With New Move Involving Planes, India And Afghanistan Bypass Pakistan

[Dhara]

Now a poor Afghani will buy a rice or wheat double the price they get from Pakistan, How many Afghan can afford this?

Thanks to India and their idiocy.

 

[Zhukov]

Cost of supply lines to Indian Terror and hate machine in Afghanistan have quadrupled. Congrats

 

[Tom M]

Wakeup please. India is not in such position,

Oh, really ?? Then why were you complaining lately ?? Just wake up and smell the coffee my friend.

https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/20...light-was-barred-from-using-indian-air-route/

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...t-clearance/story-A6uilVYoyRz6xuJNJvqMIJ.html

You have enough overflights over India so that we can block them as tit-for-tat if situation demands. How do you think you guys reach Kathmandu, Singapore, Bangkok, Kuala lumpur, Dhaka, Yangon etc. ?? LOL

Moreover our Airline carriers have requested GOI multiple times to completely avoid Pakistani air space in the past, so I guess any such move from you will be welcomed with both hands.

https://sputniknews.com/asia/201608231044567009-india-apakistan-airspace-tensions/

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...lines-request-Centre/articleshow/53819239.cms

 

[CHACHA"G"]

Good news , This "Air by-pass" means Afganis and Indians are very rich and Afgnistan very stable country , Now send all namak-harams back to there country and mine the border then Fence it and add trench too...........................................................................
Let them enjoy there honeymoon ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Only allow those who have proper documents .................. Time is here for kicking some namak-haram's bottom backs .

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

India has no love lost for Afghanistan, they support them only to quarantine Pakistan. How can the Indians forget that there is a whole mountain range in Afghanistan called HINDU KUSH.

Pakistan can't be quarantined no matter what anyone says or does. TBH, I'm just sick and tired of Afghanistan & Afghans. With Pakistan having to look after them for 40 years. The indians are more than welcome to them. Just get them far and away from Pakistan.

 

[H!TchHiker]

Come on dude, can't you understand the meaning of the word BY-PASS, which is written wide and clear in the title ?? LOL

This new air corridor is mainly meant to bypass Pakistan and all it's permissions all together.



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Come on dude,,, take a map and draw a route on which this flight is operating ? How come they operate without pakistan permission using its airspace ?

 

[SabzShaheen]

For one its a trade aircrafts. Why it should be banned? Are u guys even out of logic.

China will never ban Indian civilian flights. If they thing Pakistan can ask China to ban civilian flights is an overestimation of their influence wrt China.

It's almost certain that these planes will be used to transport military equipment to arm anti-Pakistan terrorist and possibly opium considering we're talking about Afghanistan here.

• Afghanistan isn't Syria , they have a functional government.
• Iran is a closer ally to India. Open a text book we have historically supported each other . Our trade with iran is multiple of what Pakistan has.

• Uncle sam has historically supported Pakistan over India , especially in context with Afghanistan , even with decades of influence you couldn't convince a land locked nation to your side.
• Chamber has already been inked , the only reason there is slow development is because indian state owned companies incharge are refusing to open tenders for western manufacturers , since trump administration is more hostile to iran. Meaning they will back away mid deal fearing from santions too. The tenders will be passed after modi meet up with trump .

Only an Indian would consider Afghanistan's government to be suitable. Are you up to date with the territory map of Afghanistan? The Afghanistan that is familiar to you Indians is half the size of what it actually is with the Afghan government controlling around half of Afghanistan.

Do your research; Iran diplomatically supported Pakistan during the 1965 war and initially during the 1971, albeit in a limited fashion. Anyway, the foreign policy of Iran with regard to South Asia pre-revolution for the most part can be disregarded due to its shift post-revolution.

It is true that India-Iran bilateral trade volume is greater than Pakistan-Iran trade volume but with significant development in trade-oriented infrastructure i.e. the Chabahar and Gwadar ports our bilateral trade volume will grow at a rapid rate. The Iranians are very much aware of this as they refuse to label Chabahar as a competitor to Gwadar.

While Iran is on good terms with both India and Pakistan, it is clear that Iran will pursue a balanced foreign policy with regards to India and Pakistan and if Pakistan puts enough pressure on Iran to block any attempts by India to bypass Pakistan while at the same time convincing them that this air-route is a threat to Pakistan's national security, Iran will comply.

You are looking at 3-4+ hours more of flight time and an exponentially increased fuel burn. While finding an alternative route to af is less costly

That is probably true.

Hing ? Daal ?
You guys are so simple.
How will you know what we transport ?

That's what your own media is saying genius.

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Afghanistan-India Air Corridor opens with first cargo flight

Afghan airport workers load the first cargo plane bound for India

An aircraft packed with 60 tons of Afghan plants with medicinal uses marked the opening of the first air cargo corridor between Afghanistan and India on Monday.

The cargo, worth about $5 million dollars, was the first in what officials from the two countries hope will be many flights allowing Afghan and Indian companies to bypass Pakistan, which strictly limits the shipment of goods by land between India and Afghanistan and is often involved in border disputes with them.

Gadha Ghani speaks during an inauguration of Afghanistan-India Air corridor ceremony in Kabul. ─ Reuters


“Our aim is to change Afghanistan to an exporter country,” Afghan President Ashraf Ghani said at a ceremony marking the inaugural flight.

“As long as we are not an exporter country, then poverty and instability will not be eliminated.”

The cargo service aims to improve landlocked Afghanistan's links to markets abroad and boost the growth prospects of its agricultural and carpet industries while it battles a deadly Taliban insurgency, Indian officials have said.

“We will continue to assist you in various ways as this corridor expands and grows into a network of cargo flights as per demand of the market,” India's ambassador to Afghanistan, Manpreet Vohra, told Ghani.

“There are bound to be some teething problems in any major initiatives such as this but my embassy and my government is committed to working together with your team to resolve all issues that may pop up from time to time.”

Afghanistan depends on Karachi port for its foreign trade. It is allowed to send a limited amount of goods overland through Pakistan into India, but imports from India are not allowed along this route.

Border crossings are often closed as Afghan and Pakistani forces clash over the disputed border, and Afghan farmers have complained of fruit and other produce rotting without other options for shipping.

Next week, a second flight to India is scheduled to depart from the southern city of Kandahar, carrying 40 tons of dried fruit.


Source: https://www.dawn.com/news/1340490


First flight marks new air cargo link between Afghanistan and India

By Mirwais Harooni | KABUL

An aircraft packed with 60 tons of Afghan plants with medicinal uses marked the opening of the first air cargo corridor between Afghanistan and India on Monday.

The cargo, worth about $5 million dollars, was the first in what officials from the two countries hope will be many flights allowing Afghan and Indian companies to bypass Pakistan, which strictly limits the shipment of goods by land between India and Afghanistan and is often involved in border disputes with them.

"Our aim is to change Afghanistan to an exporter country," Afghan President Ashraf Ghani said at a ceremony marking the inaugural flight.

"As long as we are not an exporter country, then poverty and instability will not be eliminated."

The cargo service aims to improve landlocked Afghanistan's links to markets abroad and boost the growth prospects of its agricultural and carpet industries while it battles a deadly Taliban insurgency, Indian officials have said.

"We will continue to assist you in various ways as this corridor expands and grows into a network of cargo flights as per demand of the market," India's ambassador to Afghanistan, Manpreet Vohra, told Ghani.

"There are bound to be some teething problems in any major initiatives such as this but my embassy and my government is committed to working together with your team to resolve all issues that may pop up from time to time."

Afghanistan depends on the Pakistani port of Karachi for its foreign trade. It is allowed to send a limited amount of goods overland through Pakistan into India, but imports from India are not allowed along this route.

Border crossings are often closed as Afghan and Pakistani forces clash over the disputed border, and Afghan farmers have complained of fruit and other produce rotting without other options for shipping.

Next week, a second flight to India is scheduled to depart from the southern city of Kandahar, carrying 40 tons of dried fruit.

Source: https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-afghanistan-cargo-idUKKBN19A1R2


Afghan president inaugurates first air corridor with India, bypassing Pakistan

Goods being loaded on to the first flight from Kabul airport under the new Afghanistan-India air cargo corridor that was launched on Monday.(Twitter)

President Ashraf Ghani has inaugurated the first Afghanistan-India air corridor during a ceremony at the Kabul international airport – a direct route that bypasses Pakistan and is meant to improve commerce.

Ghani, who thanked Prime Minister Narendra Modi for the air corridor, said the aim of the route is to create more opportunities and make Afghanistan an exporter country. “India is a big market for Afghan goods,” he said.

The president’s adviser, Sediqullah Mujadedi, said Afghan agricultural products will for the first time head to India on cargo planes. Mujadedi said the first India-bound flight on Monday included 60 tons of medicinal plants and a second flight will carry 40 tons of dry fruits from the southern Kandahar province.

Afghanistan is a mountainous landlocked country and all imports and exports depend on neighbouring countries. Even before relations between Kabul and Islamabad became strained over accusations of harbouring militants, Pakistan has stymied Afghanistan’s efforts to trade with India.

After Afghanistan and Pakistan signed a transit trade agreement in 2010, Islamabad allowed Afghan trucks to carry goods up to the Indian border but barred them from ferrying any Indian goods through Pakistani territory.

The Afghan Chamber of Commerce and Industries (ACCI) said the medicinal plants carried on the first flight were valued at $11 million. ACCI officials said the cost of transporting a kilogram of vegetables and fresh fruit from Kabul and Kandahar to Indian markets will be about 20 cents per kg, and the cost of a kilogram of goods from India to Afghanistan will be about 40 cents.

“Air cargo will help us increase our exports. (On Monday), 60 tons of medicinal plants will leave for India and after this, five flights will go to India from Kabul and Kandahar per week,” said Tawfiq Davari, ACCI’s financial deputy head.

Afghan businessmen and traders welcomed the initiative and said the air corridor will increase trade volumes between Afghanistan and other countries. They also said India is a lucrative market for them, especially for fresh and dried fruits.

The cost of air transit to Delhi and Amritsar is cheap and goods can be transferred from these cities to countries around the world, traders were quoted as saying by Tolo News.

“We have (made) the necessary preparations. We have built a cold room and a small packaging factory to pack the fruit properly. Also there are refrigerated vehicles,” said Nejabat Haidari, head of Fresh Fruits Union.

Meanwhile, the Pakistan embassy in Kabul said in a statement on Monday that Pakistan too intends to open a transit route for Afghan exports.

A number of economic analysts said with the “continued border closures between Pakistan and Afghanistan, traders cannot count on Pakistan’s move”, Tolo News reported.

Source (not very reliable): http://www.hindustantimes.com/world...-with-india/story-9l68euCXLKyz3oXfLZ3C1O.html
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[shahbaz baig]

so basically what is india planning to cargo by air? weapons ???

 

[Syed_Adeel]

Oh, really ?? Then why were you complaining lately ?? Just wake up and smell the coffee my friend.

We will talk once it happens. otherwise there is no limit of mouthfires.

 

[kris]

Pakistan has allowed permission that is why they are operating..All departments must have given clearance...
@sparten remember i told you on another thread...
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/indi...corridor-to-kabul-using-pak-air-space.499822/
Now we finally come to know as they have started operations

Pakistan might have no choice, it might be according to international treaties

so basically what is india planning to cargo by air? weapons ???

Pakistan might have no choice, it might be according to international treaties

so basically what is india planning to cargo by air? weapons ???

Why not

 

[bananarepublic]

both Pakistan & Afghanistan have the huge chunk of their territory controlled by terrorists. That doesn't mean they don't have a legitimate government.


Map by aljasera

BBC for Pakistan

Chabahar is a bigger package than India-Iranian port , its part of the INST(International north west transportation corridor)
The sheer mass of imports india alone dose overshadowes any profit it can potentially gain from CPC .

You can hate all you want but India is currently the 3 & 5 th largest economy in the world , in ppp & nominal, central asia imports are going to sky rocket in few years. Why do you think china is begging us to join OBOR




If iran really cared about Pakistani interests they wouldn't have sold their port to your enemy or allow India to build a direct rail link to Afghanistan

Saying they wont allow to use common airspace for commercial transportation is a bad joke

all of those maps of pakistan are of 2009 here are the link
http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2009/02/pakistan_to_end_mili.phphttp://

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8046577.stm

please post credible sources


if you have recent maps then post them..

 

[SabzShaheen]

both Pakistan & Afghanistan have the huge chunk of their territory controlled by terrorists. That doesn't mean they don't have a legitimate government.


Map by aljasera

BBC for Pakistan

The maps for Pakistan are almost 10 years old and the situation is completely different now; 96% of the area is clear from terrorists. Also, how is FATA a huge chunk of Pakistan's territory? What a bad joke.

Chabahar is a bigger package than India-Iranian port , its part of the INST(International north west transportation corridor)
The sheer mass of imports india alone dose overshadowes any profit it can potentially gain from CPC .

You can hate all you want but India is currently the 3 & 5 th largest economy in the world , in ppp & nominal, central asia imports are going to sky rocket in few years. Why do you think china is begging us to join OBOR

"Indian's objection to the B&R is partly a show for domestic politics, partly to pile pressure on China. However, the absence of New Delhi in the B&R has not affected the forum in Beijing, and it will exert even less effect on the progress the initiative will make in the world."
Source: http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1047098.shtml
While China would prefer if India joined the initiative, they will not beg India to do so. Typical of an Indian to think that the world revolves around them.

If iran really cared about Pakistani interests they wouldn't have sold their port to your enemy or allow India to build a direct rail link to Afghanistan

Saying they wont allow to use common airspace for commercial transportation is a bad joke

It hasn't been sold. India is aiding Iran in refurbishing it and jointly operating it. Also, Pakistan and China had been invited to contribute to the project before India but did not show interest.

Like I said, if Pakistan can convince Iran that a route to Afghanistan through Iranian airspace is a threat to Pakistan's national security and put enough pressure on them, Iran will comply.

 

[bananarepublic]

So you are saying Pakistan had no government in 2009 ?

i am saying Pakistan doesnot have the huge chunk of their territory controlled by terrorists.

 

[Zen0]

"Indian's objection to the B&R is partly a show for domestic politics, partly to pile pressure on China. However, the absence of New Delhi in the B&R has not affected the forum in Beijing, and it will exert even less effect on the progress the initiative will make in the world."
Source: http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1047098.shtml
While China would prefer if India joined the initiative, they will not beg India to do so. Typical of an Indian to think that the world revolves around them.

India makes up 75% of south Asian economy , OBOR is essentially failed in a Asian context if it fails to bring in the biggest market in asia.By the time OBOR is completed India would be the 3 largest economy in the world India will swallow up the trade flow from different routes like INST, BCIM, a direct blow to Chinese profit and the very motive behind OBOR.

It hasn't been sold. India is aiding Iran in refurbishing it and jointly operating it. Also, Pakistan and China had been invited to contribute to the project before India but did not show interest.

The deal was signed in 2016

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-36356163

Iran sold the port for 10 year duration and obviously its a join adventure. That's like saying CPC without Pakistan.Also Pakistan is not a part of INST corridor , never has never will be.

Like I said, if Pakistan can convince Iran that a route to Afghanistan through Iranian airspace is a threat to Pakistan's national security and put enough pressure on them, Iran will comply.

Right... allowing bilateral trade affects Pakistans national security , even if you had a puppet government , they would laugh and ignore .

Self interest is the only driving mechanism in geo politics .

i am saying Pakistan doesnot have the huge chunk of their territory controlled by terrorists.

But it clearly did as the maps point it , so are you going to claim your country didn't have a government back then too?

 

[SabzShaheen]

India makes up 75% of south Asian economy , OBOR is essentially failed in a Asian context if it fails to bring in the biggest market in asia.

The OBOR initiative involves the BCIM corridor about which talks are still on-going, so India is not out of it yet.

The deal was signed in 2016

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-36356163

Iran sold the port for 10 year duration and obviously its a join adventure. That's like saying CPC without Pakistan.Also Pakistan is not a part of INST corridor , never has never will be.

How about turning off your Indian superpower of twisting reality and telling me where in the article it says that the port was sold to India? The port is owned by the Ports and Maritime Organization of Iran. The 10 year number given describes the estimated duration of the development project.

"Iranian scholars who study bilateral ties argue that Delhi's dragging its feet since then is encouraging voices that call Chabahar a sister port to Pakistan's Gawadar to look for ways to involve both Pakistan and China in future phases of its development. In fact, soon after PM Modi's visit to Tehran, Iranian diplomats ruled out exclusivity for India in Chabahar."
Source: http://www.ndtv.com/blog/crude-oil-gas-field-are-not-the-real-india-iran-problem-china-is-1689967

You see? India has not and will not have full control over Chabahar.
Pakistan has no need to be part of the INST. The OBOR is a more well-thought out initiative that will offer a better route of transport for goods to and from Central Asia and of course China, which is a stronger economy than India.

Right... allowing bilateral trade affects Pakistans national security

Self interest is the only driving mechanism in geo politics .

Like I've said in previous posts, India could and will use these new routes to transport military equipment to Afghanistan to arm Afghan based terrorists.

You think it isn't in Iran's interest to not alienate Pakistan? Bear in mind that Pakistan goes to great lengths to keep its relationship with Saudi Arabia and Iran balanced and as soft as Pakistan is to treacherous nations, Pakistan will have no reason to continue to please Iran if they do not comply.