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World Bank lowers rating of Dasu hydel project
By Shahbaz Rana
Published: June 26, 2016
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Project retains ‘satisfactory’ rating in terms of expanding Pakistan’s hydropower supply. PHOTO: INP

ISLAMABAD: A World Bank report lowered on Saturday the progress rating of the first phase of 2,160MW Dasu hydropower project, moving it down to ‘moderately satisfactory’ from its previous ‘satisfactory’ status.

The federal government failed to resolve a host of land related issues, including ones on land acquisition and payment of service charges with the Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa government.

The latest implementation status report of the WB-funded project also raised the specter of unwanted delays.

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Lingering land-related issues highlighted the flawed government policy of starting major development projects without doing adequate spadework.

The government preferred 4,320MW Dasu hydropower project over Diamer-Bhasha dam and Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif was initially keen to inaugurate its first phase before the end of his five-year term in 2018.

The Dasu project is one of the projects expected to produce 31,000MW of power that the federal government claimed it would complete in next five years to address power outages, on a permanent basis.

Its newest deadline for ending power outages is March 2018.

The current overall implementation progress on phase-I of the Dasu hydropower project is ‘moderately satisfactory’, a notch down from the previous rating, the WB report showed.

The project, however, retained ‘satisfactory’ rating in terms of expanding the hydropower supply in Pakistan.

WB financing is critical for the timely completion of the project’s first phase that has a total cost of $4.3 billion. The bank has already approved $588.4 million for the scheme. It has also given guarantees of $460 million to raise about $2.5 billion in commercial loans from domestic and foreign lenders.

This would be achieved by installing a 2,160MW hydropower unit on the Indus River, which can be expanded to cheaply produce 4,320MW in future. WB called the project a ‘high-risk, high-reward’ operation.

The federal government took over 15 months to determine property rates for acquiring land for the project. In November last year, the Executive Committee of National Economic Council (Ecnec) approved the land rates.

However, officials said that an issue related to payment of service charges to the K-P government still remained unresolved.

Due to the lingering dispute, work on the project remains far below the pace needed for its timely completion. The contracts to start work on the main site of the project have not yet been awarded. This has led to delays in the construction of the main hydraulic structure, construction of intakes, waterways and powerhouses.

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The WB loan would primarily be used for project supervision, implementation of social and environmental management plans, and preparatory works such as relocation of Karakoram Highway (KKH), access roads, offices and colonies.

Financing for the civil works on main structures, powerhouses and diversion tunnels, as well as mechanical and electrical equipment would be raised commercially on the balance sheet of WAPDA with credit enhancement provided by the government and WB.

The authorities concerned are negotiating loans worth $800 million with foreign creditors and another $1.4 billion with domestic commercial banks, but the agreements have not yet been finalised.

Published in The Express Tribune, June 26th, 2016
 
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But still i have Latest Pictures of Dasu dam Machinery is moving in Excavation work is already started And According to Ahsan Iqbal Dasu and Bhasha will be included in CPEC
 
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According to Ahsan Iqbal Dasu and Bhasha will be included in CPEC
How does that work really? since World Bank is the one funding these projects, or most part of them have been funded by them too. How can we fit in the Chinese in say Dasu hydel project? As i told you before lying and more lying.
And if a phase is to be funded by the Chinese under CPEC, this should be clarified. Then again expecting too much, the government has created many confusion regarding CPEC and they have only themselves to blame.
Please note:
WB financing is critical for the timely completion of the project’s first phase that has a total cost of $4.3 billion. The bank has already approved $588.4 million for the scheme. It has also given guarantees of $460 million to raise about $2.5 billion in commercial loans from domestic and foreign lenders.
 
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How does that work really? since World Bank is the one funding these projects, or most part of them have been funded by them too. How can we fit in the Chinese in say Dasu hydel project? As i told you before lying and more lying.
And if a phase is to be funded by the Chinese under CPEC, this should be clarified. Then again expecting too much, the government has created many confusion regarding CPEC and they have only themselves to blame.
Please note:

Sir read it again

WB financing is critical for the timely completion of the project’s first phase that has a total cost of $4.3 billion. The bank has already approved $588.4 million for the scheme. It has also given guarantees of $460 million to raise about $2.5 billion in commercial loans from domestic and foreign lenders.

They are Just Providing $4.3 Billion for Dasu dam while the cost of Dasu dam is $12 Billion who will fund the rest $7.7 Billion even Bhasha Cost $14 Billion

Together both will cost $26 Billion i don't think World bank will finance these
 
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how much would it cost to just go all in on natural gas?

http://www.businesswire.com/news/ho...GE-Alstom-Technology-Proves-Powerful-Pakistan


let's say 48 GE 9HA gas turbines two in each power house that's at least 24GW(at 1GW) or 28.8GW (at 1.2GW)


believe the cost is like 82 billion rupee to build a 1GW gas turbine plant

http://www.dawn.com/news/1203300


that's $800 million U.S right?

$800 millionx 24 power plants=$19.2 billion


so question is could you build 24/28.8GW of hydro for less than $19.2 billion
 
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so question is could you build 24/28.8GW of hydro for less than $19.2 billion

Probably better to include the running cost as well. Also the dams will almost double the Pakistan's current water storage capacity (I think one cannot put a price on that given the current circumstances and future need for water)..... I will do some calculations and revert....
 
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I have done some calculations:
The cost to construct Bhasha and Dasu dams will be $14bn and $4.3bn (stage I) plus assume $4.3bn (stage II) @Muhammad Omar where did you get the $12bn figure for Dasu? That is $22.6bn. These two projects will produce 36.5 Gwh electricity per year for life of the dams. I am not sure what the design lives of these two dams but would think they will be in the region of 50-60 years.
Other than the initial cost there would be very low maintenance/running cost for these.

If the same amount of electricity is produced through LNG:
$800m * 4.64 GW = $3.71bn (setting up cost)
Gas power plant has a life of 30 years. Gas current prices at lowest levels $3.29/Mcf.
https://www.eia.gov/dnav/ng/hist/n9103us3m.htm
Cost of gas 1 year = $659m
If the prices are kept at this low level for the entire 30 years then the
Total cost for 30 years: $19.8bn
So the electricity from a gas fired power plant will cost : $3.71bn + $19.8bn + Maintenance cost = $23.5bn. (times this by two if we go for 60 years).

I think the figures speak for themselves. So my vote goes to build the hydro power plants with reservoirs for the long term and maybe add Gas power plants for the short to medium term.
 
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I have done some calculations:
The cost to construct Bhasha and Dasu dams will be $14bn and $4.3bn (stage I) plus assume $4.3bn (stage II) @Muhammad Omar where did you get the $12bn figure for Dasu? That is $22.6bn. These two projects will produce 36.5 Gwh electricity per year for life of the dams. I am not sure what the design lives of these two dams but would think they will be in the region of 50-60 years.
Other than the initial cost there would be very low maintenance/running cost for these.

If the same amount of electricity is produced through LNG:
$800m * 4.64 GW = $3.71bn (setting up cost)
Gas power plant has a life of 30 years. Gas current prices at lowest levels $3.29/Mcf.
https://www.eia.gov/dnav/ng/hist/n9103us3m.htm
Cost of gas 1 year = $659m
If the prices are kept at this low level for the entire 30 years then the
Total cost for 30 years: $19.8bn
So the electricity from a gas fired power plant will cost : $3.71bn + $19.8bn + Maintenance cost = $23.5bn. (times this by two if we go for 60 years).

I think the figures speak for themselves. So my vote goes to build the hydro power plants with reservoirs for the long term and maybe add Gas power plants for the short to medium term.

Briefing a meeting of the special committee on CPEC here, the minister said that the dams would be built at a combined cost of $26 billion. “Diamer-Bhasha and Dasu will be built at a cost of $14 billion and $12 billion, respectively.”

A Line form the Article About the cost of Both Dams
 
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But still i have Latest Pictures of Dasu dam Machinery is moving in Excavation work is already started And According to Ahsan Iqbal Dasu and Bhasha will be included in CPEC

Sir Please upload some of those pictures. And would you like to tag me each time you upload something (images ,videos) about dams. it would be great . thanks
 
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how much would it cost to just go all in on natural gas?

http://www.businesswire.com/news/ho...GE-Alstom-Technology-Proves-Powerful-Pakistan


let's say 48 GE 9HA gas turbines two in each power house that's at least 24GW(at 1GW) or 28.8GW (at 1.2GW)


believe the cost is like 82 billion rupee to build a 1GW gas turbine plant

http://www.dawn.com/news/1203300


that's $800 million U.S right?

$800 millionx 24 power plants=$19.2 billion


so question is could you build 24/28.8GW of hydro for less than $19.2 billion
i guess it should be abit higher than that there are other cost factors..but all the calculations are already done by NEPRA, you can pick up a few projects

hydro costs around 5 cents(mega projects) and 8-10 cents(small projects) vs gas which cost 6-7 cents
the production cost of hydro is less than 1cent, the cost above puts in project cost as well

so hydro and gas are nearly the same over 30 years at current gas prices for small private projects and 20% cheaper for large mega projects..but another factor is flood protection, water storage and increase production down stream in tarbela and other hydro porjects

Briefing a meeting of the special committee on CPEC here, the minister said that the dams would be built at a combined cost of $26 billion. “Diamer-Bhasha and Dasu will be built at a cost of $14 billion and $12 billion, respectively.”

A Line form the Article About the cost of Both Dams
honestly before running around to blame KPK govt, the issue is bureaucracy, lack of ability to overcome that, which hydro project is on time...same is happening with tarbela dam, which govt despite spending an additional 50 million dollars to make it faster is still lacking behind...with NJ a tunnel boring machine has been offline since last 5-6 months and govt never thought of repairing it and now that is off schedule too
 
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i guess it should be abit higher than that there are other cost factors..but all the calculations are already done by NEPRA, you can pick up a few projects

hydro costs around 5 cents(mega projects) and 8-10 cents(small projects) vs gas which cost 6-7 cents
the production cost of hydro is less than 1cent, the cost above puts in project cost as well

so hydro and gas are nearly the same over 30 years at current gas prices for small private projects and 20% cheaper for large mega projects..but another factor is flood protection, water storage and increase production down stream in tarbela and other hydro porjects


honestly before running around to blame KPK govt, the issue is bureaucracy, lack of ability to overcome that, which hydro project is on time...same is happening with tarbela dam, which govt despite spending an additional 50 million dollars to make it faster is still lacking behind...with NJ a tunnel boring machine has been offline since last 5-6 months and govt never thought of repairing it and now that is off schedule too

so Bureaucracy is greater then provincial government???
 
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so Bureaucracy is greater then provincial government???
haha project completely sponsored and done by federal govt..where does provisional govt came fro
tell me is provisional govt also stopping to build bhasha(build outside KPK) dam and tarbela and NJ dam on time???
is it also causing delay in federal reforms in FATA??

I am not surprised
 
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