitive fines and have been sterilized. For example, the birth control regulations posted in one town warned that those who violate the one-child policy shall be contracepted or sterilized:

Under the direction of the birth control bureaucracy and the technical personnel (assigned thereto), those married women of childbearing age who have already had one child shall be given an IUD; those couples that have already had a second or higher order child shall be sterilized. [Italics added]

This sterilization directive was confirmed in conversation with villagers. One woman, a Chinese minority, told us that the consequence of having a third child would be that the government “would take measures to sterilize you.”

The fines now imposed on violators of the one-child policy are, by any standards, enormous. In one Chinese county, declared by the UNFPA to be a “Model Birth Control County,” we photographed a billboard of birth control regulations that warned:

Those who illegally reproduce … will be assessed, when their illegal behavior is discovered, a “social compensation fee” based on a unit calculated from a year's salary for urban dwellers and based on a year's income after expenses for rural dwellers.

Those who illegally give birth to one child will be assessed a fine 3 to 5 times their annual income; those who illegally give birth to a second child will be assessed a fine from 5 to 7 times their annual income; those who illegally give birth to a third child will be assessed a fine from 7 to 9 times their annual income; those who give birth to 4 or more illegal children will be assessed a fine extrapolated from the above schedule of multiples. For those who illegally take in a child, have an extramarital birth, or have an out of wedlock birth, both parties involved will be assessed a “social compensation fee” according to the above schedule of (income) multiples.

That these fines were actually imposed was clear from our discussions with ordinary Chinese. We were told again and again that violators are fined “tens of thousands of renminbi,” or “20,000 or 30,000 renminbi.” These are enormous sums of money by Chinese standards. One woman reported that she and her husband had been forced to take out a 10-year loan to pay the 25,000 renminbi fine that had been assessed for each of her two illegal daughters. To pay off this “child mortgage,” her husband had been forced to go to work in the city.

When we asked what would happen if a couple couldn't afford to pay the fine, we were told that offenders would be visited by population control officials who would “seal off” their homes, and possibly even destroy them, as punishment for non-payment.

But these punishments pale in comparison with reports of child abduction. In Lipu county, another UNFPA Model Birth Control County, located in northern Guangxi province, we were told by a village official that “At the present time, if you don't pay the fine, they come and abduct the baby you just gave birth to and give it to someone else.”

This practice of child abduction has recently been confirmed by the Chinese government. According to a report in the Caixin Century magazine, authorities in the southern Chinese province of Hunan have begun investigating a report that population control officials had seized at least 16 babies born in violation of strict family planning rules, sent them to state-run orphanages, and then sold them abroad for adoption. “Before 1997, they usually punished us by tearing down our houses for breaching the one-child policy, but after 2000 they began to confiscate our children,” the magazine quoted villager Yuan Chaoren as saying.

The children, reportedly from Longhui county near Hunan province's Shaoyang city, had been abducted by who accused their parents of breaching the one-child policy or illegally adopting children. The local family planning office then sent the children to local orphanages, which listed them as being available for adoption, the report said, adding the office could get 1,000 renminbi or more for each child. The orphanages in turn receive $3,000 to $5,000 for each child adopted overseas, money that is paid by the adoptive parents. The magazine reported that at least one migrant worker said she had found her daughter had been adopted abroad and was now living in the United States.

It is worth noting that these two reports come from the same general area of China and occurred in neighboring provinces. Lipu county, where we heard about the practice of abducting and selling “illegal” children, is located in northern Guangxi province not far from the Hunan border, while Shaoyang is located near the southern border of Hunan not far from the Guangxi border.

Local officials deny any involvement in child trafficking. But it is well known that the so-called “job responsibility system” requires them to rigorously enforce the one-child policy, and that their success (or failure) in this area will determine future promotions (or demotions). Abducting and selling an “illegal” baby or child would not only enable an official to eliminate a potential black mark on his record, it would allow him to make a profit at the same time. In this way the one-child policy, through its system of perverse and inhumane rewards and punishment, encourages officials to violate the fundamental right of parents to decide for themselves the number and spacing of their children.

Child trafficking has occurred in other countries that offer children for adoption, most notably in Cambodia, Nepal and Vietnam, where the abuses are so rampant that the U.S. has put a moratorium on adoptions. It may be time to consider a similar moratorium on adoptions from China.

 

[veekysingh]

Abortions are necessary for big populations. India is so screwed due to its uncontrolled population growth where the regime don't have enough resources to feed the population. There is little land area to house these people. India already cannot support its 1.2 billion population with only 1/3 the land area of China. Overpopulation is a global problem. Africa is another big problem. India is the biggest problem. Women bring these children to the world and the children merely exist. No food, no water, no house, no education, no nothing. Indian overpopulation is the main reason that will prevent India from becoming a powerful country.

India will face a MASSIVE crisis once the Indian population reaches 1.5 billion. It will be unbearable to live in India

This is a flame thread and you have been reported to mods and I've also reported you to the administrator for constantly trolling every thread.

really master mind? your pouplation is already 1.3 billion and have less agricultural land then india .so pls think abot urself first. TATA

 

[Okemos]

How is this a flame thread? I didn't make up this news - it was in the news today. I realize that in China you are not allowed to air your views and banning free speech is the norm - but Chinese communist laws don't apply to us. If you have something to add to this news or counter it - please do so. However refrain from trolling and making useless comments.

You have deep seated hatred against China, but sad part is that you are also ignorant. There are lots of lots of discussion and criticism against family planning in China, both from common people and intellectuals. You ignorant troll. Carry on.

I am totally against family planning myself, but whether fetus is human being is both a philosophical question and legal question, and has never been completely settled in any country. Your sensational title just shows how stupid you are.

 

[Jackdaws]

You have deep seated hatred against China, but sad part is that you are also ignorant. There are lots of lots of discussion and criticism against family planning in China, both from common people and intellectuals. You ignorant troll. Carry on.

I am totally against family planning myself, but whether fetus is human being is both a philosophical question and legal question, and has never been completely settled in any country. Your sensational title just shows how stupid you are.

I can understand your frustration but please refrain from personal insults. The "?" in the title shows that it is for people to decide for themselves philosophically as well as legally whether this is a genocide - it is an invite for a debate. Perhaps English is not your strong suit - that's ok. I hope this clears things up.

I don't hate China or Chinese people - if anything, I felt it is the duty of every Indian to help our Chinese brothers take baby steps toward democracy and freedom.