Why they deny the Holocaust

[El Sidd]

How is this relevant to the forum section?

Look at Me i dont have foreskin. Give me attention.

@Solomon2 Dude you gotta knack for stirring up unwanted shit you know that right

 

[war&peace]

Are you kidding me? It's MY grandparents, aunts, uncles, and cousins who are dead and ash!

Are you sure it really happened?

 

[El Sidd]

Are you kidding me? It's MY grandparents, aunts, uncles, and cousins who are dead and ash!

I am Sorry for your loss but why cant you Stop spreading Fassad?

Man a war breaks out. You are colateral damage everywhere. Why is that? You should get in Order first.

I did Not tell you to kill Jesus. Nor any Pakistani was remotely ever involved in the Holocaust. Muslims of the Sub continent were being used as Cannon fodder which ironically ended up you occupying Land which you do now.

Why the **** why do you want attention now?

 

[imadul]

There is bigotry from all sides. But Jews are hated, that's a fact. But practically Does it matter. Israel prospering with full US and EU support, Muslims have zero weight in the business of politics, so whatever they say or believe does not really count.
You also need to calibrate your question,
what Muslims say about holocaust is bigger questions of what Muslims think about Jews in general. Occupation of Pakestenian land, making Gaza a big prison. So Muslims do like what Hitler did to them, which is a wrong psychi to be honest.
But why so sensitive??

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Why they deny the Holocaust

By BY AYAAN HIRSI ALI
| AYAAN HIRSI ALI, A SOMALI IMMIGRANT WHO SERVED IN THE PARLIAMENT OF THE NETHERLANDS UNTIL EARLIER THIS YEAR, IS THE AUTHOR OF "INFIDEL," AN AUTOBIOGRAPHY TO BE PUBLISHED IN FEBRUARY. |
DEC 16, 2006| 12:00 AM

ONE DAY IN 1994, when I was living in Ede, a small town in Holland, I got a visit from my half-sister. She and I were both immigrants from Somalia and had both applied for asylum in Holland. I was granted it; she was denied. The fact that I got asylum gave me the opportunity to study. My half-sister couldn't.

In order for me to be admitted to the university I wanted to attend, I needed to pass three courses: a language course, a civics course and a history course. It was in the preparatory history course that I, for the first time, heard of the Holocaust. I was 24 years old at that time, and my half-sister was 21.

In those days, the daily news was filled with the Rwandan genocide and ethnic cleansing in the former Yugoslavia. On the day that my half-sister visited me, my head was reeling from what happened to 6 million Jews in Germany, Holland, France and Eastern Europe.

I learned that innocent men, women and children were separated from each other. Stars pinned to their shoulders, transported by train to camps, they were gassed for no other reason than for being Jewish.

I saw pictures of masses of skeletons, even of kids. I heard horrifying accounts of some of the people who had survived the terror of Auschwitz and Sobibor. I told my half-sister all this and showed her the pictures in my history book. What she said was as awful as the information in my book.

With great conviction, my half-sister cried: "It's a lie! Jews have a way of blinding people. They were not killed, gassed or massacred. But I pray to Allah that one day all the Jews in the world will be destroyed."

She was not saying anything new. As a child growing up in Saudi Arabia, I remember my teachers, my mom and our neighbors telling us practically on a daily basis that Jews are evil, the sworn enemies of Muslims, and that their only goal was to destroy Islam. We were never informed about the Holocaust.

Later, as a teenager in Kenya, when Saudi and other Persian Gulf philanthropy reached us, I remember that the building of mosques and donations to hospitals and the poor went hand in hand with the cursing of Jews. Jews were said to be responsible for the deaths of babies and for epidemics such as AIDS, and they were believed to be the cause of wars. They were greedy and would do absolutely anything to kill us Muslims. If we ever wanted to know peace and stability, and if we didn't want to be wiped out, we would have to destroy the Jews. For those of us who were not in a position to take up arms against them, it was enough for us to cup our hands, raise our eyes heavenward and pray to Allah to destroy them.

Western leaders today who say they are shocked by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's conference this week denying the Holocaust need to wake up to that reality. For the majority of Muslims in the world, the Holocaust is not a major historical event that they deny. We simply do not know it ever happened because we were never informed of it.

The total number of Jews in the world today is estimated to be about 15 million, certainly no more than 20 million. On the other hand, the world's Muslim population is estimated to be between 1.2 billion and 1.5 billion. And not only is this population rapidly growing, it is also very young.

What's striking about Ahmadinejad's conference is the (silent) acquiescence of mainstream Muslims. I cannot help but wonder: Why is there no counter-conference in Riyadh, Cairo, Lahore, Khartoum or Jakarta condemning Ahmadinejad? Why are the 57 members of the Organization of the Islamic Conference silent on this?

Could the answer be as simple as it is horrifying: For generations, the leaders of these so-called Muslim countries have been spoon-feeding their populations a constant diet of propaganda similar to the one that generations of Germans (and other Europeans) were fed — that Jews are vermin and should be dealt with as such? In Europe, the logical conclusion was the Holocaust. If Ahmadinejad has his way, he shall not want for compliant Muslims ready to act on his wish.

The world needs to be informed again and again about the Holocaust — not only in the interest of the Jews who survived and their offspring but in the interest of humanity.

ayan hirsi ali is a well known anti islam and a ex muslim as she says...there is no place for her in this forum...

The onus of prove is upon yr jewish kind abt this mythical event. World DOES NOT believe it happened. There is no authentic and independent study nor any PhD offered on this subject through which we can see things from every angle.

 

[Daghalodi]

Interesting!!!

Muslims are not taught about the holocaust. We should learn about the holocaust, how and why did it start? Why was hitler against the jews and hated them so much.

Why did jews declare war over Germany before world war 2

https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/questions/jew-war.shtml


What were the jews doing when Hitler was taking over Germany.

Truth about Auschwitz gas chambers, what is zyklon b? How and what purpose was this drug used? Did germans really gas jews with zyklon b?

Truth about Treblinka gas chambers, gassed and bodies burned is all hoax and cooked up stories about human soap

Truth about Majdanek gas chambers which is also a myth.

Even the number 6 million jews killed in Holocaust is contested and doubtful

Finally why is it a crime to speak against the holocaust??

Every muslim should learn about it.

 

[Imad.Khan]

Why they deny the Holocaust

By BY AYAAN HIRSI ALI
| AYAAN HIRSI ALI, A SOMALI IMMIGRANT WHO SERVED IN THE PARLIAMENT OF THE NETHERLANDS UNTIL EARLIER THIS YEAR, IS THE AUTHOR OF "INFIDEL," AN AUTOBIOGRAPHY TO BE PUBLISHED IN FEBRUARY. |
DEC 16, 2006| 12:00 AM

ONE DAY IN 1994, when I was living in Ede, a small town in Holland, I got a visit from my half-sister. She and I were both immigrants from Somalia and had both applied for asylum in Holland. I was granted it; she was denied. The fact that I got asylum gave me the opportunity to study. My half-sister couldn't.

In order for me to be admitted to the university I wanted to attend, I needed to pass three courses: a language course, a civics course and a history course. It was in the preparatory history course that I, for the first time, heard of the Holocaust. I was 24 years old at that time, and my half-sister was 21.

In those days, the daily news was filled with the Rwandan genocide and ethnic cleansing in the former Yugoslavia. On the day that my half-sister visited me, my head was reeling from what happened to 6 million Jews in Germany, Holland, France and Eastern Europe.

I learned that innocent men, women and children were separated from each other. Stars pinned to their shoulders, transported by train to camps, they were gassed for no other reason than for being Jewish.

I saw pictures of masses of skeletons, even of kids. I heard horrifying accounts of some of the people who had survived the terror of Auschwitz and Sobibor. I told my half-sister all this and showed her the pictures in my history book. What she said was as awful as the information in my book.

With great conviction, my half-sister cried: "It's a lie! Jews have a way of blinding people. They were not killed, gassed or massacred. But I pray to Allah that one day all the Jews in the world will be destroyed."

She was not saying anything new. As a child growing up in Saudi Arabia, I remember my teachers, my mom and our neighbors telling us practically on a daily basis that Jews are evil, the sworn enemies of Muslims, and that their only goal was to destroy Islam. We were never informed about the Holocaust.

Later, as a teenager in Kenya, when Saudi and other Persian Gulf philanthropy reached us, I remember that the building of mosques and donations to hospitals and the poor went hand in hand with the cursing of Jews. Jews were said to be responsible for the deaths of babies and for epidemics such as AIDS, and they were believed to be the cause of wars. They were greedy and would do absolutely anything to kill us Muslims. If we ever wanted to know peace and stability, and if we didn't want to be wiped out, we would have to destroy the Jews. For those of us who were not in a position to take up arms against them, it was enough for us to cup our hands, raise our eyes heavenward and pray to Allah to destroy them.

Western leaders today who say they are shocked by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's conference this week denying the Holocaust need to wake up to that reality. For the majority of Muslims in the world, the Holocaust is not a major historical event that they deny. We simply do not know it ever happened because we were never informed of it.

The total number of Jews in the world today is estimated to be about 15 million, certainly no more than 20 million. On the other hand, the world's Muslim population is estimated to be between 1.2 billion and 1.5 billion. And not only is this population rapidly growing, it is also very young.

What's striking about Ahmadinejad's conference is the (silent) acquiescence of mainstream Muslims. I cannot help but wonder: Why is there no counter-conference in Riyadh, Cairo, Lahore, Khartoum or Jakarta condemning Ahmadinejad? Why are the 57 members of the Organization of the Islamic Conference silent on this?

Could the answer be as simple as it is horrifying: For generations, the leaders of these so-called Muslim countries have been spoon-feeding their populations a constant diet of propaganda similar to the one that generations of Germans (and other Europeans) were fed — that Jews are vermin and should be dealt with as such? In Europe, the logical conclusion was the Holocaust. If Ahmadinejad has his way, he shall not want for compliant Muslims ready to act on his wish.

The world needs to be informed again and again about the Holocaust — not only in the interest of the Jews who survived and their offspring but in the interest of humanity.

Why post this thread on Pakistani political section?

@WebMaster @Horus @waz please move this thread to its proper location.

 

[YeBeWarned]

is this article from the same women who left Islam, claims Islam is the only Violent religion , Quran is written by a man , Christianity and Judaism's followers never killed anyone in the name of their religion ? i'll pass

 

[HAIDER]

Are you kidding me? It's MY grandparents, aunts, uncles, and cousins who are dead and ash!

We have sympathy for unjustified killing. But, European are the one who put you guys in this situation and Palastinian paying the price for nothing. We discuss some other time , why Jews easily get along with Muslims then Christians and you leaders accept that behind close doors.

 

[Clutch]

Why they deny the Holocaust

By BY AYAAN HIRSI ALI
| AYAAN HIRSI ALI, A SOMALI IMMIGRANT WHO SERVED IN THE PARLIAMENT OF THE NETHERLANDS UNTIL EARLIER THIS YEAR, IS THE AUTHOR OF "INFIDEL," AN AUTOBIOGRAPHY TO BE PUBLISHED IN FEBRUARY. |
DEC 16, 2006| 12:00 AM

ONE DAY IN 1994, when I was living in Ede, a small town in Holland, I got a visit from my half-sister. She and I were both immigrants from Somalia and had both applied for asylum in Holland. I was granted it; she was denied. The fact that I got asylum gave me the opportunity to study. My half-sister couldn't.

In order for me to be admitted to the university I wanted to attend, I needed to pass three courses: a language course, a civics course and a history course. It was in the preparatory history course that I, for the first time, heard of the Holocaust. I was 24 years old at that time, and my half-sister was 21.

In those days, the daily news was filled with the Rwandan genocide and ethnic cleansing in the former Yugoslavia. On the day that my half-sister visited me, my head was reeling from what happened to 6 million Jews in Germany, Holland, France and Eastern Europe.

I learned that innocent men, women and children were separated from each other. Stars pinned to their shoulders, transported by train to camps, they were gassed for no other reason than for being Jewish.

I saw pictures of masses of skeletons, even of kids. I heard horrifying accounts of some of the people who had survived the terror of Auschwitz and Sobibor. I told my half-sister all this and showed her the pictures in my history book. What she said was as awful as the information in my book.

With great conviction, my half-sister cried: "It's a lie! Jews have a way of blinding people. They were not killed, gassed or massacred. But I pray to Allah that one day all the Jews in the world will be destroyed."

She was not saying anything new. As a child growing up in Saudi Arabia, I remember my teachers, my mom and our neighbors telling us practically on a daily basis that Jews are evil, the sworn enemies of Muslims, and that their only goal was to destroy Islam. We were never informed about the Holocaust.

Later, as a teenager in Kenya, when Saudi and other Persian Gulf philanthropy reached us, I remember that the building of mosques and donations to hospitals and the poor went hand in hand with the cursing of Jews. Jews were said to be responsible for the deaths of babies and for epidemics such as AIDS, and they were believed to be the cause of wars. They were greedy and would do absolutely anything to kill us Muslims. If we ever wanted to know peace and stability, and if we didn't want to be wiped out, we would have to destroy the Jews. For those of us who were not in a position to take up arms against them, it was enough for us to cup our hands, raise our eyes heavenward and pray to Allah to destroy them.

Western leaders today who say they are shocked by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's conference this week denying the Holocaust need to wake up to that reality. For the majority of Muslims in the world, the Holocaust is not a major historical event that they deny. We simply do not know it ever happened because we were never informed of it.

The total number of Jews in the world today is estimated to be about 15 million, certainly no more than 20 million. On the other hand, the world's Muslim population is estimated to be between 1.2 billion and 1.5 billion. And not only is this population rapidly growing, it is also very young.

What's striking about Ahmadinejad's conference is the (silent) acquiescence of mainstream Muslims. I cannot help but wonder: Why is there no counter-conference in Riyadh, Cairo, Lahore, Khartoum or Jakarta condemning Ahmadinejad? Why are the 57 members of the Organization of the Islamic Conference silent on this?

Could the answer be as simple as it is horrifying: For generations, the leaders of these so-called Muslim countries have been spoon-feeding their populations a constant diet of propaganda similar to the one that generations of Germans (and other Europeans) were fed — that Jews are vermin and should be dealt with as such? In Europe, the logical conclusion was the Holocaust. If Ahmadinejad has his way, he shall not want for compliant Muslims ready to act on his wish.

The world needs to be informed again and again about the Holocaust — not only in the interest of the Jews who survived and their offspring but in the interest of humanity.

Wrong section.... This is pakistani siasat. Please move it to the Palestinian Holocaust Section.

 

[MultaniGuy]

About Ayaan hirsi ali:
Ayaan hirsi ali deliberately slanders Islam and Muslims. Why should we listen to her?

About the holocaust:
The Holocaust did happen. Those who deny the Holocaust are stupid. Many innocent people were killed in the Holocaust. As Muslims we must condemn the Holocaust and be on the right side of history.

 

[inder]

If you want an answer... Then try to find "Why palestinians are denied from their lands and rights?"

Enjoy... You gonna get suprised...

 

[I.R.A]

What's striking about Ahmadinejad's conference is the (silent) acquiescence of mainstream Muslims. I cannot help but wonder: Why is there no counter-conference in Riyadh, Cairo, Lahore, Khartoum or Jakarta condemning Ahmadinejad? Why are the 57 members of the Organization of the Islamic Conference silent on this?

If stories of Holocaust are true and should be regarded credible then Muslims saving Jews during those days are equally credible and should be part of Holocaust history taught to likes of Miss Hariri. Credit for that has long been due, recognition for that has never been given ....... instead Muslims were evicted from their settled lands and are persecuted and their children killed today by the ones who they saved once.

If you think tolerance of intolerance is cowardice, then you must accept, speaking and propagating half history, and asking one set of people to accept your version, is not even close to being rational, fair, neutral and your version and understanding can never be called facts and truth, you should have had enough courage to acknowledge and mention Muslims' savior role. It wasn't Muslims killing them, so don't ask them for their apologies. I know its a fashion but still ....... please at least work on how to look credible.


P.S: Its not Islam's problem that your clitoris was removed and your vagina was sewed, it was your culture and tradition. Don't blame that on Islam.

that Jews are vermin and should be dealt with as such?

Introspect. Why someone would call another people vermin. Hate doesn't get born out of thin air just for the sake of it.

And its a bilateral affair, don't try to pin it on one party only.

The world needs to be informed again and again about the Holocaust — not only in the interest of the Jews who survived and their offspring but in the interest of humanity.

Humanity doesn't stop at being Jew ....... instead of whining about century old stories, I would like to see Miss Hariri's views on current day genocides, killings and destruction of infrastructure.

 

[WAJsal]

Do not make deliberate posts in the wrong section to instigate trolling.