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First Introduced in 2002 in Indian Air force and now considered the backbone of IAF fighter fleet, Sukhoi-30MKI will soon undergo up-gradation to remain relevant to future air warfare.

India and Russia have started discussing to upgrade aircraft with added characteristics of fifth-generation aircraft to convert it into a “Super Sukhoi”. India plans to start upgrading Sukhoi in Phase wise to Super Sukhoi Standard by 2020 and in first phase first 80 aircrafts delivered to Indian air force will be selected for such upgrades.

While aircraft remains Potent platform in the region, the technology used on the aircraft was frozen almost 15 years ago and software too is wearing out too fast due to advancement in aircraft technology and avionics.

Super Sukhoi Standard will introduce Modern Aesa radar and latest technology in the modern Avionics in the cockpit for pilots. upgraded Super Sukhoi would also lead changes to several structural elements which will bring in advanced stealth characteristics in the aircraft. Aircraft will come with new weapons systems developed for FGFA and other Indigenous Weapons systems been developed in India.

Plans are to bring Sukhoi’s close to FGFA in terms of Capabilities. India and Russia have still not finalised technical aspect of the upgrades planned yet, but talks are in the advanced stage with Irkut Corporation and other Russian authorities.

India and Russia are also working on increasing operational availability of the aircraft by streamlining supply chain of spares and delivery mechanism. Russians are already working on minor modification fix for AL-31 engines which power Su-30 family to remove certain issues highlighted by Indian partner HAL and Indian air force. it has been confirmed that under Super Sukhoi Standard Su-30s will not be getting new engines but rather an improved one with an enhanced performance.

With 5G jet features, India Talks about Super Sukhoi with Russia | idrw.org
 
Any idea which AESA under "super" Sukhoi ?
Zhuk AE in all probability.
Here is an old article (2013), that gives an insight.

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India is perhaps the largest export customer of Russia’s leading radar design house Phazotron-NIIR. General Designer Yuri Guskov told Russia & CIS Observer about the corporation’s on-going Indian contracts and new development programs.

— What programs for India is Phazotron-NIIR currently working on?

— There are two major on-going programs for Indian customers. One of them is to design and deliver MiG-29K/KUB carrier-borne fighters fitted with the FGM-129 variant of our Zhuk-ME radar. These aircraft performed successfully in trial landings on INS Vikramaditya last summer, but so far the Indian Navy is operating them from airfields in the state of Goa. As part of after-sales support for our radars we pay great attention to any criticisms and requests made by the Indian customer.

Deliveries of an additional batch of these fighters have begun to India; four aircraft have been handed over so far. The next two airframes will be used to coach Indian pilots in arrested landings at the NITKA land-based carrier trainer in Yeysk, Russia.

Our other program is to upgrade Indian Air Force MiG-29 fighters with the Zhuk-ME radar. A total of 55 single-seat and eight twin-seat aircraft of this type will be upgraded this way. In the course of the program we work to meet a number of additional requirements set by the project team. These include preferences related to identification of target classes and types, to the radar library, etc.

Under the terms of the contract, four single-seat and two twin-seat fighters have undergone tests at the Russian Air Force base in Akhtubinsk under the supervision of the project team. Based on the results of the tests, a preliminary decision was made to permit series production of the upgraded aircraft. A final production decision is expected to follow by the end of this year.

Two single-seaters and one twin-seater from the test batch, all equipped with the new Zhuk-ME radar, have already been delivered to India and will be formally handed over in late January. These aircraft were test-flown in Russia by an Indian pilot, who had to test about 50 different radar operating modes in the course of a single sortie. There were some criticisms of the radar but we have fixed these issues by now.

The other two single-seaters and one twin-seater from the trial batch remain in Russia to be brought up to India’s additional requirements. They should be delivered to the customer in March 2013. Six upgrade kits including our radars and other systems were sent to India last December to be installed on IAF fighters at the Nasik repair facility.

Also last year Phazotron-NIIR offered India to sign an agreement to jointly develop an active electronically-scanned array (AESA) radar. We held a presentation of AESA radars and our Indian counterparts got interested in the possibility of using such a solution on their future MCA military transport aircraft.

— Will your proposed solution be based on the Zhuk-AE radar?

— The Zhuk-AE AESA radar, which we proposed as part of Russia’s bid in the Indian MMRCA tender in 2010, is a production item. This means there would be no critical issues that could affect series production. We are currently designing an all-new 3D AESA radar but we need another 1.5 to two years before we can launch its series production. The problem is not creating the 3D transmit/receive modules [TRM], which we already have. At the moment we are focusing our efforts on making all components located behind the array, i.e. the power sources, the steering devices, and so on, as thin and compact as the array itself.

Phazotron-NIIR is working to design a 3D AESA radar for a future unmanned aerial vehicle. Kamov, on the other hand, would like to install a similar radar on its Ka-52 helicopter.

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— How expensive will the new radar be to buy and operate?


— Designers of 3D AESA radars aim to bring the price down to a level comparable to that of a radar with a traditional mechanically-scanned array. So far AESA radars remain about 30% more expensive; our goal is to further narrow this gap to 8-10%. The bulk of the price is the cost of monolithic integrated circuits which are used in the TRMs. If purchased abroad they hike the price of a single TRM to between $800 and $1,000. We are planning to launch domestic production of such circuits, thus reducing the TRM price to about $400 to $500 apiece.

I am also getting better at convincing people that an AESA is cheaper to operate than a mechanically-scanned array because it is thrice as reliable. You require fewer spare parts so your aircraft grow more mobile because you no longer need to move large SPTA stocks when relocating from one air base to another. The service life of the TRMs is comparable to that of the airframe. Our goal is to bring the reliability of all radar components up to the same high level.

— What are your plans for the Zhuk-AE radar?

— We continue to improve the Zhuk-AE; Phazotron-NIIR is partially financing the manufacture of a full-scale array but we would also like to receive some funding from customers to complete this work.

Indian specialists liked the Zhuk-AE radar installed on the Russian MiG-35 fighter proposed for the MMRCA tender. I am bringing to Aero India several presentations for the Indian military and defense companies. It says in these presentations that the Zhuk-AE will be totally interchangeable with the mechanically-scanned Zhuk-ME model. In Bangalore I am planning to suggest to IAF representatives that we upgrade the last two of their MiG-29 fighters with our AESA radar, to demonstrate that the airframe would not require any alterations at all.

— Would the Russian Air Force like to get this radar?

— Our military would like to have two fighter types, including the AESA-equipped MiG-35 medium fighter. But the industry keeps insisting that this type should be delivered with the Zhuk-M radar.

What the industry wants is fast orders, so if we are talking about the 2013 [state defense] order for example then of course these aircraft should have the tried-and-tested Zhuk-M radar installed. Nevertheless we must still continue to improve EASA technology, build two Zhuk-A-equipped fighters and send them for trials. After the testing is completed in late 2014 we could launch production of AESA-equipped fighters. This would be the most rational solution, but a final decision has not been made yet.

— What other programs is Phazotron-NIIR pursuing at the moment?

— We are working on several helicopter programs, including on the Ka-52 gunship which is currently fitted with the mechanically-scanned Arbalet millimetre-wave radar. More than 30 such helicopters have been delivered to the Russian Air Force to date. In the future the Ka-52 could also be used as a ship-based reconnaissance asset, so we are now considering additionally fitting it with a 3 cm-waveband AESA radar, which has a greater range than its current radar. The helicopter could use the centimetre radar during operations at sea and switch to the millimeter radar during support missions over land.

You are certainly aware that tests of the upgraded Kamov Ka-27M helicopter with our Kopye-A radar are progressing successfully. The official trials should be completed in May.

Our other development is the Arbalet-D missile approach warning radar. It was initially intended for the Mil Mi-26 helicopter, then it was installed on the Ka-52, and now the Russian Navy is testing a pyramidal multi-array installation based on this radar. The Arbalet-D takes just one to two seconds to provide comprehensive situational awareness for a surface ship complete with target designation, mainly for artillery systems.

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Several structural changes term looks promising.

I believe changes in frontal stealth, intakes and more stealth features from PAKFA program will be integrated to the airplane and mass produced for us.
 
Several structural changes term looks promising.

I believe changes in frontal stealth, intakes and more stealth features from PAKFA program will be integrated to the airplane and mass produced for us.

Investing on structural changes to get a stealthier platform wont be wise. The Su-30 is a MASSIVE airplane with HUGE RCS, it will take essentially a new design to bring the RCS down considerably. Secondly with weapons hanging out there on the wings, the design change wont help much either. Applying such things to smaller air planes which already have low RCS is understandable however for Su-30 it is not ideal. Instead if it can get a better radar active jammer or some EW suite to help in this regard, that will be ideal for IAF.

To ALL members, Please avoid trolling and also there is NO NEED to reply to a troll post, simply report it. You guys are just destroying the thread. Please refrains from attempts to derail the thread AND from replying any such posts as then the garbage will live in your quote even after it is deleted!
 
Investing on structural changes to get a stealthier platform wont be wise. The Su-30 is a MASSIVE airplane with HUGE RCS, it will take essentially a new design to bring the RCS down considerably. Secondly with weapons hanging out there on the wings, the design change wont help much either. Applying such things to smaller air planes which already have low RCS is understandable however for Su-30 it is not ideal. Instead if it can get a better radar active jammer or some EW suite to help in this regard, that will be ideal for IAF.
you guessed it right in the last part super sukhoi upgrade means latest version of improoved AL-41 engines + AESA based Radar and EW suite and new genration self protection jammers and a new cockpit layowt + an extra auxilarry power unit :)
 
you guessed it right in the last part super sukhoi upgrade means latest version of improoved AL-41 engines + AESA based Radar and EW suite and new genration self protection jammers and a new cockpit layowt + an extra auxilarry power unit :)
that should be it!! Structural changes will cost a lot and will not return good value for the money spend. Better make these ELECTRONICALLY INVISIBLE
 
that should be it!! Structural changes will cost a lot and will not return good value for the money spend. Better make these ELECTRONICALLY INVISIBLE
just on a side note do you realli think any structural change on MKI platform can make it stealthy ?.... i dont think so and plasma stealth is still just a "idea" but a sukhoi Mki with a big a$$ AESA radar, EW suite and self protection jammers and better and more realiable engines is much much more leathel than anything accept FGFA or F22 in the world
 
I dis agree with the argument that a large plane cant reduce RCS or reduce signature.

The USA have turned both the F15 eagle and F18 super hornets in semi stealth fighters by introducing

internal weapons bays
RAM COATING
structrual changes.

IF ANYTHING is the small planes that carry internal weapons

Russia india & China will follow the USA road map for F15 silent eagle

Boeing F-15SE Silent Eagle - Airforce Technology

Armed with 5G jet features, Super Sukhoi on the way... | Russia & India Report

The Super Sukhoi programme has been on discussion for over 4 years already

AS pak fa developes I suspect some of the 5th gen technology beong added to the formidable SU30MKI
 
just on a side note do you realli think any structural change on MKI platform can make it stealthy ?.... i dont think so and plasma stealth is still just a "idea" but
StelthY... not STEALTH! :)

a sukhoi Mki with a big a$$ AESA radar, EW suite and self protection jammers and better and more realiable engines is much much more leathel than anything accept FGFA or F22 in the world

So the third best fighter position changes again!!!
:lol:
Well it is better i don't speak about it,, do not want to bring into your notice the FAST CHANGING best fighter jet ratings in India based on even rumors associated with IAF procurements. :partay: so Chup he balhi :P
 
StelthY... not STEALTH! :)



So the third best fighter position changes again!!!
:lol:
Well it is better i don't speak about it,, do not want to bring into your notice the FAST CHANGING best fighter jet ratings in India based on even rumors associated with IAF procurements. :partay: so Chup he balhi :P
:o: :o:

in 1990s i sold 386 , 486 computers for 86K INR now the latest desktops which are 10K times faster then them retail for 24K

so the bar of ecelence in latest technology keeps changing with times like once F16s were king of the ring but today its Raptor so i hunballi ask whats your point sirji ?
 
:o: :o:

in 1990s i sold 386 , 486 computers for 86K INR now the latest desktops which are 10K times faster then them retail for 24K

so the bar of ecelence in latest technology keeps changing with times like once F16s were king of the ring but today its Raptor so i hunballi ask whats your point sirji ?
Sure, but will you call the systems you bought in 90s as THE best computers for today, then moving back to current technology only to move back to that same one again and that back :lol: you wont, ANY sensible person wont!! it is a case of " what i have is superior and it can change everyday depending on what i do have"
This have been the case,
Anyway, lets not get into those details. lets see what comes of this Su-30 up gradation for now. :) :tup:
 
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