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Why the Indian Air Force has a high crash rate

Never seen such a big pile of stinking indian shit before! to hide IAF's incompetence the sole focus is on lies about indo-Pak wars



Rakesh Krishnan Simha
In the backdrop of the sixth Sukhoi crash in six years, here’s a look at some factors that contribute to the IAF’s high crash rate.
More than 200 Sukhoi Flankers currently form the core of the Indian Air Force’s strike element, for a planned force of over 272 Su-30 fighter-bombers. India received the initial batch of Sukhois in 2002. The first of these aircraft crashed in 2009, and since then five more have crashed.

Now let’s look at the Sukhois in other air forces.

The People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) has 150 Flankers of Russian origin and 229 Chinese knockoffs. That’s a total of 379 aircraft, for an eventual figure of 400 Russian made Flankers, derivatives and illegal copies. And yet the PLAAF has lost fewer Sukhoi in crashes. Are the Chinese Sukhois better maintained, better built or are Chinese pilots simply playing it safe? More on that in a moment.

The Russian Air Force has a total of 438 Flankers. Again, the Russian Sukhois don’t tumble out of the air at a rate close to the IAF’s. Similarly, there have been no reports of Flankers of the Vietnamese and Indonesian air forces being involved in crashes.

Why the Flanker force matters
The IAF calls the Su-30 its “air dominance” fighter for a good reason. The arrival of the Sukhoi has decisively tilted the balance of power in favour of the IAF in the region. The Flanker’s super-maneuverability, its armoury of advanced beyond visual range missiles and extraordinary range of 3000 km (extendable to 8000 km with aerial refuelling) are aspects that make it the wolf of the skies.

The Su-30 is also equipped with synthetic aperture radar (SAR), which gives it greater long-range reconnaissance capabilities. Armed with the SAR pod, the IAF Sukhois are known to engage in aggressive patrols along the China-India and India-Pakistan borders.

Considering the Flanker’s hunter killer reputation, anyone who questions its capability is clearly living under a rock.

So what explains the loss of six IAF Flankers in crashes? Let’s go into the various probable causes and also dissect the theories floating out there.
Crash No.1: 30 April 2009
The first ever Su-30MKI crashes in the Pokhran region, Rajasthan. The IAF’s Court of Inquiry establishes Wing Commander Vishwas Munje mistakenly switched off the warplane’s fly-by-wire system.

Crash No.2: 30 November 2009
Sukhoi crashes near Jaisalmer, Rajasthan, after a fire warning. An IAF investigation attributes it to accidental ingestion of a foreign object in the engine intake.

Crash No.3: 13 December 2011
Aircraft crashes 20 km from Pune. IAF says the crash is due to a malfunction in the fly-by-wire system.

Crash No.4: 19 February 2013
Aircraft’s right wing explodes over Pokhran, shortly after completing a training mission.

Crash No.5: 14 October 2013
Fly-by-wire system malfunctions yet again and the Sukhoi goes down near Pune. Russian experts blame pilot error but the IAF says the Court of Inquiry is yet to pinpoint exact reason.

Crash No.6: 19 May 2015
Su-30MKI flying from Tezpur in Assam develops a technical snag and the pilot is forced to abandon the aircraft. Cause is yet to be established.

Now that you have a good idea of what exactly happened in those six crashes, let’s look at the possible reasons why jet fighters crash in India.

Possible reason No.1: Intense training
The IAF is one of the few air forces in the world that conduct intense, year-round training. Benjamin Lambeth of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace says the IAF trains for a "high intensity, high stakes" conflict. Keeping in mind the possibility of a two-front war, the IAF puts its pilots and aircraft through the wringer.


Mock air combat can involve hundreds of aircraft flying thousands of kilometres. During such a war game in 2013, Sukhois flew 1800-km bombing missions from Chabua in Assam to the western front, with mid-air refuelling. In fact, IAF pilots are known to lead missions over 10 hours in their Sukhois.

Such training places a great deal of stress on aircraft, pilots and air crews, which means potentially more accidents. But that’s the way the IAF trains for war. In fact, a former air force chief has gone on record that he would rather lose pilots during training than during war.

The strategy has been amply rewarded. In the 1971 War, for instance, the IAF was able to conduct a wide range of missions – troop support; air combat; deep penetration strikes; para-dropping behind enemy lines; feints to draw enemy fighters away from the actual target; bombing; and reconnaissance.

In contrast, the Pakistan Air Force, which was solely focused on air combat, was blown out of the subcontinent’s skies within the first week of the war. Those PAF aircraft that survived took refuge at Iranian air bases or in concrete bunkers, refusing to offer a fight.

Similarly, the PLAAF has nearly 2,000 planes, but only a fraction of the peace-time accident rate. According to Foreign Policy, this suggests Chinese pilots are not spending sufficient time in the air or training under pressure. “(Chinese) pilots are neither trusted nor properly trained. Drills are regimented, centrally controlled, and divorced from realistic combat conditions.”
A PLAAF fighter pilot would most likely be reprimanded if he deviated from the flight plan set by his commanders. Losing a plane would be cause enough for a court martial.

Thankfully, the IAF does not believe in having robots but values superior training and innovativeness. IAF pilots have truly internalised what Sergei Dolgushin, a Russian Air Force ace with 24 victories in WWII, said is a prerequisite to be a successful fighter pilot: “A love of hunting, a great desire to be the top dog”.

Possible reason No.2: Harsh environment

Harsh is normal in India. Tropical India is an unforgiving environment for any aircraft. The hot air means aircraft engines produce less thrust and the wing produce less lift compared to similar aircraft flying in European skies. Sun baked runways are also known to impact landing safety. These are factors IAF pilots have to live with.

Bird hits are another huge factor in aircraft accidents over India. The IAF attributes around 10 per cent of accidents to bird hits. Most IAF bases are located near populated areas, where birds are a constant menace.

The situation has got so dire that the IAF last year issued global bids to four companies for 45 bird detection and monitoring radar systems to be installed at airports and air bases across India.

Possible reason No.3: Missing trainers

According to figures released by the Ministry of Defence in March 2013, the IAF was losing the equivalent of one fighter squadron (approximately 18 fighters) in accidents every two years. This was primarily because of the lack of adequate number of trainers.
Rookie fighter pilots begin on basic trainers, then move on to intermediate jet trainers (IJTs) before finally graduating to advanced jet trainers (AJTs). These three stages are critical elements of fighter pilot training and any shortcuts will certainly lead to disaster.
But what was happening was that in the absence of an AJT, rookie pilots were moving straight from the IJT to frontline warplanes such as the MiG-21. The upshot – young pilots died at an alarming rate.
With the induction of the Swiss Pilatus basic trainer and Hawk AJT from Britain, the crashes have come down – but not stopped.

Possible reason No.4: Shoddy maintenance

India is notorious for its ‘chalta hai’ or ‘it’ll be alright’ attitude. In this backdrop, shoddy maintenance could well be a factor. Although the IAF is known for its high standards, those standards are largely of its pilots; maintenance crews may not share that quality. Of late, there have been a number of incidents reported widely in the media about IAF ground crew involved in all sorts of serious crimes. The IAF should look at establishing an elite division of ground crews to service its high-end aircraft.

Possible reason No.5: Depleted air force

The IAF’s fleet strength is currently down to 34 squadrons or around 600 warplanes. The sanctioned number is 42 squadrons. In a country as vast as India, with multiple threats, such depletion in fighter aircraft means fewer aircraft have to perform more missions to get the same job done. It also means less down time in maintenance hangars. This is where India quickly needs to induct more locally built Tejas interceptors and more locally assembled Su-30s.

Silver lining
The good news is that aircraft crashes in the IAF have shown a declining trend over the last three years. From a high of 30 in fiscal 2011-12, they declined to six in 2012-13 and an equal number in 2013-14.
The IAF is now looking to improve overall fleet serviceability. The air force recently told a parliamentary committee that fleet-wide serviceability stood at 60-65 per cent, but could be increased to 77-80 per cent, provided spares were made available.

During a visit to Bangalore in December, IAF chief ACM Arup Raha said: “Budgets remain a constraint, especially the revenue budget, to maintain spares for the aircraft to maintain high operational readiness.”

While the IAF is clearly doing its best under the circumstances, it needs to do better. Bringing the crash rate down to US or European air force levels should be the goal. Losing a Sukhoi each year is akin to burning Rs 350 crore in cash.

Why the Indian Air Force has a high crash rate | Russia & India Report
 
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Crash an another Thunder..or a Mirage III
Thunder Na ,Mirages you can say 40 year Old Platform I wonder where are your 40 year old platform .Sorry I forgot all were crashed.
 
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Same US Air force who Was Routed Twice In Cope India Exercises

Do you seriously believe that Indian AF is superior to USAF? You are even delusional for an Indian.
 
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Lol very true, did you stop using JFT against Taliban after it get crashed ?

BTW :- even after years of bombing and claiming killing more then 20K Taliban still PA not able to get into that area ? this is called delusional news.

After Hercules crash its came to know how much India do the training , low flight , compact flight formation to make radar fool is part of training.
Be an arsehole like that again, and you will never return to the forum. Stick to INDIAN topics. You are banned from your own section.
 
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Really after Mumbai biggest protests took place and majority called for war
every one gets emotional but what matterrs is how you ustilize your emotions to make it your advantage and make your tormetors pay for there sins

now as for mumbai attacks we notonlicaughtone of the terroist alive but made him ashow peice to the world community and look after that episode no one in international community has any respect or sympathy for pakistan or pakistanies world over specially in USA, UK, Canada & eourope or australia or any devloped nation

war is not the onli way to hurt your enemy try to do thinking about it ;)
 
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Same reasons as chinese have higher rate of road accidents.
 
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hehehe........... why did not your "brave pilots " showed up during entire kargil war? was just once lock on enough to make your brave pilots quake in their boots:lol:
As we knew your pilots were going to crash all your planes any ways
Regards
 
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Same US Air force who Was Routed Twice In Cope India Exercises

India was playing cry baby role so the USAF let IAF fly with BVR AAM and AWACS while USAF F-15 limited its role by flying in circles with only heat seekers and NO AWACS. Do some research before you over dose yourself with lado in celebration. in real combat exercises "which India sucks at" USAF would score 100% kill ratio against IAF.
In handicape role exercise. Even PAF MirageIII have scored simulated kill against USN carrier.

That bcz You have small no of F 16 all big air forces have to face this much attrition rate...Even US suffered atleat 5 jet losses including F 18 and F16s apart from several Helis in 2014.
Their are 2778 pilots in the world who have flown over at least 1,000 hours in F-16. PAF has almost 40 pilots accomplish 1,000 hour goal and some even clocking over 2,000 hours and that done with mere 50 F-16 fleet. So small air force fleet does not mean less flying.

source, f-16.net
 
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it happens. Also it has large airforce. Well I do not care much.:coffee:
 
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That bcz You have small no of F 16 all big air forces have to face this much attrition rate...Even US suffered atleat 5 jet losses including F 18 and F16s apart from several Helis in 2014.


US has thousands of F-16s in its inventory alone.. Comparing IAF crashes (which celebrated their thousandth crash couple of years ago) is ignorance to say the least.

How many aviation crash of PAF in 2015 ?

Come back then I will give you your crash Record for 2014 with source.

Please do ..
 
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US has thousands of F-16s in its inventory alone.. Comparing IAF crashes (which celebrated their thousandth crash couple of years ago) is ignorance to say the least.



Please do ..

Sweat more in peace to bleed less in war. If IAF pushes itself to the limit then a few mis - occurrences happens.
BTW IAF has 6 or less crashes since 2012 - 13. Figure will reduce with induction of more AJTs.

Even USAF / USN suffered many crashes last year.

BTW PAF in an aerial war will struggle to even keep up with sortie rate of IAF let alone fight it's overwhelming air superiority advantage in it's flankers. If I were PAF I would be more worried about that than IAF's internal problems

PAF training aircraft crashes in Swabi - The Express Tribune

Pilot unharmed as PAF Mirage aircraft crashes near Somyani - The Express Tribune

crash of PAF - Google Search

Pakistan Air Force Jet Crash Kills 2

PAF Huey chopper crashes inside military camp in CDO, none hurt | MindaNews

2 PAF pilots die as SF-260 plunges into sea | Headlines, News, The Philippine Star | philstar.com

Business as usual?
 
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Sweat more in peace to bleed less in war. If IAF pushes itself to the limit then a few mis - occurrences happens.
BTW IAF has 6 or less crashes since 2012 - 13. Figure will reduce with induction of more AJTs.

Even USAF / USN suffered many crashes last year.

BTW PAF in an aerial war will struggle to even keep up with sortie rate of IAF let alone fight it's overwhelming air superiority advantage in it's flankers. If I were PAF I would be more worried about that than IAF's internal problems


Oh yeah..Sure BS claims about indian Air Force superiority .. Indian airforces losses in 65 and 71 should be enough to keep you shut;


As for training .. Since the SHITTY article claimed of 71 air war. Here is a reminder (can post more western sources about the losses - if you want)


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Old crashes of 60s relics and an old trainer. ?
Compare that with IAF... Thts embarassin to say the least '




Shit for brains you posted sources of Philipine airforce ..

Sweat more in peace to bleed less in war. If IAF pushes itself to the limit then a few mis - occurrences happens.
BTW IAF has 6 or less crashes since 2012 - 13. Figure will reduce with induction of more AJTs.

Even USAF / USN suffered many crashes last year.

BTW PAF in an aerial war will struggle to even keep up with sortie rate of IAF let alone fight it's overwhelming air superiority advantage in it's flankers. If I were PAF I would be more worried about that than IAF's internal problems

PAF training aircraft crashes in Swabi - The Express Tribune

Pilot unharmed as PAF Mirage aircraft crashes near Somyani - The Express Tribune

crash of PAF - Google Search

Pakistan Air Force Jet Crash Kills 2

PAF Huey chopper crashes inside military camp in CDO, none hurt | MindaNews

2 PAF pilots die as SF-260 plunges into sea | Headlines, News, The Philippine Star | philstar.com

Business as usual?
Meanwhile in india:

Indian Air Force's jet trainer aircraft crashes in Odisha - Indian Air Force's jet trainer aircraft crashes in Odisha | The Economic Times


IAF's Sukhoi SU-30 Jet Crashes in Assam; Pilots Safe

IAF jet aircraft crashes near Similipal, two pilots injured - The Times of India


http://odishasuntimes.com/130915/site-of-iaf-crash-in-odisha-part-of-indias-own-bermuda-triangle/

Su-30MKI: One more IAF crash probe ends sans findings - The Economic Times


The Statesman: IAF trainer jet crashes near West Bengal


Indian Air Force's fighter jet crashes, pilots safe | Shanghai Daily

Indian Air Force's MiG-27 Jet Crashes in West Bengal, 2 People on Ground Killed

Want more ?

1971 indian "air superiority".. 4:1,.. :rofl:


1 SQD (18 old aircrafts - total strength of PAF in East wing) of f-86s in East Pak (most of which was grounded due to sanctions put iaf in its place)..


International sources ..


Air Aces Homepage


Air Aces Homepage


Cry me a river!
 
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