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With the Asia Pivot, the US wants to encircle China, and supplies old and new allies with missiles aimed at its main rival. An amped up arms race means cash flow for the world's biggest death dealer. If all these Asian nations buy as many American fighter planes as Taiwan, US armament workers can knock down a few more Bud Lites, and take their wives and kiddies to Ruby Tuesday twice a week even.

So far, Japan is going along with this plan. The Sensaku/Diaoyu Islands dispute was dormant until stirred up recently by Tokyo. As tension heated up, the US then shipped missiles to Japan, with the lame explanation that it was meant to deter North Korea. Newly elected Prime Minister, Shinzo Abe lost no time declaring that Japan will increase defense spending, that China is "wrong" in this dispute and there's nothing to negotiate. By contrast, Abe said he could sit down with South Korea over another sea breeze stare down, since "both nations share liberal and democratic values, and have respect for basic human rights and the rule of law," unlike China, that is.

Such a verbal reverse kick won't soon be forgotten, especially from an adversary whose meat and bone crimes are still fresh. Three quarters of a century ain't ish in Asia. The chiefs of Honda, Toyota, Mitsubishi, Sony and Sanyo, etc., must be gagging at Abe's posturing, for it's never wise to give your best customer the finger, and over what, a few symbolic rocks, with a fistful of tuna thrown in, wasabi not included? It's understandable that Japan is reluctant to yield its primacy in Asia to China, but these provocations surely won't reverse the tide, only yield dire consequences.

A chunkier China is certainly something to dread, as it has already knocked aside its first victims, the Southeast Asian flyweights bordering the South China Sea, or what is called "the East Sea" by Vietnamese. This oil rich and strategically important territory has been claimed entirely by China, including islands just off the Vietnamese coast, explored, mapped and exploited by the Nguyen Dynasty since the 17th Century. By contrast, the official Chinese map from 1904 still showed Hainan, much further North, as China's southernmost point. Whatever. With its much improved navy, China sees precious oil within reach, so it simply shoves Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia and Brunei out of the way. No profit sharing agreement here. Everything will go to the new boss, same as the old boss, what East Asia has had to contend with for millennia.

If the American Empire can claim the Persian Gulf as a key territory to be defended and exploited, what's stopping China from doing the same to the South China Sea? But this is not really about logics, only might. One does what one can get away with. America has also inserted itself into the South China Sea fracas, and has even conducted joint military exercises with its former enemies, Vietnam and Cambodia, all to counter China.

Cambodia's Prime Minister, Hun Sen, was groomed by the Vietnamese to be their ally, after an invasion to dislodge Pol Pot, who was backed by the Chinese. For smoking Pot, Vietnam was invaded by China in 1979, during a 28-day war that caused 6,000 Chinese deaths, with Vietnamese casualties unknown. (In 1995, locals in Sapa told me everyone just ran for the hills, and the Chinese simply destroyed everything in their paths, including the church in the middle of town, and bridges they had themselves built during the Vietnam War.) Sen, once dubbed "The One-Eyed Lackey of the Vietnamese," then became friendlier towards the deeper-pocketed Chinese, and even allowed a Chinese navy ship to dock in Sihanoukville in late 2008. Now he's getting chummy with the US, thus pissing off China, but not totally. A very corrupt man, Sen will hug anyone or anything if you shove enough bills into his pocket, but these strange maneuvers are also not untypical of the complicated flirtation, hedging and whoring of many small countries. To survive, they must latch on to various patrons, even those who have screwed them royally not long ago.

Which brings us to Vietnam. For the last month or so, the Vietnamese blogosphere has been howling over a leaked tape by one Colonel Tran Dang Thanh, of a rambling speech he gave to Hanoi's university professors. In it, Thanh revealed Vietnam's stance towards Russia, Iran, North Korea and, most interestingly, China and the United States.

Thanh praised Iran and North Korea, "someone we must emulate," for standing up to a super power, the US, but went at extreme length to explain why Vietnam must yield to China, whom he waxed poetically as "a friend whose mountain joins our mountain, whose river joins our river, who shares with us the East Sea, a mutual friendship," then added this joke as coda, "though our hands may shake, our legs still kick furiously," prompting chuckles from his audience. The bottom line, though, is that Vietnam can't go to war against China because it will get its *** kicked. China is simply too big, Thanh said, stating the obvious. As for leaning on the US, Thanh declared that America is simply an unreliable ally, that it will only use Vietnam as a pawn against China. Further, "They have never been truly good towards us [!], their crimes the heavens won't forgive, and the earth won't pardon." Evoking Vietnam's struggle against the West, Thanh reminded his audience of China's contributions, "During our four-year fight against the French, our 21-year fight against the Americans, the people and government of China had sacrificed their rice and torn from their own shirts to give us each grain of rice, each gun, each pair of sandals so that we could be victorious against the French and Americans." Thanh did admit that China has invaded Vietnam about twenty times altogether, and is encroaching now, but still, it is a neighbor, a huge and permanent nuisance that Vietnam must forever deal with, and it would be foolish to expect help from America, a distant pseudo friend that not so long ago tried to bomb Vietnam back to the Stone Age.

Soon enough, though, we'll see Chinese oil rigs erected off Vietnamese coastline. Humiliated by China, and pressured by domestic disgust at governmental, or rather, national impotence, Vietnam may just turn to the US to help it deal with its recurrent foe.

Such is the fate of a small country. To be born small is to have a handicap one must live with. Collectively, Americans are spared from this condition, hence our swagger, although individually, we can feel pee wee enough, especially as we are jettisoned, individually, from all collective aims that make any sense. Our economy is illusory, our government puffed up by slogans and lies, and there's no national agenda beyond boundless corruption and endless war, against much of the world, and even ourselves.

OpEdNews - Article: World War in Asia?
 
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Biased article!!!

It is Gazprom and ONGC that are exploring in Vietnam coast and the exploring blocks will be increased with mutual agreements between India, Russia and Vietnam.

It was Russia that stood against the US in Vietnam war not China(May have played some role but not as much as Russia).
 
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Biased article!!!

It is Gazprom and ONGC that are exploring in Vietnam coast and the exploring blocks will be increased with mutual agreements between India, Russia and Vietnam.

It was Russia that stood against the US in Vietnam war not China(May have played some role but not as much as Russia).

Troops
North Vietnam: 287,465
China: 170,000
Soviet Union: 3,000
North Korea: 300–600
 
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Biased article!!!

It is Gazprom and ONGC that are exploring in Vietnam coast and the exploring blocks will be increased with mutual agreements between India, Russia and Vietnam.

It was Russia that stood against the US in Vietnam war not China(May have played some role but not as much as Russia).

LOL do u think China just let the USAmericans build their military basis directly next to China?
 
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LOL do u think China just let the USAmericans build their military basis directly next to China?

It is upto CCP to counter US, But recent moves by Japan, South korea backed by US are showing the opposite, Like radar Installations e.t.c.
 
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What Im worried is not the Air Defence radars in Japan but the JMSDF and their Ageis DDG and Multirole DDH.
 
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It was Russia that stood against the US in Vietnam war not China(May have played some role but not as much as Russia).[/QUOTE]

Child, it was China that held the line in Vietnam. After the American disaster against 200,000 PVA light infantry in Korea, America stayed the fook away from North Vietnam. Chinese engineers kept North Vietnam functioning, Chinese anti aircraft gunners lit up the sky and Chinese peasants sent truck loads of rice.
Unfortunately, most Vietnamese turned out to be ingrates and only repeat their litany of Chinese 1000 years occupation.
 
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A war over oil in Asia will be costlier than the oil.We Asians understand that.
 
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It is upto CCP to counter US, But recent moves by Japan, South korea backed by US are showing the opposite, Like radar Installations e.t.c.

Finally an Indian realized that US is trying to controll china. Also indirect u admit that china is srly trying to avoiding any further tension why US like u said are quite active recently.
 
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It was Russia that stood against the US in Vietnam war not China(May have played some role but not as much as Russia).

Indian youth are so dumb these days. If they don't bother to go to the library and read some good history books at least go to wikipedia and look for the numbers. Not everything in wikipedia might be correct but when it shows the HUGE difference between the numbers of Chinese troops and Russian troops send to Vietnam, it doesn't take an IQ of 120 to come to the conclusion who contributed the most to the Vietnam War.
 
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I don't think so. World war in Asia is hard to happen... at least for now or close future.
Child, it was China that held the line in Vietnam. After the American disaster against 200,000 PVA light infantry in Korea, America stayed the fook away from North Vietnam. Chinese engineers kept North Vietnam functioning, Chinese anti aircraft gunners lit up the sky and Chinese peasants sent truck loads of rice.
Unfortunately, most Vietnamese turned out to be ingrates and only repeat their litany of Chinese 1000 years occupation.
_ Unfortunately, most Chinese with idiots logic ( in the net ) think that we didn't know about, althought we repeat that many time :undecided:. Your contribution and support, we were thank and remember those things, it's write in our education books about Vietnam - China relationships. But is's not mean you gain nothing from that, and not mean you can do what you want with us. :disagree:
_ You played two face at first, 1972. Then later, attacked and robbery our Islands in 1974, 1988 which mean some you guys call "defend your claim" ( what's idiot logic ) :cheesy:
 
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Finally an Indian realized that US is trying to controll china. Also indirect u admit that china is srly trying to avoiding any further tension why US like u said are quite active recently.
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There is little room for concessions. Therefore, let us abandon all hesitation and seriously prepare for mutual warnings and confrontation with Japan over the Diaoyu Islands. If the situation goes awry, we must make Japan pay more of a price than China.

Japan tracer bullets will bring war closer - Globaltimes.cn


A Friday press release out of China confirms Beijing was flying a Y-8 on a "routine Thursday patrol" over the "oil and gas fields in the East China Sea" We knew yesterday it was a transport plane of some type, but the fact that it's a Y-8 is interesting.
The Diplomat calls the Y-8 a transport plane, and it can be, but the aircraft has more than 30 variants. The Y-8 performs everything from Mineral Research, to G eophysical Survey ing, to Electronic Warfare to Intelligence Gathering and one variant is simply an innocuous but lethal fully loaded gunship, with two heavy cannons and three heavy machine guns.
It's the perfect plane for a game of cat and mouse because if the Y-8 ever took fire from Japan, China could always maintain it was an unarmed transport model carrying troops, or the Y8-F model, that carries only livestock.
In the meantime, the plane can perform all variety of sophisticated tests on the seabed floor and eavesdrop on Japanese communications. China's been sending them non-stop lately to surveil the contested island chain supposed to hold billions in oil and gas reserves.
So, again, on Thursday Japan spots another Y-8 in its Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ) (above the islands) but this time there are also Chinese J-7 fighter-interceptors, and the newer Chinese developed J-10 fighter that rivals Western jets in its combat abilities. Ten aircraft in all, and Tokyo responds by sending two F-15s from Naha, Okinawa — just a couple of hundred miles away.

China Warns To 'Prepare For The Worst' After Confronting Japanese Military In East China Sea
 
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The West want the whole East Asia in ruins. The West is not just annoyed by China, but also Japan, South Korea and ASEAN. If all these countries destroyed and back to the stone age, it will be awesome!

China is a big umbrella of East Asia. So far, China took the attention, bullied and butchered at the front line. Once China gone, these small states of East Asia will be next. Anyway, many of East Asian leaders have a absent mind effect, forget the events of 15-20 years ago. Even forget the 2008-09, when China spend a huge amount of money to keep whole region economy from collapse. Without China, who will? IMF? They will bully and toy the whole region economy like 1997-98, working for Westerners elites to bought East Asian assets cheaply.

People should stop being brainwashed by Western propaganda. Just because China don't want to became a slave/proxy of the West, it doesn't mean we should hate it, just because pro-Western journalist throw their anger over China. Should China took a side with the West? Join together with Western elites, destroyed East Asian economy, divided weak countries into pieces. Should we wait pro-Western journalist wrote pro-China article (because China became the West ally), so we will love it (despite on how bad China attitude)?
 
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It was Russia that stood against the US in Vietnam war not China(May have played some role but not as much as Russia).

Child, it was China that held the line in Vietnam. After the American disaster against 200,000 PVA light infantry in Korea, America stayed the fook away from North Vietnam. Chinese engineers kept North Vietnam functioning, Chinese anti aircraft gunners lit up the sky and Chinese peasants sent truck loads of rice.
Unfortunately, most Vietnamese turned out to be ingrates and only repeat their litany of Chinese 1000 years occupation.
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The Chinese began to withdraw logistic truppe in November 1968 to preparing for change his policy to side of USA and let Vietnam in situation of divided country like Korea.The Chinese also began financing the Khmer Rouge as a counterweight to the Vietnamese communists at this time.
The traitor is more danger than enemy in front, because we dont know when they open fire on us from our back. It was happent 1979.
Only Russia was by side with Vietnam until final victory 1975.
 
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The Chinese began to withdraw logistic truppe in November 1968 to preparing for change his policy to side of USA and let Vietnam in situation of divided country like Korea.The Chinese also began financing the Khmer Rouge as a counterweight to the Vietnamese communists at this time.
The traitor is more danger than enemy in front, because we dont know when they open fire on us from our back. It was happent 1979.
Only Russia was by side with Vietnam until final victory 1975.[/QUOTE]

You betrayed Russia or Russia betrayed you??how come everyone "betrays"in the end.?

In Defense of Socialism, 1990–1991

After the collapse of
socialist regimes in Eastern Europe, the VCP chief and defense minister
sought an ideological alliance with China.

As Party Chief Nguyen Van Linh explained to the Chinese ambassador to Vietnam on
June 5, 1990, the situation was marked by the West’s offensive to eliminate socialism
and concurrently the difficulties of the Soviet Union in defending socialism.

In
this situation, Linh concluded,“China should raise high the banner of
socialism and stick to Marxism-Leninism.”22 Linh and Defense Minister Le
Duc Anh hoped that China would take the leadership of the world’s
socialist forces; they indicated to the ambassador that they were ready
to meet Chinese leaders to discuss solidarity between the two states to
fight imperialism.

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On September 2 that year,
Vietnam’s Independence Day, the party and government chiefs did not stay
in Hanoi to celebrate the 45th birthday of their state but instead flew
to Chengdu, China, for a secret summit with Chinese leaders, the first
since the mid-1970s.

The Vietnamese understood that their acceptance
of the time, place, and participants was a sign of deference to China.

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Participants
included Vietnam’s elder statesman Pham Van Dong but not China’s
paramount leader Deng Xiaoping; Foreign Minister Thach was excluded.
During the meeting, the Vietnamese also let the Chinese dictate the
terms of negotiation;this should be seen against the background of a
decade-long hostility between the two countries.

The Vietnamese
had urgent reasons for taking this approach. At the time, the
counterweight of the Soviet Union was no longer available and Vietnam
was still isolated, regionally and globally. In China, Vietnam faced a
disproportionately powerful neighbor, and in order to prevent Chinese
aggression, Hanoi had to pay deference to Beijing. It appeared to be the
calculation of Pham Van
Dong and, to some extent, Prime Minister Do Muoi.

Yet, as discussed above, General Secretary Nguyen Van Linh had different concerns and priorities.
His
primary intention at Chengdu was to discuss how to protect socialism
from the West, led by the United States. Although the Chinese refused to
play the solidarity game, Linh and his successors over the next decade
kept trying to reestablish the Sino-Vietnamese relationship on an
ideological basis.

www.yale.edu/seas/Vuving.doc · DOC file
 
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