'Workhorse' is First F-35 to Achieve 1,000 Flight Hours

[libertad]

Common guys. Ya'all are makin' a scene on this thread.
@libertad If you think this puppy ain't worth it and its a "junk". How about you wait and allow the -35 to protect our freedom across the globe and show you its credentials? May be once these -35's becomes an operational success you'll change your mind......I frankly don't think you have good understanding of this beast's capabilities.

I'll wait and see how it does. We have to wait until at least 2016 to find out anything. There is alot of second guessing so far alot of delays and 'fine tuning'. For what its costing us, i highly doubt it will be worth its price tag.

 

[Viper0011.]

There is alot of second guessing so far alot of delays and 'fine tuning'.

My man, "Delays" are a part of ANY project. Let alone such a massive and super complex program that has hundreds of sub projects. Second guessing on capability and delays are TWO very different things. There is no second guessing, its just delays due to various reasons all well explainable

 

[libertad]

The F-35 will revolutionize air warfare over the next 20 years. Its advanced sensors, 360 degree situational awareness, data fusion, and network centric warfare are all gamechangers.

What use is all that technology if it can't stay airborne and has a paltry payload??

Can the F-35 Replace the A-10? - democracyarsenal.org

 

[Viper0011.]

The F-35 will revolutionize air warfare over the next 20 years. Its advanced sensors, 360 degree situational awareness, data fusion, and network centric warfare are all gamechangers.

I want to add DAS to your list. That ONE tech alone will give the US military unprecedented advantage over ANY airborne adversary even 800 Miles away.

But people don't understand that. I was trying to get the argument to settle. Don't want two "Mericans" to be arguing on here. @gambit is very right about the capability also and he always provides great knowledge to others.

 

[F-22Raptor]

I'll wait and see how it does. We have to wait until at least 2016 to find out anything. There is alot of second guessing so far alot of delays and 'fine tuning'. For what its costing us, i highly doubt it will be worth its price tag.

No, we don't have to wait until 2016. The Marines F-35B is set for initial operating capability in July 2015.

 

[libertad]

No, we don't have to wait until 2016. The Marines F-35B is set for initial operating capability in July 2015.

Lockheed Martin confident F-35 will hit deployment deadlines | TheHill

By Carlo Muñoz - 05/31/13 05:24 PM EDT

Hitting those deadlines over the next five years for the Department of Defense (DOD) and the armed services is the company's "top priority," according to Lockheed spokeswoman Laura Siebert.


Lockheed is the prime contractor for all U.S. and international versions of the F-35.
"We appreciate the confidence in the F-35 program expressed by the Air Force, Marine Corps and Navy," in their time lines for initial fielding of the F-35, Siebert said in a statement Friday.

Service leaders sent those proposed deployment deadlines to lawmakers in June, made public this week.

The information sent to Capitol Hill was part of a reporting requirement on the F-35 included in last year's Defense Authorization Act.

The Marine Corps will be the first service to get their version of the F-35, with service leaders expecting the jet to be ready for duty no later than December 2015, according to the congressional report.

The Air Force will be next up, with the air service receiving their first combat-ready F-35s a year after the Marines, in 2016.

Finally, the aircraft carrier version of the F-35 will arrive on the decks on Navy ships three years later, in February 2019, according to service estimates.

The first F-35s to enter into the U.S. arsenal, the Marine Corps's B variant, has experienced the most difficulty in the F-35 testing and development phase.

Former Defense Secretary Robert Gates put the program's Marine Corps variant, known as the F-35B, on “probation” and threatened to cancel it unless its cost and schedule problems were fixed within two years.

Late last year, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta officially took the Marine Corps plane off probation. Recent reports, however, claim the JSF, considered the most expensive acquisition program in Pentagon history, is currently $150 billion over budget, based on initial cost estimates.

Most recently, the Pentagon grounded the oft-troubled Marine Corps version of the F-35 in January after key components on the exhaust system on the fighter's single jet engine failed during a test flight at Eglin Air Force Base, Fla.

The plane was put back on flight status after program officials from DOD, Lockheed Martin and Pratt & Whitney, who make the F-35 engine, cleared the airplane for duty.



2019 for the Navy version?? Its worse than i thought.

 

[gambit]

Sorry, Did I hurt the jet's feelings?

No, but yours are.

20 years, $400 billion and counting. What do we have to show for this so far? How much more money are you willing to throw at this thing?

Why do we need to go towards the F-35 have been discussed before. And again, let me know IF you are ready to debate in a rational manner.

Please let me know who has debunked him (not affiliated with the government or Lockheed). Whatever Sprey is, I'm going out on a limb and taking his word over yours and the tax fattened stooges at the USAF and Lockheed.

You can take his words if you want. As to who debunked him ? Me and plenty others. If you have any shred of intellectual honesty, you would consider other people's arguments as well. But you already proved what you are: dishonest.

 

[gambit]

The guy cited Pierre Sprey. His opinion is now utterly worthless.

Next he is going dig up Rachel Maddow and how 'stealth' is ruined by rain.

 

[libertad]

Why do we need to go towards the F-35 have been discussed before. And again, let me know IF you are ready to debate in a rational manner.

You can take his words if you want. As to who debunked him ? Me and plenty others. If you have any shred of intellectual honesty, you would consider other people's arguments as well. But you already proved what you are: dishonest.

You keep talking about debating but you offer nothing.
Pentagon’s big budget F-35 fighter ‘can’t turn, can’t climb, can’t run’ | The Great Debate

 

[gambit]

You keep talking about debating but you offer nothing.
Pentagon’s big budget F-35 fighter ‘can’t turn, can’t climb, can’t run’ | The Great Debate

I am willing to debate but I asked that you select one item at a time. This is to avoid cluttering up the debate. Why is that so difficult ? You brought on Sprey and I responded as to why his criticism cannot be taken seriously. The man is simply out of date, with all due respect to his efforts on the F-16, which was my 2nd jet.

You said...

it can't fly in bad weather

In what ways ? Is that applicable ONLY to the F-35 ? What is it about the F-35 that it cannot fly in 'bad weather' ? What constitute 'bad weather' anyway ?

Again, do you seriously think you brought on anything new here, including Sprey ? It must be frustrating for you to come on here and thought there would be a chorus behind you. Instead, you found yourself all alone with the realization that you know diddly squat about the subject.

 

[TheFlyingPretzel]

How about you wait and allow the -35 to protect our freedom across the globe and show you its credentials?

Freedom, lol.

 

[libertad]

What is it about the F-35 that it cannot fly in 'bad weather' ?

how about it explodes?

New £150million combat jet F-35 Joint Strike Fighter is banned from flying in bad weather because it could EXPLODE | Mail Online

Again, do you seriously think you brought on anything new here, including Sprey ? It must be frustrating for you to come on here and thought there would be a chorus behind you. Instead, you found yourself all alone with the realization that you know diddly squat about the subject.

I trust Sprey over some guy on a message board. Lets see your expert. All this back and forth and you haven't presented a single source to back you up.
BTW I weighed in on the f35 knowing you would be the one with the chorus behind you. I know full well military sycophants like you would take exception to my less than worshipful opinion on the use of our stolen money.

 

[gambit]

how about it explodes?

New £150million combat jet F-35 Joint Strike Fighter is banned from flying in bad weather because it could EXPLODE | Mail Online

How about there is a history of aircrafts, civilian and military, that 'could' explode if hit by lightning ?

Boeing 747 hull losses - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The accident investigation determined that a lightning strike caused an explosion in a fuel tank in the wing, leading to flutter and the separation of the wing.

And that is the well known 747. May be we should do away with all flying? You are going to have to do better than that.

I trust Sprey over some guy on a message board. Lets see your expert. All this back and forth and you haven't presented a single source to back you up.
BTW I weighed in on the f35 knowing you would be the one with the chorus behind you. I know full well military sycophants like you would take exception to my less than worshipful opinion on the use of our stolen money.

But why should you trust him ? Is Sprey the only aviation figure around ?

As for me backing my arguments up, I asked you to select one item to discuss, no matter if it came from Sprey or from Santa Claus. I do not need a chorus behind me. I have my experience and knowledge to challenge you. You brought on Sprey to criticize the F-35, then by default you must defend his position. The difference between you and an intellectually honest person lies in the language used. An intellectually honest person seeking genuine knowledge and debate would not use inflammatory words like 'junk' simply because it already revealed a made up mind. You accused me of being biased. Look at yourself. Worse off for you, if I am biased, at least I have something to stand upon. What do you have ? Zilch but to appeal other figures.

Again...Let us know IF you are willing to debate in a rational manner.

 

[gambit]

Freedom, lol.

And freedom is the reason so many people want to come the US and be US citizens. lol.

 

[libertad]

How about there is a history of aircrafts, civilian and military, that 'could' explode if hit by lightning ?

Boeing 747 hull losses - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And that is the well known 747. May be we should do away with all flying? You are going to have to do better than that.


But why should you trust him ? Is Sprey the only aviation figure around ?

As for me backing my arguments up, I asked you to select one item to discuss, no matter if it came from Sprey or from Santa Claus. I do not need a chorus behind me. I have my experience and knowledge to challenge you. You brought on Sprey to criticize the F-35, then by default you must defend his position. The difference between you and an intellectually honest person lies in the language used. An intellectually honest person seeking genuine knowledge and debate would not use inflammatory words like 'junk' simply because it already revealed a made up mind. You accused me of being biased. Look at yourself. Worse off for you, if I am biased, at least I have something to stand upon. What do you have ? Zilch but to appeal other figures.

Again...Let us know IF you are willing to debate in a rational manner.

Yes I am biased. I have been convinced by a plethora of skeptics. Sprey being the most prominent. There are many many others among them the governments of Canada, Australia, Netherlands and Italy. I've posted numerous sources reporting on the f35's fallability. You've posted NONE to suggest otherwise..