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A glimpse of peace in Afghanistan: With fighting paused, soldiers invite Taliban over for chicken
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A soldier walks outside a military outpost in the village of Loy Mandah in Afghanistan’s Helmand province on Feb. 24. (Lorenzo Tugnoli for The Washington Post)
By
Susannah George
Feb. 27, 2020 at 8:00 p.m. GMT+8


MARJA, Afghanistan — The Afghan army sergeant pulled down his shirt collar to reveal a thick, jagged scar across his neck. Five years ago, he said, the Taliban kidnapped him, slit his throat and left him for dead.

But that’s the past, Sgt. Abdul Rashid Karwan said. Now, he’s ready for peace.

In one of Afghanistan’s most volatile provinces, cautiously optimistic about a peace deal set to be signed between the United States and the Taliban on Saturday, Karwan and his men thus did something that would have been unthinkable even a week ago: They invited Taliban fighters to lunch.

“We’ll bring a good chicken for you!” one of his soldiers shouted across the rocky farmland of Helmand province, toward a fighter on a motorcycle with a rifle slung over his shoulder.

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Afghan soldiers shout across an open field at a group of Taliban fighters on Feb. 25, during the period of reduced violence. (Lorenzo Tugnoli for The Washington Post)
The lunch offer came on the fourth day of a seven-day period of reduced violence between U.S.-backed Afghan forces and the Taliban. The Taliban controls or contests more than half of Helmand’s districts, and this once-active front line, like half a dozen others around the province, had fallen almost completely silent.


As of Thursday, Helmand had not seen a single “significant” break of the violence-reduction agreement, according to Lt. Gen. Wali Mohammed Ahmadzai, the top Afghan army commander in the province. He called it a turning point in the conflict.

“This war is just destroying everything,” he said. “We are tired, and the Taliban is tired.”

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Afghan police officers guard the Ali Nazar outpost in the area of Bolan, just outside Lashkar Gah, the provincial capital of Helmand, on Feb. 22. (Lorenzo Tugnoli for The Washington Post)
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An Afghan police officer guards the Thrikh outpost in the district of Nawa on Feb. 22. (Lorenzo Tugnoli for The Washington Post)
The same was true across much of the country. Afghanistan’s Interior Ministry has measured an 80 percent decrease in violence since the agreement went into effect Saturday, a senior ministry official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk to the media.

From farming villages to remote outposts on the edges of tightly held Taliban districts, fighters and civilians here said they were relieved by the pause in violence. But many said they fear more bloodshed after the signing of the U.S.-Taliban peace deal, which hinges on violence remaining low through Friday.


U.S. negotiators in Qatar insisted on the period of reduced violence as a measure intended to build confidence between Taliban and Afghan government forces. But unlike a cease-fire in 2018, when Taliban fighters freely crossed government lines into provincial capitals and Kabul, this period of relative calm has not afforded fighters complete freedom of movement.

“There is not 100 percent trust on both sides because this is not a 100 percent reduction in violence,” said Karwan, the commander at the outpost on the edge of Marja.

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A group of elders from surrounding villages wait to meet the local police commander inside a military outpost in the village of Loy Mandah on Feb. 23. (Lorenzo Tugnoli for The Washington Post)
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Afghans buy and sell fruit and vegetables in Lashkar Gah’s main market. Since the reduction in violence began, roads have been more secure and commerce has increased. (Lorenzo Tugnoli for The Washington Post)
When Karwan’s soldiers offered the chicken meal, the Taliban fighter on the motorbike responded that meeting government soldiers would “create problems” for him, and sped away.


Earlier that day, a group of armed Taliban fighters who approached the outpost said they were under strict orders not to enter Afghan military bases or take selfies with soldiers. Instead, they came just to talk to the men they would normally have been shooting at. Karwan said that the Taliban fighters were curious and that, after 18 years of conflict, both sides are ready for peace.

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But Karwan and more than a dozen other Afghan soldiers stationed across Helmand said that no matter how long the reduction in violence lasts, it would never encourage them to trust the Taliban.


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The United States plans to sign a peace deal with the Taliban on Feb. 29 as long as a week-long reduction in violence holds across Afghanistan. (Joyce Lee, Missy Ryan, Susannah George/The Washington Post)
At the Marja outpost, soldiers did not stray far from their fortifications, and Karwan said fear of an attack prevented them from walking to the Taliban base just down the road.


They did cross a narrow stream on a half-finished bridge that roughly marks the dividing line between government and Taliban territory, steps that would have prompted a volley of Taliban fire just days before. The men hung around a motorcycle repair shop as traffic whizzed by on the main road.

“We’ve never seen peace for this long in the last 20 years,” said Hekmatullah, a 23-year-old shop owner who, like many Afghans, uses only one name. “This feels relaxed,” he said.

But beneath the laid-back atmosphere was an undercurrent of unease.

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Soldiers guard an outpost in Marja district. Taliban positions are located only few hundred yards away, and usually the area sees violent clashes. (Lorenzo Tugnoli for The Washington Post)
At another remote outpost just 15 miles away that marked the beginning of the end of government control outside Gereshk, 2nd Lt. Aghagul Afghan said he does not believe that the Taliban fighters in his area will keep their word. He instructed his men to continue conducting patrols outside the base.


“We didn’t receive very detailed orders, just a call on the radio. My commander told me we are not allowed to attack the Taliban, otherwise we will be prosecuted. All they told me is, ‘Don’t make problems for us,’ ” he said.

Less than an hour later, a handful of shots rang out outside the base’s walls. The men inside barely reacted. Afghan said that the Taliban fired the first shot and that he doubted it constituted a violation. But he acknowledged, “I don’t know what this term ‘reduction in violence’ means.”

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Just outside his base’s walls, pro-government militiamen and civilians were mingling along the edge of a canal dividing government and Taliban territory, a scenic stretch of road that would have been a deadly place to stand just days before.


“Now you can see people standing here and on the other side; it means they are not afraid,” said Nasibullah Popal, a 20-year-old private, gesturing to Taliban territory just a few yards away. Behind him, a young pro-government militia fighter ambled along the water’s edge, playing Bollywood music on a portable speaker within direct sight of Taliban bases.

Scenes like this could have important symbolic value for any future reduction in violence, said Andrew Watkins, the senior Afghanistan analyst for the International Crisis Group.

“At different points, all sides of this war — the Taliban, Western military forces and the Afghan state — have viewed Helmand as a focal point, a deadly centerpiece of their war effort,” he said. “If these Afghans can live through a week’s respite of fighting, that might begin to change wider perceptions of whether or not a lasting peace is possible.”

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Soldiers and civilians gather on the bank of a canal in Loy Mandah village. The Taliban controls the area on the other side of the canal. (Lorenzo Tugnoli for The Washington Post)
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Soldiers stand near a canal in Loy Mandah village. The area is usually exposed to sniper fire. (Lorenzo Tugnoli for The Washington Post)
In neighboring Nad Ali district, 21-year-old shop owner Gulwali Balouch said he does not know what peace feels like. He doesn’t remember what Afghanistan was like before the war, and he lives on one of Helmand’s many fault lines, where violence has forced him to flee several times in just the past few years. Once, the clashes erupted so quickly that he was forced to abandon the entire contents of his store.

But, he said, the past few days have allowed him to “imagine what a peaceful life would be.”

Away from the main roads, checkpoints and outposts, a family sipping tea was similarly thankful for the lull in violence but less hopeful about the future. Two brothers and their children sat in the middle of neat fields growing wheat and opium poppy.

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“We live between two front lines,” said Sayed Ahmed, a farmer in his 30s. He said his family was accustomed to the daily sound of gunfire, rockets and fighter jets, but once the noise stopped, the atmosphere felt “sweeter.”

The brothers appeared to sympathize with the Taliban but did not indicate whether they were part of the militant group. They said the situation in Marja improved when the Taliban began to retake the area in 2015. Five years earlier, a months-long U.S. offensive to clear out the militants left farming villages here badly battered, stoking frustration with the Afghan government and foreign troops.

Ahmed said his father, who stayed behind to protect the house and animals when the rest of the family fled, was killed in a U.S. airstrike days after the 2010 offensive began.

Ahmed and his younger brother shrugged wearily when asked if they thought the recent calm was a sign of lasting peace to come. “I’m concerned the foreigners will break their promise,” Ahmed said, referring to the provision in the peace deal for the withdrawal of thousands of American troops.

“Tell the foreigners, just sign the agreement,” said Ahmed’s younger brother, Abdulbaqi Atrafi. “Because if they don’t, we are ready to fight for 25 more years.”

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Mohammed Ali works in his family’s field in the early morning hours on Feb. 25. His family home is located a few miles from the front line between the Taliban and Afghan security forces. (Lorenzo Tugnoli for The Washington Post)
Aziz Tassal in Marja and Sharif Hassan in Kabul contributed to this report.


Susannah George

Susannah George is The Washington Post's Afghanistan and Pakistan bureau chief. She previously headed the Associated Press’s Baghdad bureau and covered national security and intelligence from the AP’s Washington bureau. Follow


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The Afghan army sergeant pulled down his shirt collar to reveal a thick, jagged scar across his neck. Five years ago, he said, the Taliban kidnapped him, slit his throat and left him for dead.

But that’s the past, Sgt. Abdul Rashid Karwan said. Now, he’s ready for peace.

The Good Taliban ??
 
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In the name of Allah stop fighting you moron Afghans. You have destroyed your country, killed your own people. You have not defeated Soviet union or USA. You have defeated your own country beyond repair.
Every foreign country have its own interests. India, USA, Russia, Pakistan, Iran, China alike.
Stop being lackeys of foreign nations.You are not Mighty Warriors you are Jackass nation hire for rent for anyone that provides Arms and Money, Killing each other for 4 decades. Give peace a chance save your children a future. Become Neutral state.
 
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so good or bad talibans?
i miss desi libtrads from lahore & karanchi some times but they follow teh narrative of the secular countries and not their own
 
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In the name of Allah stop fighting you moron Afghans. You have destroyed your country, killed your own people. You have not defeated Soviet union or USA. You have defeated your own country beyond repair.
Every foreign country have its own interests. India, USA, Russia, Pakistan, Iran, China alike.
Stop being lackeys of foreign nations.You are not Mighty Warriors you are Jackass nation hire for rent for anyone that provides Arms and Money, Killing each other for 4 decades. Give peace a chance save your children a future. Become Neutral state.

Well said.

Your post deserves a positive rating.
 
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In the name of Allah stop fighting you moron Afghans. You have destroyed your country, killed your own people. You have not defeated Soviet union or USA. You have defeated your own country beyond repair.
Every foreign country have its own interests. India, USA, Russia, Pakistan, Iran, China alike.
Stop being lackeys of foreign nations.You are not Mighty Warriors you are Jackass nation hire for rent for anyone that provides Arms and Money, Killing each other for 4 decades. Give peace a chance save your children a future. Become Neutral state.

US, India, and Iran removed Taliban government in Kabul for what reason? We had 10 lovely years of peace in Afghanistan before WoT. Put blame where blame is due.

Even now the main hurdle is only one country, Iran.

@Hakim Dawary thoughts?
 
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Nah just the 'told you so' Taliban.

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US, India, and Iran removed Taliban government in Kabul for what reason? We had 10 lovely years of peace in Afghanistan before WoT. Put blame where blame is due.

How could it have been a lovely atmosphere when all that the Taliban did was to shut down music shops, barber shops, confining women inside homes and creating a Regressive atmosphere which led to events like Farkhunda's lynching ??

@Hakim Dawary, what do you as an Afghan say ??
 
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How could it have been a lovely atmosphere when all that the Taliban did was to shut down music shops, barber shops, confining women inside homes and creating a Regressive atmosphere which led to events like Farkhunda's lynching ??

@Hakim Dawary, what do you as an Afghan say ??

To understand the Taliban you have to understand Afghanistan's history... The story goes back to 1972 under President Daoud, from 1972-1975 President Daoud had an anti-Pakistan agenda, which is what brought us closer to the Soviet camp, then from late 1975-1978, President Daoud started coming closer and closer to Pakistan and wished to settle the Durand line dispute and have friendly relations with Pakistan, which did not sit well with the Soviet Union. The Soviet on the eve of April 28 sent helicopters with commandos inside and entered President Daouds tenure and had him assassinated. The PDPA assisted the Soviets in doing so, and kept his death a secret, they immediately after took over and declared a communist regime in a bloody coup.

What happened after was a cataclysm of rebellions throughout Afghanistan because of the events that transpired. Fast forward to when the last Soviet soldier left Afghanistan, the Mujahids who fought against the Soviets then fought amongst themselves for power. The Taliban were Pashtuns from Kandahar who grew tired of the bloodshed between rival warlords that raged on for 4 grueling years; They travelled to Quetta to plead to the Pashtuns in Quetta, who with them formed an alliance and made the Taliban. Numbers of Pashtuns from Pakistan flocked under their banner and took control of Afghanistan; The people of Afghanistan at the time welcomed them as they wanted the chaos to end... Now consider these three points...

1. Taliban would not have happened had a bloody communist coup not happened in 1978.
2. Taliban would not have happened had the warlords settled their differences and decided for peace.
3. Taliban was the result of bloodshed that did not stop.

Taliban banned schools this is true and I have heard of atrocities committed by some of them in the northern parts of Afghanistan, I can't comment on that as this hearsay, but I will take their word for it and give them the benefit of the doubt.

What you must consider here is two points respectively... 1. What was the alternative to the chaos that was brought about after the Soviet withdrawal if the warlords were not going to lay down their weapons? 2. Taliban rule was short lived (5 years), they had to clean up after the chaos, how can developements be expected in such a short time?

Presently, the Taliban are open to education, from mathematics, sciences etc. The Taliban are open to girls attending school provided that it is within the Islamic frame. The Taliban are open to women being educated and working provided that it is within the Islamic frame. Since 2001, The Taliban have accepted their previous mistakes of how they governed and wish to correct that in the future. If they do not accept these changes, they will not be accepted into Afghan society, the Taliban are aware that they have to make compromises within the Islamic framework, and the rest of the Afghans know that they too must make compromises to stop the violence, after all this nation belongs to both of us, it can't be one way or the other. Hope that answers your question.
 
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In the name of Allah stop fighting you moron Afghans. You have destroyed your country, killed your own people. You have not defeated Soviet union or USA. You have defeated your own country beyond repair.
Every foreign country have its own interests. India, USA, Russia, Pakistan, Iran, China alike.
Stop being lackeys of foreign nations.You are not Mighty Warriors you are Jackass nation hire for rent for anyone that provides Arms and Money, Killing each other for 4 decades. Give peace a chance save your children a future. Become Neutral state.
wow, this post sounds alarming but its the best summary of Afghanistan i can find on this forum, hands down. Great post bro!
 
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To understand the Taliban you have to understand Afghanistan's history... The story goes back to 1972 under President Daoud, from 1972-1975 President Daoud had an anti-Pakistan agenda, which is what brought us closer to the Soviet camp, then from late 1975-1978, President Daoud started coming closer and closer to Pakistan and wished to settle the Durand line dispute and have friendly relations with Pakistan, which did not sit well with the Soviet Union. The Soviet on the eve of April 28 sent helicopters with commandos inside and entered President Daouds tenure and had him assassinated. The PDPA assisted the Soviets in doing so, and kept his death a secret, they immediately after took over and declared a communist regime in a bloody coup.

What happened after was a cataclysm of rebellions throughout Afghanistan because of the events that transpired. Fast forward to when the last Soviet soldier left Afghanistan, the Mujahids who fought against the Soviets then fought amongst themselves for power. The Taliban were Pashtuns from Kandahar who grew tired of the bloodshed between rival warlords that raged on for 4 grueling years; They travelled to Quetta to plead to the Pashtuns in Quetta, who with them formed an alliance and made the Taliban. Numbers of Pashtuns from Pakistan flocked under their banner and took control of Afghanistan; The people of Afghanistan at the time welcomed them as they wanted the chaos to end... Now consider these three points...

1. Taliban would not have happened had a bloody communist coup not happened in 1978.
2. Taliban would not have happened had the warlords settled their differences and decided for peace.
3. Taliban was the result of bloodshed that did not stop.

Taliban banned schools this is true and I have heard of atrocities committed by some of them in the northern parts of Afghanistan, I can't comment on that as this hearsay, but I will take their word for it and give them the benefit of the doubt.

What you must consider here is two points respectively... 1. What was the alternative to the chaos that was brought about after the Soviet withdrawal if the warlords were not going to lay down their weapons? 2. Taliban rule was short lived (5 years), they had to clean up after the chaos, how can developements be expected in such a short time?

Presently, the Taliban are open to education, from mathematics, sciences etc. The Taliban are open to girls attending school provided that it is within the Islamic frame. The Taliban are open to women being educated and working provided that it is within the Islamic frame. Since 2001, The Taliban have accepted their previous mistakes of how they governed and wish to correct that in the future. If they do not accept these changes, they will not be accepted into Afghan society, the Taliban are aware that they have to make compromises within the Islamic framework, and the rest of the Afghans know that they too must make compromises to stop the violence, after all this nation belongs to both of us, it can't be one way or the other. Hope that answers your question.

Thanks for the detailed answer. Tell me, if you had to choose between the Taliban and the Afghan Socialists ( at present, the SPA movement ), which would you choose ??

I found the below in President Daoud Khan's Wikipedia page :
Khan met Leonid Brezhnev on a state visit to Moscow from April 12 to 15, 1977. He had asked for a private meeting with the Soviet leader to discuss with him the increased pattern of Soviet actions in Afghanistan. In particular, he discussed the intensified Soviet attempt to unite the two factions of the Afghan communist parties, Parcham and Khalq. Brezhnev described Afghanistan's non-alignment as important to the USSR and essential to the promotion of peace in Asia, but warned him about the presence of experts from NATO countries stationed in the northern parts of Afghanistan. Daoud bluntly replied that Afghanistan would remain free, and that the Soviet Union would never be allowed to dictate how the country should be governed.

After returning to Afghanistan, he made plans that his government would diminish its relationships with the Soviet Union, and instead forge closer contacts with the West as well as the oil-rich Saudi Arabia and Iran.
So Daoud Khan became opposed to the Soviet Union and joined the Western camp.

The Taliban are open to girls attending school provided that it is within the Islamic frame. The Taliban are open to women being educated and working provided that it is within the Islamic frame.

What does "Islamic frame" mean ??

Since 2001, The Taliban have accepted their previous mistakes of how they governed and wish to correct that in the future. If they do not accept these changes, they will not be accepted into Afghan society, the Taliban are aware that they have to make compromises within the Islamic framework, and the rest of the Afghans know that they too must make compromises to stop the violence, after all this nation belongs to both of us, it can't be one way or the other.

Well said.
 
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Is this some sort of thanksgiving chicken?

You have been in that country for so long but couldn't figure out it's a lamb country not a chicken country.

That's like a provocative gesture than a peaceful gesture.
 
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How could it have been a lovely atmosphere when all that the Taliban did was to shut down music shops, barber shops, confining women inside homes and creating a Regressive atmosphere which led to events like Farkhunda's lynching ??

All of that is merely propaganda which was pushed by the US pre-invasion, the war on Afghanistan was planned before 2001. Vilification of governments starts very early, you have to understand the American psyche.

For a society where law and order broke down and kidnappings were rife, some security measures needed to be taken, particularly to defend the vulnerable, namely women and children.

You have to understand the structure of the Taliban government, which is decentralized and run by commanders. Each region was autonomous and only loosely held together. Differing regions had differing laws, but were overseen by central leadership.

For example the Taliban governor of Bamiyan who destroyed the Buddha statues was relieved of his position and humiliated by the Taliban, but no Western media reported about that. Instead they used that rogue action to tarnish the whole group.

If you are going to criticize them, atleast be fair.

Ofcourse if the source of information is wrong, not much we can do about that.

As for the 2015 blasphemy incident, you know it is a big deal in the Muslim world and even false allegations can lead to violence. I dont know the specifics of this case, but obviously Afghan Kabul puppet regime failed to stop it. You can't blame a rebel group for the government's failures to institute law and order
 
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