Why the ethnic hate recently?

[ziaulislam]

Stop the terrorism which largely emanates from KPK, cultural toxicity and racism, contribute more to tax and you will see improvements in your condition

Look inwards, there would be no reason for drones if you weren't blowing yourself up in every other area and housing Al Qaeda and other Arab extremists

Even in Punjab recently all you guys do is fight like maniacs with sticks and anything you pick up. There is no sense of civility at all, there's not even a high bar in Pakistan.


"People in KP" that's a nice way to sugar-coat tribal extremists going on a killing spree, exploding themselves in masjids and civillian areas and beheading people...

It's your own actions that made the state so desperate for extreme measures

Irrelevant..

The point is why we should allow foreigners to bomb our own country?
Ghariat is something foreign to Pakistanis



Only Chinese Iranians and indians have that ghariat and will never allow a foreigner to bomb any part of their country

Note that I am not complaining if PAF uses drones against militants but foreigner countries doing it and no one being bothered about it

This is incorrect. PTI came to power in KPK first because PPP and PMLN never had any interest or presence in KPK. ANP and JUI were the main contender. People voted for IK because they wanted change and IK was like Shahid Afridi of today, very beloved due to being a cricketing hero, untested and we wanted change from ANP to test the new guy. PTI formed a coalition government with Molana Fazl ur Rehman.

In 2018, ANP suffered huge losses several of their main charismatic leaders were eliminated(assassinated), it’s like Imran Khan is murdered, PTI would disappear overnight. PTI had no real competition. I remember my friend saying he liked Siraj ul Haq but would vote for IK because he can do things. That was the state of MMA, didn’t get much or any exposure on TV like IK, it simply didn’t have the same organised approach as PTI. IK was doing massive jalsas, several in one day and getting non-stop TV coverage. MMA stood no chance. ANP was the real competition but with their leaders dead, they were knocked out.

Even in next election, KPK belongs to PTI because ANP died with its leaders death. MMA isn’t so organised, heck they are lucky if they get mentioned in a red ticker on TV, many people would be surprised to learn JUI/JI do jalsas regularly. But when IK does a jalsa, it’s 24/7 coverage.

KPK belongs to PTI because there’s no contender. Just as Sindh belongs to PPP because there’s no one else. The real politics happen in Punjab. So IK stance never had any impact, heck KPK is in complete disarray. The street lights used to work before PTI govt, now it’s pitch black dark. The solar panels aren’t hooked up to no batteries lol. But PTI will win comfortably because independents win and they end up joining PTI.

 

[KaiserX]

Irrelevant..

The point is why we should allow foreigners to bomb our own country?
Ghariat is something foreign to Pakistanis



Only Chinese Iranians and indians have that ghariat and will never allow a foreigner to bomb any part of their country

Which foreigners are bombing pakistan? still living in lala land???

The people you claim to be pakistani are bombing pakistan. No one else. The people you claim are pakistani hate pakistan more than they hate india/israel/USA combined. Their level of hatred a simpleton like you cannot even comprehend.

I have interacted with these tribals in the west and in pakistan. They cannot be reasoned with. You cannot stand the fact that many pakistanis are waking up and smelling coffee. Years ago even I would have been in denial, but being in denial for 20 years is only possible for pakistanis. Youll see terrorism will continue and in next 10 years most pakistanis will share my same opinion.

Problems in Punjab/Sindh/Karachi/Kashmir/GB are solvable. Imported govt? hold elections. Economic downturn? implement reforms, etc..

The problems in Waziristan/Balochistan are insolvable simply because of people like you. Unfortunately these tribals are willing to take down the whole country along with them.

 

[villageidiot]

1-you are changing topics and diving in irrelevant stuff.
E.g relevant thing is me telling you pushtoons fought India (your claim that we didn't)
Irrelevant thing: army head wasn't Punjabi

I didn't change topics. You misunderstood me. I never said pushtoons never fought india? I just explained your geography makes you more vulnerable to terrorism emanating from afghanistan and ours makes us more to a conventional war with india. Is it our fault you share a border with afg? No. It is your fault that lahore and sialkot are the first target of india in the event of war? No. Is it our fault india doesn't war with us as much as you face terrorism from afg? No.
We have different challenges. KP has terrorism (bcoz afg). Rural Sindh has water problems (bcoz lower riparian). Balochistan has no human rights (sardars). Karachi has a butt ton of issues (courtest PPP). Sam with south Punjab. How hard it is to understand this concept?

Central punjab is admittedly better off. i am from gujrat district, there are a lot of overseas pakistanis with a lot of wealth. pervez ilahi is from here. politics of this area has an oversized influence on the politics of punjab and hence the center. Now, is it the voter's fault that politicians try to keep this constituency's people happy because it's hotly contested. am i not supposed to vote just so it doesn't ruin the parity with KP's votes and you don't complain how politics of punjab is ruining KP?

2- relevant thing: drones was a non issue for central Punjab people.
Irrelevant rumbling "brass don't decide these things on ethnicity

3- relevant thing: drones were non issue for urban Pakistan outside KP.
Irrelevant mumbling: establishment kills punjabis too.

How is pointing out that ethnicity doesn't have anything to do with estb's and PMLN fuckery irrelevant when your whole point is punjab vs kpk?

Please check your post
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Ask People in KP why they voted PMLN PPPP out they will tell extra judicial killing of Pakistanis(in KP) and banning of wheat to KPK (claiming smuggling grounds)

Ask people of Punjab will you vote PMLN PPPP out if they are bombing Pakistan they will say "who cares .."

You are assuming things on our behalf. Punjabi insafians are just as critical of the recent wave of terrorism. There was not as much awareness back then. Imran khan is the only mainstream politicians consistently against drone strikes. Even the mazlum pashtun nationalists' darling mohsin dawar was shamlessly pro drone strikes. and IK wasn't that big here then. And like I said, each region has different problems and different priorities

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Treat people of KP like people of Lahore and all this racism will disappear.

Who are you addressing? Me and other punjabi citizens or the people in power. Because they don't give two hoots if the people they are kidnapping and selling into cia blacksites are punjabis or pushtoons.

For starter just do two things CONSISTENTLY IN EVRY GOVT.

1- don't ban food transport (unconstitutionally)

2- don't allow foreigners to bomb and kill Pakistani (for money)

You do these two things and will say all issues solved

Agree with both. In fact, food and water (indus) should be in federal control anyway, imo. fk the provinces rights and 18th ammendment BS if they can't see beyond their own narrow interests and prioritize those of the country.

But, don't hold me to it. Because, as you have probably seen. Punjabis don't have any say in this either. If we were the darlings of the estb like we were portrayed, our homes wouldn't have been raided either. A punjabi chowkidar of usman dar wouldn't be tortured and threatened that his wife would be disrobed and video uploaded on facebook. justice nasira iqbal's home wouldn't have been raided at night. they don't give a fk if it's punjabi or pushtoon. unless they are on their side. do they ever pick up baloch sardars like that pig khetran? why not, is he not from among the persecuted baloch? no, because he is on their side. they protect him. the day he turns against them, he is in for it.

 

[ziaulislam]

Which foreigners are bombing pakistan? still living in lala land???

The people you claim to be pakistani are bombing pakistan. No one else. The people you claim are pakistani hate pakistan more than they hate india/israel/USA combined. Their level of hatred a simpleton like you cannot even comprehend.

I have interacted with these tribals in the west and in pakistan. They cannot be reasoned with. You cannot stand the fact that many pakistanis are waking up and smelling coffee. Years ago even I would have been in denial, but being in denial for 20 years is only possible for pakistanis. Youll see terrorism will continue and in next 10 years most pakistanis will share my same opinion.

Problems in Punjab/Sindh/Karachi/Kashmir/GB are solvable. Imported govt? hold elections. Economic downturn? implement reforms, etc..

The problems in Waziristan/Balochistan are insolvable simply because of people like you. Unfortunately these tribals are willing to take down the whole country along with them.

Foreigner whom victims I treated in hospital from 2010-13

You may be in lala land not me..

Thank you for summarizing the problem

This is perfect summarization..calling such a issue as lala land problem

 

[ziaulislam]

Yeah generalization collective punishment that's the name of the game

Since few are bad all are bad

 

[Edevelop]

"Hate" is a strong word but the way I see it, some ethnicities who are not Punjabi are frustrated with Punjab and they have some valid reasons.

Firstly, it was not the partition of Pakistan, but partition of Punjab. Muslims, Sikhs, and Hindus of Punjab were killing each other in 47. The people of KP, Sind and Baluchistan had nothing to do with anything that is modern day part of India and in fact, if Punjab didn't go through a civil war, Kashmir would have been free as well because mainland Hindus of India would have not have had access unless Punjab was united as one. After dividing your own, you can't label it as "Pakistan's war of independence".

Secondly, it is well know that Pakistan Army is getting called out including by Punjabis themselves. But when you are 60% Punjabi and take training and inspiration from British colonialism, the optics from non Punjabi lens is bad and lets not forget that Zia ul Haq was the other extreme, the most hated General this nation has ever produced who was a Punjabi and who created extremists like the Taliban who went on to cause massive destruction in KP and Afghanistan. The rule is don't play with fire. Wherever there is a tribal system, respect it and let their issues be solved by their tribal heads.

Third, Sindhis and Balochis have feudalism. That is a big issue but the last thing you want to do is buy Sardars. As the largest ethnicity, you have the responsibility of playing neutral and not do things like extracting their gas and giving those not picked by you the excuse to label you of stealing it.

Fourtly, while Sindhis, Baluchistan and Pashtuns are proud of their heritage and culture, entertaining and imposing Indian culture, including Indian language is a crime. None other than Lahoris themselves invited Javed Akhatar who we just saw insulted Pakistanis on Pakistani soil and rather than condemn him, the elites of Punjab worshipped and kissed his feet. What message does that send?

Fifth, all the decisions of elections are decided in Punjab. Is that fair?

 

[lastofthepatriots]

This is just liberal cope.

One of the biggest reasons for Pakistan's failure is the constant terrorism and deteriorated security situation which prevents FDI and infrastructural/economic development.

Everyone knows where majority of the perpetrators are from. They also tend to have a victim complex and complain oppression when their terrorism is addressed...

They migrated to other areas and carried their jahil cultural habits with them (as seen in Karachi on several occasions)

You’re living in delusion. Pakistan is fucked because Pakistanis are corrupt and elect thieves. Instead of their country, they think about instant gratification. If institutions weren’t corrupt, these militants wouldn’t have room to breathe.

Remember that tribals had to negotiate for the release of police hostages in SWAT recently. There would be a writ of state if there was an actual fucking state.

This is what happens when you tolerate people in power that have no vested interests in the country.

I can’t believe how stupid and shortsighted Pakistanis are in general. TTP and BLA are symptoms, not the actual problem.

We are all at fault here for allowing these people in power to continue raping Pakistan. You and me.

Stupid Pakees keep insisting on letting the fox into the chicken coop for guard duties and expecting different results. If that’s not insanity, I don’t know what the **** is.

 

[Corruptistan]

"Hate" is a strong word but the way I see it, some ethnicities who are not Punjabi are frustrated with Punjab and they have some valid reasons.

Firstly, it was not the partition of Pakistan, but partition of Punjab. Muslims, Sikhs, and Hindus of Punjab were killing each other in 47. The people of KP, Sind and Baluchistan had nothing to do with anything that is modern day part of India and in fact, if Punjab didn't go through a civil war, Kashmir would have been free as well because mainland Hindus of India would have not have had access unless Punjab was united as one. After dividing your own, you can't label it as "Pakistan's war of independence".

Secondly, it is well know that Pakistan Army is getting called out including by Punjabis themselves. But when you are 60% Punjabi and take training and inspiration from British colonialism, the optics from non Punjabi lens is bad and lets not forget that Zia ul Haq was the other extreme, the most hated General this nation has ever produced who was a Punjabi and who created extremists like the Taliban who went on to cause massive destruction in KP and Afghanistan. The rule is don't play with fire. Wherever there is a tribal system, respect it and let their issues be solved by their tribal heads.

Third, Sindhis and Balochis have feudalism. That is a big issue but the last thing you want to do is buy Sardars. As the largest ethnicity, you have the responsibility of playing neutral and not do things like extracting their gas and giving those not picked by you the excuse to label you of stealing it.

Fourtly, while Sindhis, Baluchistan and Pashtuns are proud of their heritage and culture, entertaining and imposing Indian culture, including Indian language is a crime. None other than Lahoris themselves invited Javed Akhatar who we just saw insulted Pakistanis on Pakistani soil and rather than condemn him, the elites of Punjab worshipped and kissed his feet. What message does that send?

Fifth, all the decisions of elections are decided in Punjab. Is that fair?

Based and brave post in particular the first and last parts of it. Anyway it is natural that the main ethnic group of a country, in this case Punjabis in Pakistan, will either directly or indirectly create the main narratives in the country. The average Pakistani Punjabi is not to be blamed for that. The leaderships and so-called elites are/have always been the main problem. It is the elites in a country that largely shape or make or break a country. The elites in Pakistan have failed massively in doing just that. Hence the current status quo. We will have to see if the younger generation have learned from their parents and grandparents generation. I would claim that a lot have improved among that generation but not sure if it will be enough to truly change Pakistan for the better.

As for the topic itself, the usual suspects are doing it in this very same thread. Again. What was it again about insanity, repeating the same thing, outcome and Einstein again? It seems that those lot missed the script completely. As expected, sadly.

 

[Maula Jatt]

"Hate" is a strong word but the way I see it, some ethnicities who are not Punjabi are frustrated with Punjab and they have some valid reasons.

Firstly, it was not the partition of Pakistan, but partition of Punjab. Muslims, Sikhs, and Hindus of Punjab were killing each other in 47. The people of KP, Sind and Baluchistan had nothing to do with anything that is modern day part of India and in fact, if Punjab didn't go through a civil war, Kashmir would have been free as well because mainland Hindus of India would have not have had access unless Punjab was united as one. After dividing your own, you can't label it as "Pakistan's war of independence".

Secondly, it is well know that Pakistan Army is getting called out including by Punjabis themselves. But when you are 60% Punjabi and take training and inspiration from British colonialism, the optics from non Punjabi lens is bad and lets not forget that Zia ul Haq was the other extreme, the most hated General this nation has ever produced who was a Punjabi and who created extremists like the Taliban who went on to cause massive destruction in KP and Afghanistan. The rule is don't play with fire. Wherever there is a tribal system, respect it and let their issues be solved by their tribal heads.

Third, Sindhis and Balochis have feudalism. That is a big issue but the last thing you want to do is buy Sardars. As the largest ethnicity, you have the responsibility of playing neutral and not do things like extracting their gas and giving those not picked by you the excuse to label you of stealing it.

Fourtly, while Sindhis, Baluchistan and Pashtuns are proud of their heritage and culture, entertaining and imposing Indian culture, including Indian language is a crime. None other than Lahoris themselves invited Javed Akhatar who we just saw insulted Pakistanis on Pakistani soil and rather than condemn him, the elites of Punjab worshipped and kissed his feet. What message does that send?

Fifth, all the decisions of elections are decided in Punjab. Is that fair?

pure central Punjabi culture would be the stereotypical indian culture in terms of how it's presented overseas- just saying

 

[ziaulislam]

"Hate" is a strong word but the way I see it, some ethnicities who are not Punjabi are frustrated with Punjab and they have some valid reasons.

Firstly, it was not the partition of Pakistan, but partition of Punjab. Muslims, Sikhs, and Hindus of Punjab were killing each other in 47. The people of KP, Sind and Baluchistan had nothing to do with anything that is modern day part of India and in fact, if Punjab didn't go through a civil war, Kashmir would have been free as well because mainland Hindus of India would have not have had access unless Punjab was united as one. After dividing your own, you can't label it as "Pakistan's war of independence".

Secondly, it is well know that Pakistan Army is getting called out including by Punjabis themselves. But when you are 60% Punjabi and take training and inspiration from British colonialism, the optics from non Punjabi lens is bad and lets not forget that Zia ul Haq was the other extreme, the most hated General this nation has ever produced who was a Punjabi and who created extremists like the Taliban who went on to cause massive destruction in KP and Afghanistan. The rule is don't play with fire. Wherever there is a tribal system, respect it and let their issues be solved by their tribal heads.

Third, Sindhis and Balochis have feudalism. That is a big issue but the last thing you want to do is buy Sardars. As the largest ethnicity, you have the responsibility of playing neutral and not do things like extracting their gas and giving those not picked by you the excuse to label you of stealing it.

Fourtly, while Sindhis, Baluchistan and Pashtuns are proud of their heritage and culture, entertaining and imposing Indian culture, including Indian language is a crime. None other than Lahoris themselves invited Javed Akhatar who we just saw insulted Pakistanis on Pakistani soil and rather than condemn him, the elites of Punjab worshipped and kissed his feet. What message does that send?

Fifth, all the decisions of elections are decided in Punjab. Is that fair?

Two major issues KP had in last 20 yrs
Were..
1- ignoring terrorism till it got out of control (common you can't expect local police to fight Taliban when Punjab police can't fight dacoits of ranjinpur) letting foreigners bomb it to oblivion..people came out in streets to protest Taliban activity what else do you want them to do???

2-Banning time and again essential commodities imports into Baluchistan and KP..instead why don't you focus on curbing smuggling and increasing production..! ( While depending upon gas and electricity imports from these provinces..)

 

[Maula Jatt]

Two major issues KP had in last 20 yrs
Were..
1- ignoring terrorism till it got out of control (common you can't expect local police to fight Taliban when Punjab police can't fight dacoits of ranjinpur) letting foreigners bomb it to oblivion..people came out in streets to protest Taliban activity what else do you want them to do???

yeh sawaal establishment se phuch naa chaaiye- humaare pay grade say aage ka sawaal hai...., blames of establishment shouldn't be on anyone except them, no one controls em in this country

2-Banning time and again essential commodities imports into Baluchistan and KP..instead why don't you focus on curbing smuggling and increasing production..! ( While depending upon gas and electricity imports from these provinces..)

I didn't realize how big a ch**** ganja league was till I became a youthiya

 

[Edevelop]

Two major issues KP had in last 20 yrs
Were..
1- ignoring terrorism till it got out of control (common you can't expect local police to fight Taliban when Punjab police can't fight dacoits of ranjinpur) letting foreigners bomb it to oblivion..people came out in streets to protest Taliban activity what else do you want them to do???

2-Banning time and again essential commodities imports into Baluchistan and KP..instead why don't you focus on curbing smuggling and increasing production..! ( While depending upon gas and electricity imports from these provinces..)

Agree.

Also I want to put out there that the Southern command of Pakistan army has to be the most corrupt branch. Whoever serves the Chaman border practically controls all the smuggling and black market between Afghanistan and Pakistan. That's how they open Papa John's Pizza chains, open dozens of offshore companies and become international real estate gurus. You saw what Asif Saleem Bajwa did, now watch Ghaffora

 

[ghazi52]

,.,.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Agree.

Also I want to put out there that the Southern command of Pakistan army has to be the most corrupt branch. Whoever serves the Chaman border practically controls all the smuggling and black market between Afghanistan and Pakistan. That's how they open Papa John's Pizza chains, open dozens of offshore companies and become international real estate gurus. You saw what Asif Saleem Bajwa did, now watch Ghaffora

The ousting of IK by Bajra was literally a warning from the corrupt within the army that if you try to **** with our income, we will be coming after you.

Second warning was the murder of Arshad Sharif.

This is what Mafias around the world do.

 

[ziaulislam]

yeh sawaal establishment se phuch naa chaaiye- humaare pay grade say aage ka sawaal hai...., blames of establishment shouldn't be on anyone except them, no one controls em in this country

I didn't realize how big a ch**** ganja league was till I became a youthiya

Banning of food was regular action of Nawaz sharif
Ironically his vote bank would remain intact as hazara division wouldn't be affected by this ban(indus transit ban)

So personally it never affected me either but other portion of country it was a disaster

May be if he was more interested in building dams rather then motor ways we wouldn't have been having food related issues